lindaj
off to a rocking start
Member since October 2010
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Post by lindaj on Oct 31, 2010 13:21:15 GMT -5
Keep on posting folks - I think sofar preference is for a prize of rocks so free entry instead of a donation entry. (BTW if cash prize - this board doesnt take a cut so you are aware its 100% to the comp less paypal fees or whatever) I think a fixed rock type would be VERY hard to judge. Imagine the photos. Pic after pic of the same. Very tricky and doesnt allow for artistic impression when it comes to choice? Can people have a think - im am easily swayable!!! Hmm - rules and guidelines - I hate rules - but I agree I need to draw some up. Maybe (Tumbling Comp) Pre Shaped category and a Natural Category (Cabbing) - As is - one category? I will do a banner next week for this and stick it on top of the board. Pls keep ideas coming. Need to nominate judges aswell. Lots to do. Mark
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Post by rockrookie on Oct 31, 2010 16:28:37 GMT -5
in my opinion , i would say same material . judging apples to oranges is tuff . but, i'm in .. no matter what is decided . i just love competion !! --paul
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Post by gr on Oct 31, 2010 18:52:19 GMT -5
Mark, I agree with susan on her #1 point. stones should be in the hands of the judges so all aspects of the entry could be viewed. Limit the amount of stones to a predetermined amount or whatever the judges deceide upon. Possiably that would cut down on the amount of time the judges have to spend on deceiding on the the 100k rocks before them.
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Post by Original Admin on Nov 2, 2010 7:04:26 GMT -5
Tonnes of good ideas here - i think im getting a picture
1 Stone Type (I think - am I correct here? Someone said it may be boring though) No sawing Fixed Weight of Stone in competition per person Rocks Prize (How do we make the prize up then? Each person who enters sends some rock in?)
I had an idea as I realise the photo judging is hard and possibly would result in a misleading outcome. How about we decide that each tumble - you MUST do something with it - like make an ornament or something craft wise with the rocks - or at least some of the batch you tumble? This way entrants can add to creativity and that can be accounted for in judging? So aswell as the tumble (and it must be good to win) theres another angle of creativity involved in winning - this may help overcome the photo problem?
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Post by krazydiamond on Nov 2, 2010 15:06:26 GMT -5
perhaps we should go back to the other competition that Connrock participated in a while back i don't remember all the rules, but it all sounded pretty fair. maybe we could get a large amount of rough somewhere, either hand collected by a member and bought for a fair price as bulk or cruise a rock shop for a large quantity based on how many people want to compete.
i think that other contest, it cost $40 to enter and get your measure of rough. i think then, you sent your batch in for judging? i will look for those rules or maybe Connrock has a copy that we can modify to our needs.
i think it is very important to all tumble the same material. i agree, no other saws or grinders should be used, as this will be a "pure tumbling" competition, so hammers only.
i will look around for a bulk purchase of rough. i am willing to volunteer to take delivery of said rough and measure out and ship as equal as possible rough 3 pound loads. (or however much we decide to start with). i will help in whatever capacity is required, Mark.
KD
update: the rules of the aforementioned competition are sticky-ed at the top of the Competition Section of RTH. review and comment?
i found that Kingsley North will sell Mexican Crazy Lace for $3.00/pound with orders over 25 pounds....no clue as to what that would cost for shipping. anybody else out there that has a large amount of the same material for tumbling?
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Post by connrock on Nov 3, 2010 5:36:51 GMT -5
Mark, I have to agree with KD about using the same rules as the World Rock Tumbling Competition. They did all the thinking for us and as I entered in both of their competitions I found the rules to be as fair as they could possibly be. I also think that the type of rocks should all be the same and should have a difficulty factor. I don't know if you followed my thread on my progress in the competition last year but I tried to show just how difficult it was to tumble that type of rock and tried to give some of our newer people a little idea of what they might be up against with some different types of rocks. I also tried to show them that no matter how difficult some rocks can be to tumble they should not just give up on them but rather take the challenge and continue until they figure out a way to get them polished. Another point is that the people who run the WRTC in Oroville California have a pretty good system of not letting the judges know who has done any of the rocks. The rocks are received by one person who then numbers them and all the judges get to see is a number and not a name on the rocks. This makes this competition as fair as fair can be,,,,in my opinion anyway. The judging MUST be a hands on thing as photographs can be altered which can lead to false results. A hands on judging may bring up a huge problem though because the judges may live in different parts of the country. The WRTC has one person judge the top 5 and these top 5 tumbles are then judges at the rock show by all of the people who visit the show,This make this competition as fair as it gets. How would we do something like this? ? I don't think having cabbers in a rock tumbling competition is a good idea nor do I agree with you about doing a "craft" thing with the tumbled rocks. A rock tumbling competition is just that,,,,,,a rock tumbling competition. An example,,,I for one CAN NOT picture in my mind ANYTHING out of my tumbled rocks yet a friend can make animals,structures,etc,etc out of many of my rocks by simply putting a few together. I am not gifted in this manner. You also mentioned Apache Tears.There are MANY of us here who can put a class A shine on them and it would be VERY difficult if not impossible to choose one load from the many that would be entered. This is not an easy competition to run and I applaud you for trying to do this for all of us here! ;D connrock
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Post by susand24224 on Nov 3, 2010 12:15:46 GMT -5
Having participated in the competition with Tom, I share his notions that the ideas and judging were quite fair. Here are some more thoughts:
1. Choose a vendor who has a large supply of a somewhat "tricky" rock. Collect the entry fee and addresses of entrants, then give that to the vendor with a check for the mailing and rocks. I'm sure many would be willing to "play," the rocks would be relatively uniform, and they are more equipped than some of us for assembly line mailing.
2. Appoint several judges--each judge picks the top five, or ten, or whatever number works, then all of the "picks" go to a final judge.
3. The prizes might be gift certificates to the particular vendor.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Susan
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joemojave
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since October 2009
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Post by joemojave on Nov 3, 2010 12:18:39 GMT -5
I will supply rose quartz in chunks or pre broken, $1.50/lb. If it is a large amount, I can deliver it to sombody in quartzite to avoid shipping.
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desertdweller
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since August 2006
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Post by desertdweller on Feb 25, 2011 2:58:49 GMT -5
We have a large amount of several types of agates and jaspers and we can always collect more of the same if we run low. We also have some nice rhyolites but I guess those can be hard to put a shine on. I could round up Sheri, Rodney and a few other members and talk to them about a trip to collect some agate just for the competition. I think everyone would be all for it as long as the cost of the trip was paid for.
Just an idea for you to kick around, I love having a valid reason to disappear into the desert, and for bringing more rock home than we know what to do with.(As is always the case.)
A few things that are plentiful in our hood are,
the honey banded onyx red cave creek jasper 4th of July butte agate and jasper our local seam agate/bacon agate chalcedony roses by the boat loads The Burro Creek agates, (many varieties)
And, just recently Rodney, Sheri and I found a new spot that has agates and jasper in every direction for miles, everything from fortification to moss to plain red jasper. (Like we need a reason to go back out there.)
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The Dad_Ohs
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Take me to your Labradorite!!
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Oct 30, 2012 9:24:14 GMT -5
Bump.......
Whatever came out of all this???
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The Dad_Ohs
fully equipped rock polisher
Take me to your Labradorite!!
Member since September 2012
Posts: 1,860
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Oct 30, 2012 9:24:36 GMT -5
Bump.......
Whatever came out of all this???
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The Dad_Ohs
fully equipped rock polisher
Take me to your Labradorite!!
Member since September 2012
Posts: 1,860
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Oct 30, 2012 9:26:49 GMT -5
Bump.......
This is something that I, for one, would love to see done!! I'll find a way to pay for the entrance fee... if nothing else I'll get a couple pounds of something that I don't have to work with, practice on after the comp is over for next time!!
Bump......
How about it people??
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