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Post by Toad on Sept 13, 2012 5:58:14 GMT -5
So glad our short-sighted government officials saw the wisdom of supporting the Islamic uprisings...
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Post by fmelvis on Sept 13, 2012 6:23:39 GMT -5
Islam is about love...........and the right to kill anyone who disagrees.
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 13, 2012 9:06:42 GMT -5
Hah ! Why do you think our POTUS agrees with, and apologizes to them so often ?
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Post by grayfingers on Sept 13, 2012 9:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Sept 13, 2012 15:07:39 GMT -5
www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/11/us-israel-iran-netanyahu-idUSBRE88A0FO20120911Is the US Isreal's dog that jumps when they bark? RIGHT on top of THIS? "The website of Israel's Haaretz daily newspaper said Netanyahu had carried out "an unprecedented verbal attack on the U.S. government"." If you verbally assault ME, then expect me to give you money, my kids lives and my weapons... you have been drinking too much. Further, you need a reality check, and Netanyahu is getting one. I think that's the 'normal' person response... where did yours come from? WHO is the spineless ass kisser? Oh yah, Romney... who just happened to gloss over that a US Ambassador was KILLED 2 days ago. WHILE he's so far up a foreign nation's ass, he can't tell where his nose ends.
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Post by helens on Sept 13, 2012 15:20:37 GMT -5
And diplomacy hasn't changed much... the Ambassador of a nation is the same as the nation technically. Killing the Ambassador is an act of War. Just in case you didn't know that. Finding out who did it is a big deal. A slightly bigger deal than hopping to Isreal's crooked finger at their command. Apparently Romney doesn't know that? What DOES he know besides how to help himself to other people's money? And lets look at the response... this happened 2 days ago, and this is what's happening TODAY. Romney would STILL be running his trap: www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/meast/embassy-attacks-main/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnnResponse to ambassador's killing Sources tracking militant Islamist groups in eastern Libya say Tuesday night's deadly attack was most likely carried out by a pro-al Qaeda group. Obama has vowed that "justice will be done." U.S. warships, carrying guided missiles, are on their way to the coast of Libya, and unmanned drones are being sent to help search for the killers. A group of Marines called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team was deployed to Libya to help secure U.S. facilities, two U.S. officials said. About 50 Marines arrived in the country Wednesday, officials said.
U.S. political fallout The events have shifted the U.S. presidential race to a focus on foreign policy, with Republican nominee Mitt Romney repeatedly criticizing the responses by Obama and his administration. At a Virginia rally Thursday, Romney said, "As we watch the world today, sometimes it seems that we're at the mercy of events instead of shaping events, and a strong America is essential to shape events." Obama, in an interview Wednesday with CBS, took aim at Romney's sharply negative criticism that seemed to inject politics during a time of still-developing international crisis. "Gov. Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later," Obama said, adding, "It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them." Just HOW out of touch with a President's job is Romney? There are 50 US marines on the ground investigating this as we speak, US Warships are moving to Libya, and drones are being sent. Romney's reaction to an international crisis is to whine. OMG.
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Post by helens on Sept 13, 2012 15:46:35 GMT -5
Isreal is not the 51st state of the USA, unless you know something I don't. WE can insult each other, but who the HELL do they think they are to insult us? There is a point where friendship presumes too much.
Since everyone loves the 'business' analogy, if every nation were a BUSINESS, it is smart to not burn bridges. Out of the group that purportedly 'respects all religions', that respect doesn't apply to CERTAIN religions, does it? Can you say 'hypocrisy'?
Further, it is STUPID to threaten before you learn more, especially when that more could lead to dead associates and real human suffering.
Crisis resolution in life and business starts with understanding both sides of an issue, not with knee-jerk stupid blustering responses that further inflames the situation. If we have learned anything from this, it's that Romney is not fit to handle diplomacy.
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Post by Toad on Sept 13, 2012 19:38:58 GMT -5
Isreal is not the 51st state of the USA, unless you know something I don't. WE can insult each other, but who the HELL do they think they are to insult us? There is a point where friendship presumes too much. Like the friendship of taking our money and then burning our flag and killing our ambassador? I sure hate that Israel does that so often...
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Post by grayfingers on Sept 13, 2012 20:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 22:34:51 GMT -5
Bush was warned weeks ahead of the 9/11 attack and did nothing. Look it up.
The ambassador was in charge and they are saying there was 48 hours notice. There are a lot of people at an embassy and who knows, he may have been trying to prevent a lot of other people from dying. He knew that country better than anyone so he should have taken steps to prevent it but that is not much time. Doesn't make it right but we all screw up but it usually does not cost us our lives. It is a tragedy and maybe someone will learn that those people have been at war with everyone including themselves for a thousand years and we should just get the hell out and let them kill each other. It would be a lot cheaper.
Back in the day it was christians killing off races of people in the name of god so not much has changed in this world. Jim
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Post by Woodyrock on Sept 14, 2012 1:00:45 GMT -5
Had President Carter not unarmed the Marines guarding our embassy's The Embassy in Iran would NOT have been lost, nor would any other today. Muslims are pretty good at attacking the unarmed, but tend to shy away from the armed. One of the weapons President Carter took away was vomit gas............somewhat like tear gas but way more effective for crowd control. Woody
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Post by helens on Sept 14, 2012 1:36:26 GMT -5
Isreal is not the 51st state of the USA, unless you know something I don't. WE can insult each other, but who the HELL do they think they are to insult us? There is a point where friendship presumes too much. Like the friendship of taking our money and then burning our flag and killing our ambassador? I sure hate that Israel does that so often... Libya is Iran? Do you not even realize that they are 2 completely different nations? And what does Carter have to do with Obama? Obama ordered Bin Laden's 'capture or kill' and then almost immediately took out Bin Laden's replacement with a drone in Pakistan. Then #3. Obama's decapitated Al Qaeda multiple times now without even bragging about it. You must be joking that Obama's like Carter? Obama doesn't run to Isreal's beck and call after Isreal insulted us. You complained he had no backbone to stand up to other nations, and yet you whine when he does. Not only does Obama not mind ordering a KILL of terrorists, he HAS been killing them for the last 3 years, over and over. I can't think of too many Presidents that has gone after a hidden enemy with such persistence and dedication quietly... Bush sure didn't. He just went for the money shot in Iraq, while Bin Laden played. Al Qaeda will be THE happiest group on Earth if Romney's elected. They know that Romney's going to forget all about them again to go after Iran. You want to see irony? Show me an article where ISREAL supports Romney's election. Here's a nice piece from ISREAL's newspaper: www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=279340No ‘buyer’s remorse’ for voting for Obama By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ07/29/2012 22:31
When I decide who to vote for as president, I ask myself who will be best for America and for the world.
Republicans are trying to woo away Jews who voted for Barack Obama in 2008, hoping they have experienced “buyer’s remorse.” I, for one, have experienced no such remorse.
I have gotten from President Obama pretty much what I expected when I voted for him: a pragmatic, centrist liberal who has managed – with some necessary compromises – to bring us the first important healthcare legislation in recent history, appointed excellent justices to the Supreme Court, supported women’s rights, eliminated the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy, maintained the wall of separation between church and state, kept up an effective war against terrorism and generally made me proud to be an American who cast my vote for him.
Even with regard to his policy toward Israel, which has generated much of the impetus for this “buyer’s remorse” campaign, President Obama has kept his promises. Romney went to Isreal, PROMISING what he thought they wanted, sucking up and pandering like an embarassing fool. And Isreal just blew him off because they KNOW he's a liar and an idiot. Why do you think THAT is? Just what's up with THAT do you think?
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Post by helens on Sept 14, 2012 1:46:11 GMT -5
More news from Isreal? abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/israeli-president-peres-obama-support-iran/story?id=16563066#.UFLQ7o1lQfQIsraeli President Peres to Obama: ‘We support you' on Iran By Olivier Knox June 14, 2012 Here's an interesting article on how JEWS take Romney's 'support' (like... they want him to LOSE - read it, they SLAP Romney HARD): www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/30/mitt-romney-misuses-judaism-to-support-israel-and-buttress-his-own-campaign.htmlMitt Romney should stick to Mormonism. Yesterday in Jerusalem, the GOP presumptive nominee offered some thoughts on Tisha B’Av, the fast day that commemorates the destruction of the First and Second Temples, and various other calamities, in Jewish history. Tisha B’Av, he declared, “calls forth clarity and resolve,” because as in the past, today “Israel faces enemies who deny past crimes against the Jewish people and seek to commit new ones.” He then went on to talk about, you guessed it, Iran.
Sorry, but that largely misses the point. Tisha B’Av is less about steeling Jewish resolve against our enemies than fostering self-reflection about the Jewish misdeeds that allowed those enemies to prevail. The Talmud says that God allowed the Babylonians to destroy the First Temple because the Jews committed idolatry, bloodshed, and sexual sins. Similarly, the Romans are bit players in the Talmud’s intricate explanation of the chain of Jewish sins that led to the Second Temple being destroyed. Among those sins—none of which easily lends itself to a GOP stump speech—are “baseless hatred” among Jews and a concern for ritual stringency so obsessive that it trumps concern for human life.
In his Jerusalem speech, Romney went on to insist that “we cannot stand silent as those who seek to undermine Israel voice their criticisms. And we certainly should not join in that criticism.” But Tisha B’Av is all about the importance of criticizing Jewish behavior; that’s why, on the Sabbath before it, we read a portion of the Torah in which Moses rebukes the Jewish people before they enter the land of Israel. Obviously, some criticism truly is destructive and unfair. But to use Tisha B’Av to suggest that the country that most clearly wishes Israel well—the United States—should never publicly disagree with Israel’s actions isn’t just bad foreign policy. It’s bad Judaism.
It’s no surprise that Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly urged Romney to come to Israel during Tisha B’Av. Bibi has a history of using Jewish holidays to buttress his apocalyptic worldview. In his speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in March, the Israeli prime minister concluded his denunciation of Iran’s nuclear program by referencing the festival of Purim. “Some 2,500 years ago,” he said, “a Persian anti-Semite [hint, hint] tried to annihilate the Jewish people ... His plot was foiled by one courageous woman: Esther. In every generation, there are those who wish to destroy the Jewish people.”
Well, yes, but the Book of Esther also records that after Esther convinced the Persian king to save the Jews from the wicked Haman, he gave those Jews license to take revenge, after which they “smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction.” The message of Purim, in other words, is not merely that Jews need “clarity and resolve” against their enemies. It’s also that in fighting those enemies, Jews can commit abuses of their own.
And while it’s true, as Netanyahu said, that “in every generation, there are those who wish to destroy the Jewish people,” Jewish tradition urges humility about our capacity to determine who those people are. Legend has it that Haman was a descendant of Amalek, the über-bad guy whose tribe attacked the Jews when they were fleeing Egypt and whom the Jews are commanded to utterly destroy. Netanyahu has roped Amalek into the Iran debate as well. In 2009, when Jeffrey Goldberg asked a Netanyahu adviser how the prime minister feels about the Iranian threat, the adviser replied: “Think Amalek.”
The only problem with that formulation is that according to the Talmud, we can no longer identify the descendants of Amalek, because over time they were dispersed among the nations. To be sure, the Amalekites’ evil attributes—especially their tendency to prey upon the weak—endure. But some Jewish thinkers suggest that there is a little bit of Amalek in all of us, and that while we fight the evil in others, we must also fight the evil in ourselves. Indeed, Amalek himself was a descendant of Esau, Isaac’s mistreated and wayward son. And in that way, too, Jewish tradition reminds us that we are more intimately connected to those we hate and fear than we like to admit.
In Romney’s foray into Judaism, none of that humility or self-criticism appears, which isn’t surprising, since it is absent from his Americanism as well. The U.S. and Israel, he declared in Jerusalem, are “part of the great fellowship of democracies. We speak the same language of freedom and justice ... We both believe in the rule of law, knowing that in its absence, willful men may incline to oppress the weak.”
Yes and no. Israel certainly is a democracy inside the green line, one in which the rule of law does sometimes impressively protect the weak. But in the West Bank, the strong and the weak live under a different law. Jews enjoy due process; Palestinians are tried by military courts. Between 2005 and 2010, according to the Israeli human-rights group B’Tselem, 835 Palestinian minors were arrested in the West Bank on charges of stone throwing. One was acquitted.
Does that bother Romney? Evidently not. In the spirit of his backer, Sheldon Adelson, who has called the Palestinians an “invented people,” Romney didn’t utter the word “Palestinian” in his Jerusalem speech. He talked about Hamas and terrorism and “the enemies of civilization,” but he never named the human beings who share the country and the city upon which he lavished praise.
What a strange twist of fate. Seventy-five years ago, some of the most powerful men in the world denied Jewish humanity. Today some of the most powerful men in the world deny Palestinian humanity because they think it will win them Jewish votes. Another reason for sadness and self-reflection on this Tisha B’Av.
Peter Beinart is editor of Open Zion and author of The Crisis of Zionism. WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!!! Romney is a turd and everyone in the whole world knows it, except you guys.
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Post by sandsman1 on Sept 14, 2012 16:23:08 GMT -5
yea Romney is the turd floating in the punch bowl and obummer is the one hiding at the bottom that sunk -- I'm not a big fan of either one but ill take the one that seems like an American over the one that i know is not -- its just one of those sh-t in one hand and wish in the other then clap real hard deals -- ya just hope most of it don't stick -- we have a better chance without obummer and his magic law pen -- he sees a law he don't like he writes himself a new one and screw the constitution and anybody/anything else that don't like it, well tough titty I'm the boss, but that's not the way America works no matter how much he wants it to be that way -- obummer has been on my sh-t list after i sat and heard one of his first speech's -- even more so when i heard him say ( I will fundamentally change America) then i really said this guy is trouble for America -- that's right about the time i started gettin knots in my stomach every-time i seen his face and heard his voice and since that time it has been getting worse every-time he opens his mouth -- everything about the guy is phony he cant even prove who he is with all the lies he has floated around - he has used multiple SS numbers and names all his records are sealed -- only a person with allot of lies has to seal his records because if that info got out his goose would be cooked -- an honest person with nothing to hide has no reason to seal his or her records -- right? that alone should be enough to stop anyone from voting for him ever again -- but for some reason and we know what that is (free stuff) keeps people coming back and voting for him -- enjoy your Friday guys
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Post by Fossilman on Sept 15, 2012 11:07:58 GMT -5
All in all we need to make a huge glass parking lot overseas as we did Japan during the lather of WWII!!!!!!!I don't care what people have to say about that comment,its the truth!!!!
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Post by helens on Sept 15, 2012 14:40:43 GMT -5
-- an honest person with nothing to hide has no reason to seal his or her records -- right? that alone should be enough to stop anyone from voting for him ever again Interesting. Every US President has released all their tax returns for however long back people want to look at them. All tax records are a requirement for every person being considered for Vice President or any Cabinet job, the Secret Service, or even the FBI. Yet Romney refuses to release more than 2 years of his tax returns, despite CONGRESS accusing him of paying 0 taxes. Obama has released all records already that are required for any standard Federal job, Romney has not. Therefore you can't vote for Romney, by your own statement?
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 15, 2012 21:27:56 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Sept 15, 2012 22:12:47 GMT -5
Don, do you or do you not respect other people's religions?
If you do, then you don't make fun of them. If you do not, then we should extend that disrespect to ALL those who do not share our religion. One or the other. Which is it?
So if you are Christian, you should hate Mormons if you hate Muslims no? Or DO you respect other religions? In which case, violating their beliefs in mockery should be condemned. No?
A US Ambassador and 3 innocent people died because these people violated another groups religion. Should the blame lay at the door of those who caused it or those who reacted to the cause? Disrespect and misunderstanding of other people's cultures and beliefs can lead to violence. If you don't believe it, try walking into a DC bar right after the Cowboys beat the Redskins, wearing a Cowboys jersey and making fun of Redskins and see what happens. When you get out of the hospital, you might understand better:). Right after the Redskins beat the Miami Dolphins in the Superbowl (yah, long time ago), hanging out the window of a bar in DC, we watched the crowd flip over a poor car trying to drive through with a Miami tag... and ROLL it down the street with the occupants inside. The cops couldn't get to the car for at least 1/2 an hour...
As for changing the subject, the subject has never changed for me... don't vote for the lying crook Romney. Have I ever talked about anything else re: politics? O.o
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 15, 2012 22:56:00 GMT -5
Helen, the American people as a whole, didn't disrespect the Muslim religion. It was a very small group who produced that film. Obama apologized for we, the people. He condemned us as a whole, not just the assholes who produced that stupid film. In other words, He blames and condemns all of us as a nation. Something that he's very good at doing. And you wonder why I will never vote for, or respect him ? Our apologizer in chief.
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 16, 2012 0:47:50 GMT -5
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