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Post by grayfingers on May 29, 2013 13:33:11 GMT -5
;D That's one of my favorites!! Well played! *Edit* "Embedding disabled by request" Please click link.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 13:56:18 GMT -5
I am told, the first recipe is for a highly nutritious meal replacement bar.
It's called Soylent Green.
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 14:09:29 GMT -5
Dang Helen.Scott really set you straight.It's OK to admit to defeat,and being wrong. Elaphantitis manatowis indieosis I get it! This is the pix I get every time you agree I'm right:).
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2013 14:38:15 GMT -5
Yes dear Helen.An illustrative reminder..........of how right you can be.
Am impressed and totally intimidated with the debate.Lots of experience betwixt the two of you.Working off anxieties at great caloric expenditures. Bringing in all resources to chisel your points into each other's brains.If i am going to post a fact or opinion around here it will be true or with strong belief. Amazing
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 14:40:58 GMT -5
It's OK Jim. She sees government as a far more credible source of information than even the papers she herself quotes. What? No, I told you that we KNOW someone who got bit by a brown recluse, I have seen them, and lots of people get bit here by them. The gov't sources are to debunk your California source that FLORIDA doesn't have brown recluse, nevermind that you can ask any Central Floridian who lives here if we do, and every last one of them would say yes, and know people who got bit by one. You are so funny:)!!
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 14:42:07 GMT -5
Yes dear Helen.An illustrative reminder..........of how right you can be. Am impressed and totally intimidated with the debate.Lots of experience betwixt the two of you.Working off anxieties at great caloric expenditures. Bringing in all resources to chisel your points into each other's brains.If i am going to post a fact or opinion around here it will be true or with strong belief. Amazing Your sarcasm doesn't become you James... WE had fun, even if no one reading it did:P.
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2013 14:56:41 GMT -5
I saw this turtle hanging on native peoples walls.In their kitchen.They put a stick thru their front legs and tied a string and it hung on a pin in the wall. I was 4 hours upstream from Iquitos Peru.The practice disturbed me.Either kill it or let be in comfort "Populations of The Yellow Foot Tortoise, Geochelone denticulata are in a state of rapid decline in Peru. The meat of the motelo, as it is called by many Peruvians, is a prized delicacy. Motelo soup and dishes are frequently offered in restaurants, even in upscale restaurants in tourist centers. Markets in Belen and Yurimaguas frequently boast tables piled high with butchered denticulata and small mountains of their eggs, which, of course are coveted for their perceived aphoristic effects. Without a doubt populations must be teetering on the verge of a collapse, decades of intense pressure have taken their toll. INRENA, with increasing regularity confiscates live tortoises from the markets themselves and from campesinos transporting them by riverboats to Iquitos for the market or for their own consumption. However, funding as is the case nearly everywhere in the world is tight, and INRENA’s holding facilities were over loaded. INRENA approached us to see if we could help provide housing for some of these animals. We have done so in the past with confiscated shipments of Poison Frogs and other amphibians, and we agreed to do so here with the tortoises. In early June, 2009 we took possession of a herd of 50 adult denticulata following a veterinary check and an INRENA supervision of our recently constructed tortoise habitat on the outskirts of Iquitos. We will continue to work with INRENA in situations like these making available space and resources when at all possible to house animals such as the Motelo, offering them at the very least a better future than in a soup bowl. Ongoing expenses incurred with care, feeding and housing of these tortoises is derived from proceeds from the sales of our frogs and vivaria and other products. Continued patronage to Understory will ensure that efforts like these may continue."
Another sick practice is cutting a tiny slice between the head and neck of a gator(a razor blade does it)cutting the spine.The gator can still breathe and blink his eyes.People will leave him mostly submerged(cool) until time to clean him.
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2013 15:06:02 GMT -5
I was not being sarcastic-I am impressed and intimidated.I could not hang w/either of you on my best day.You guys are blessed w/brilliance.I admire you guys,but also laughing to rib breakage at the banterish bombardment.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
Jim, the range of the yellow foot tortoise is HUUUUUGE, and they taste good. People will eat them, but I fail to see how anyone can claim the species is declining. There is simply no way to survey the huge area in which they are found.
Cruelty sucks. We agree on this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 15:25:47 GMT -5
I tried to find a range map for yellow foots. Curiously, I could not find one. arkive.org: places them here:: South American yellow-footed tortoise range
The South American yellow-footed tortoise ranges from south-eastern Venezuela, through Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana to Brazil. It is found throughout the Amazon basin, to eastern Colombia and Ecuador, north-eastern Peru and north-eastern Bolivia. It is also found on the islands of Trinidad and Tobago
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 15:27:19 GMT -5
ohh....
and helen?
I won't dance on her grave as she tried to do on mine. I'll just leave it at:
Game/Set/Match
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 15:29:59 GMT -5
I agree that cruelty sucks... You can judge a man's true character by the way he treats his fellow animals
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 15:30:22 GMT -5
ohh.... and helen? I won't dance on her grave as she tried to do on mine. I'll just leave it at: Game/Set/Match What grave, you were still at it! But Scott, you know, when people argue it means they like each other right:)? We all must LUUUVV each other here!! LOL!
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Post by Sabre52 on May 29, 2013 16:34:12 GMT -5
Man, I know ethnic groups like their wild game foods but some of their practices really irk me. My wife and I love Desert Tortoises. I used to have one I got when they were still legal and I was like ten years old. He was grown when I got him and I had that guy for over forty years.
One day when I was investigating a site where folks liked to illegally dump pesticide containers, I found a whole heap of Desert Tortoise feet. Talked to some Mexicans I knew and they told me some of the "Indio" workers from extreme southern Mexico and some of the desert areas of Mexico, like to eat tortoises of any type. Illegal as all get out but then the guys collecting desert tortoises and eating them were illegals anyway so what did they care. Most the jacklighters and poachers up at our Mariposa place were illegals too. Just another little gift from our friends south of the border....Mel
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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2013 16:35:12 GMT -5
The Amazon jungle is deceptive in that huge populations of animals operate on a small percentage of the area during high water.Jaguars,tapirs etc are hunted heavily on obviously advantaged locations.Ha,there is a huge supply of land left that is not involved in flooding for that turtle's habitat.Even bigger than i expected seeing where you listed.
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