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Post by hornseeker on Oct 21, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -5
Well, I am interested in picking up my first dslr... I am a pretty avid amateur photographer, mostly just love to document my trips outdoors, but love taking pics of about anything really... At some point, I wouldn't mind producing some prints and custom framing them to make a little extra dough...
Anyhow... I am not biased one way or another on canon vs Nikon, other than it seems some of my friends mainly have canon.
I am also not looking to spend a lot. I have been thinking about buying a used body, like a 40d or a 60d... Then picking up a "nice" lens for starters... Like something in the 300-500$ range... Something that will be a good walk around lens... Something like an 18-70 or some such...
Any avid photographers here that would like to chime in??
Good Morning!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 7:54:49 GMT -5
Perhaps I've intruded on a conversation that wasn't meant for my suggestion. Therefore my comment was removed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 10:34:23 GMT -5
Because you described yourself as "avid" and "love.." x2 Anything in the $500 range will have a great camera and marginal glass. You will love it for awhile, then after some time, you will learn the reasons I say this. Soon, you will save another $500-$700 and then go buy your dream lens. It is then when you will begin to have a killer rig. Until you upgrade the lens you will not have the color saturation and contrast inherent in the types of images that sell as prints. My goal is to encourage you. Last year, Peter Lik sold a single print for $1,000,000. Maybe you can too.
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Post by hornseeker on Oct 21, 2014 11:07:38 GMT -5
So Gunner... am I at least on the right track with a 40/60d? I would LOVE to get a great lense.. but ughh... I have a lot of things on my list right now. I do love photography though... so we shall see. One fun lens I'll have to get is the little 50mm 1.8 canon sells for $99.... tough with the fixed length... but is capable of some nice shots!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 11:31:13 GMT -5
I am a Canon man. 60D is what you want. It is approaching a professional grade body. But it's $500 just for the body, no lens included. You budget is spent and you can't even take a picture. The 60D may come with medium grade lenses too. Do your research and be certain what is exactly in that bundle you are looking at.
I have the 50mm f1.2 and it is an amazing lens. Never tried the f1.8. My gut says it's not good enough for selling prints.
I have noticed that in the print sales world, the photographers are all pretty equal when it comes to abilities, art and equipment. What setys guys like Peter Lik apart is their printing/mounting techniques, and their well set up galleries and well trained sales staff.
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Post by hornseeker on Oct 21, 2014 12:34:59 GMT -5
Hey Gunner, I was strictly talking lens money on the 3-500 number there... and I think I would probably go a little further than that... like maybe 6-8 hundred... I'd like to get at least two lenses...something like a 18-55ish and then something like 70-200... but I know the glass will be marginal still. What I will do...is start a little lens savings account... and try and pic up the good stuff in a year or so.
So... I have an acquiantence that has a VERY well kept 60d... I was asking her about it and she said "you should just buy mine so I can get a new one"... I told her to come up with a number. She then told me... you do the research and tell me...
So... I am looking at ebay and CL... and I see them from $375 to $700... I dont want to cheat her out of anything... what do you think is fair... but still a real good deal for me? She just may give me a break on it without any hurt feelings, because frankly, Im about ready to drop the $$ on a well kept 40d because it will save me a couple hundred dollars...
Thanks for the discussion and pointers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:29:07 GMT -5
40D has a smaller chip, this magnifies the length of the lenses. 50mm becomes 70mm, 200mm becomes 280.
Yeah, spend all the dough you can on the lenses. You will not be unhappy. FYI, the pros all use "prime" lenses. That is fixed focal length lenses. no to very few zooms for the pros. Sounds like you are on track.
New the 60D is $520 online. $350 seems spot on for a well kept used one.
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Post by hornseeker on Oct 21, 2014 14:40:34 GMT -5
Stone Whisperer... I opened your link and could not find your gear list... then got to chatting with Gunner on the issue. No offense was meant... I was just opening this thread to ask you about the specifics of your link, so I could see what you were trying to point out to me.
If I can get it for $350, I'll jump on it. I think it would be a great camera. I probably would have to pic up the cheap azz kit lens to have something to shoot right away, along with the "nifty fifty" (the hundred dollar prime 50).... but I really want a quality zoom that goes from a little bit wide out to 55-70 or so... I was reading about a Tamron (Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 Lens) that is really supposed to be a high quality lens for a reasonable price ($500)... 28 isn't very wide... but... its a start.
The way I understand it, is that the 40 and 60 have the same sensors, they are both crop cameras... Is that not true?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:31:37 GMT -5
yes, you are correct. I misunderstood a page I was reading. It's 15.1 megaP and mistakenly thought it a full size chip.
28 is not wide at all on a "crop chip" it's a normal length 45mm equivalent.
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Post by hornseeker on Oct 23, 2014 10:58:07 GMT -5
Hey Gunner, I have a 60d in hand (borrowed from a friend for a few days)... taking amazing shots already with its 18-200 lens... nice lens. not the fastest, but the images seem great. I am not sure I am ready for such a hulking piece of camera equipment yet... have to make that decision... the T series is a little lighter, similar size... then there is the SL-1...which is a miniaturized version that supposedly captures amazing images... and is much lighter and smaller...
Anyhow, just chattin about cameras,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 18:50:27 GMT -5
Long time no see, Sensors have really changed since we last spoke. The largest sensor today isn't on a camera at all but a smart phone as offered by AT&T this smart phone's sensor is 41mpx gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/nokia-lumia-1020-with-41-megapixel-camera-launched-in-india-423878But searching around the next or smallest size would be around 24mpx on a Canon power shot or 21mpx Sony cameras. Nikons is 14mpx. The great thing about all of these cameras is they have an adapter which allows one to use extra lenses. I would opt for the Canon camera has a basic kit now out with 2 lenses for only 759.95 The down side to this.. is although these cameras cast roughly $499.00 for a basic or short range lens, the extras lenese can cost in access of 1,000 or more. So the $759.95 canon package would be a better deal with 2 lenses included.
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Post by woodman on Apr 17, 2018 21:24:01 GMT -5
Hey Gunner, I was strictly talking lens money on the 3-500 number there... and I think I would probably go a little further than that... like maybe 6-8 hundred... I'd like to get at least two lenses...something like a 18-55ish and then something like 70-200... but I know the glass will be marginal still. What I will do...is start a little lens savings account... and try and pic up the good stuff in a year or so. So... I have an acquiantence that has a VERY well kept 60d... I was asking her about it and she said "you should just buy mine so I can get a new one"... I told her to come up with a number. She then told me... you do the research and tell me... So... I am looking at ebay and CL... and I see them from $375 to $700... I dont want to cheat her out of anything... what do you think is fair... but still a real good deal for me? She just may give me a break on it without any hurt feelings, because frankly, Im about ready to drop the $$ on a well kept 40d because it will save me a couple hundred dollars... Thanks for the discussion and pointers. One must take into account of how photos a camera has taken in considering the value.
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