quartz
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Post by quartz on Nov 15, 2014 22:46:43 GMT -5
Son is working at one of the sunstone mines north of Plush, OR. Four of them took the day off and went down to the earthquake epicenter area in Nevada, about 60 miles south of the mines. He said while there, the ground quivered constantly, and gave frequent little shakes. He compared the quiver to a cat sitting on your lap and purring. He said the frequency and intensity of the quakes increases every day. Sure wonder what will happen there.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 16, 2014 1:51:11 GMT -5
Well hopefully it will keep with the nice slow gradual movement till everything settles down, better than one big pop.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 16, 2014 5:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Nov 16, 2014 8:26:02 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. Mother nature at it again.
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Post by snowmom on Nov 17, 2014 7:36:22 GMT -5
I can't imagine feeling the earth quivering under my feet and STAYING THERE!!!! yikes!
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 17, 2014 7:49:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:00:55 GMT -5
fracking has been active in Los Angeles for over a decade. None of these phenomona exist here.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 18, 2014 12:28:39 GMT -5
fracking has been active in Los Angeles for over a decade. None of these phenomona exist here. I am surprised. I know it is well documented and have seen damage fracking can cause accidental or intentional. From underground spring fed lakes drying up and methane gas in the water. Coming to a city or town near you soon. I do know Oklahoma has had this problem. it does drive the economy here. I think they may just need some better controls on where they frack.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:34:56 GMT -5
the few waters we have in Cali almost all have methane bubbling thru them constantly. This seems to be a non problem. Can you point me to the info on the spring fed lake drying up? I did some googling. This seems more of the crisis mentality leaking into society from those that govern. That coupled with what is called confirmation bias makes for a bad interpretation of the facts. Fracking is not the cause of water shortage in Texas. Lack of rain is.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 18, 2014 12:40:00 GMT -5
I can see what I can pull up on it. The lake is called Murial lake in northern AB. Right next to the suncor, syncrude, esso and so on in Cold Lake AB. Let me get back to you when i can find some info. I used to fish and swim in this lake when I was a kid. Now the lake front is almost mile away from the beach. They are not mentioning it may be a cause of fracking...in town that is the talk if you lived there for any amount of time when they had started to try fracking for the first time. Cant confirm that one for you. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/disappearing-muriel-lake-worrying-nearby-residents-1.2659695
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 12:54:08 GMT -5
I beg to differ with you on the cause of the quakes. According to this link. the quakes are several miles deep. The deepest hole I ever drilled around Drum was 2200 meters or 6500 ft for our american friends that don't know metric. Can't see how fracing could cause a quake above the quake zone. Don't see any reports about Drumheller. earthquaketrack.com/r/alberta-canada/recentAs for the lady that is try to sue the gov. I think she just money grabbing. There are hundreds of old abandon coal mines around Rosebud. Never know what the old timers were using below ground. Drilling through the coal seams was a tough go. They seem to swell when hit with water and drill mud. They planted our drill pipe a few times.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 18, 2014 12:58:46 GMT -5
We had a big shaker to the west of rocky this spring before nordegg. They never said the real cause, taking a guess due to all the gas plants in the area. I'm not against it, Just not positive all the correct saftey measures are being put into place first. Were talking Big oil companys, and safety of the public does not always come first.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 13:03:27 GMT -5
I don't think to many people know how a frac really works. The whole well bore is not frac'ed. the most I have ever seen is 17. And that was spread out in 3000 ft of well bore. The frac water only fractures out about 100ft on average. So unless they drill and frac every 100 ft. there is no way it could deform the whole formation enough to cause a quake. Remember the reason they frac is because the formation is tight and to solid for conventional extraction.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 13:08:42 GMT -5
We had a big shaker to the west of rocky this spring before nordegg. They never said the real cause, taking a guess due to all the gas plants in the area. I'm not against it, Just not positive all the correct saftey measures are being put into place first. Were talking Big oil companys, and safety of the public does not always come first. Did anyone ever stop and think about how the rocky mountains were formed? Ever think that the plates are still moving? Nordegg is in the foot hills of the rockies. But I guess its just to easy to blame fracing. Hell I stubbed my toe this morniny. I guess I will blame fracing or Bush.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 13:13:59 GMT -5
I can see what I can pull up on it. The lake is called Murial lake in northern AB. Right next to the suncor, syncrude, esso and so on in Cold Lake AB. Let me get back to you when i can find some info. I used to fish and swim in this lake when I was a kid. Now the lake front is almost mile away from the beach. They are not mentioning it may be a cause of fracking...in town that is the talk if you lived there for any amount of time when they had started to try fracking for the first time. Cant confirm that one for you. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/disappearing-muriel-lake-worrying-nearby-residents-1.2659695The rumors around the patch are that an underground river was breached. Kinda like pulling the plug in the bathtub. The water is not gone. Its just going somewhere else. I also fished that lake when I was a kid. To bad it was a beautiful lake. It wasn't due to fracing as they don't have to frac the oilsands. Very loose formation. All sand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 13:41:20 GMT -5
Denver (eastern base of the rockies) has earthquakes. Why not farther north? earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/colorado/history.phpBTW, geology isn't permanent. We have lots of "dry seas" that gave us all kinds of cool rocks and fossils. If seas can dry up naturally**, why not a little lake? ** by naturally I mean without man made causes.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 18, 2014 13:48:18 GMT -5
It wouldnt be from the frack explosion or hydraulic pumping itself into the shale formation, it would be the recovered waste water that is being pumped back into the empty underground holding caverns. You can only fill it up so much, and you cant squeeze water, it'll force itself into any small crack and can cause these problems from leeching. True?
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 18, 2014 13:55:57 GMT -5
We had a big shaker to the west of rocky this spring before nordegg. They never said the real cause, taking a guess due to all the gas plants in the area. I'm not against it, Just not positive all the correct saftey measures are being put into place first. Were talking Big oil companys, and safety of the public does not always come first. Did anyone ever stop and think about how the rocky mountains were formed? Ever think that the plates are still moving? Nordegg is in the foot hills of the rockies. But I guess its just to easy to blame fracing. Hell I stubbed my toe this morniny. I guess I will blame fracing or Bush. I get it. But the quake or shake was on a plate that you should of felt up the whole entire provinces border. Not just here. This is Good, You guys Rock!
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 14:10:09 GMT -5
It wouldnt be from the frack explosion or hydraulic pumping itself into the shale formation, it would be the recovered waste water that is being pumped back into the empty underground holding caverns. You can only fill it up so much, and you cant squeeze water, it'll force itself into any small crack and can cause these problems from leeching. True? Valid argument. But they a to few and far between to do it I think. But I could be wrong. This link is for Travita liquid waste sites. www.tervita.com/locations
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 18, 2014 14:13:15 GMT -5
Oh man can you just imagin living in this town when this happened. I don't think anyone can top this guys fishing trip story.
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