bushmanbilly
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 10:47:04 GMT -5
owyhee if you don't want to use oil then quit using it. Park your car and then... No electricity, most "alternative" power sources require more petroleum and/or coal than just burning it. No municipal water, them pumps are electric. Oh yeah, the sewage treatment has pumps too. Food might be a problem, but then you could hunt. No firearms of course, lots of oil there, but you can make bows and arrows and spears and clubs and stuff. And then there's shelter... Are you good at lashing and building wigwams with stone tools. Once you do all that it won't be hypocritical to whine about it, but since the internet involves electricity we won't have to hear it, heh heh. You forgot computers. Yep the do as I say not as I do people are at it again. All you anti's enjoy living a long Life? Before the industrial revolution, most people over 40 would be dead from old age by now. Careful what you wish for!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 10:52:39 GMT -5
So you have no vision of a world without oil as energy producer. I glad that these folks were not as narrow minded. Tesla Edison Bell The Wright Brothers Babbage Leonardo DaVinci Archimedes I Think you would have been the first one in line to say these guys need to go. In your mind with no vision you cannot see a world other that what is here in front of you..........sad. Hmmm, what did these people use to help make their inventions.. Fossil fuel. Btw the worlds largest solar plant has just applied to use more natural gas to keep up with demand that they promised and can't deliver. Go fig!! www.biggreenradicals.com/solar-plant-we-need-more-natural-gas/www.arizonadailyindependent.com/2014/08/22/ivanpah-solar-plant-wants-to-burn-more-natural-gas/The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar facility in California, which occupies five square miles, is the world’s largest solar power plant—and Big Green is a fan. But here’s a little secret: This much-touted complex, which opened earlier this year, is only operating at 50% of its expected capacity. And here’s another: Ivanpah requires natural gas—the scourge of Big Green groups like the Sierra Club and NRDC—in order to operate. The plant works by using solar power to heat water into steam. But since the sun doesn’t always shine, Ivanpah uses natural gas to keep the water hot.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 10:59:10 GMT -5
All them tarballs up there and the wizards still had to import forty-three percent of the oil they used last year. You deleted your post Rich, why? I was just talking about heavy oil not all crude combined. Did you stand and wave a black flag after you watched the be-headings Rich? Do you wear a cha caveira tee shirt. Mourn when Hugo died?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 11:02:26 GMT -5
If you could read you would see that I don't want to use oil. We have made no progress in getting away from it,your government is killing for oil not me. That includes both parties and lobbyist. It is not my problem as I will not be leaving any kids behind. Saw it coming............... Find and dandy for people who live in warm climates. Come up to Canada. Would not be long at -40 and your would be worshiping your fossil fuel furness.
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 24, 2014 11:32:25 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt the different types of oil-sweet to heavy, depending on what countries it comes out of play a role in how its used for production? I understand sweet crude is easier to refine for gasoline and the heavy tarballs we produce is more for the manufacturing side of things?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 11:58:28 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt the different types of oil-sweet to heavy, depending on what countries it comes out of play a role in how its used for production? I understand sweet crude is easier to refine for gasoline and the heavy tarballs we produce is more for the manufacturing side of things? Yes you are right. Wrong about the counties though. The difference in the oil from light to heavy has alot to do with the natural condensate content. Light is better for making gas. Heavy makes a better diesel. Also the plastics that are used in I-phones and computers that the greens spread their propaganda with are made from heavy crude or the tar balls as the greens say. Heavy has a higher BTU value than light. The only fossil fuel that has more is coal. Nat gas has even less The natural gas co-gens systems are viable until the price goes up, then I bet they go back to coal due to the cheapness and abundance of it. www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 24, 2014 12:15:53 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong. Doesnt the different types of oil-sweet to heavy, depending on what countries it comes out of play a role in how its used for production? I understand sweet crude is easier to refine for gasoline and the heavy tarballs we produce is more for the manufacturing side of things? Yes you are right. Wrong about the counties though. The difference in the oil from light to heavy has alot to do with the natural condensate content. Light is better for making gas. Heavy makes a better diesel. Also the plastics that are used in I-phones and computers that the greens spread their propaganda with are made from heavy crude or the tar balls as the greens say. Heavy has a higher BTU value than light. The only fossil fuel that has more is coal. Nat gas has even less The natural gas co-gens systems are viable until the price goes up, then I bet they go back to coal due to the cheapness and abundance of it. www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdfI had questioned why Diesel is so overpriced when much of it is manufactured here. I see half is imported. Thanks.
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Post by parfive on Nov 24, 2014 12:41:34 GMT -5
Yup, I teed off on (all) Qanada v Venezuela, then I saw you only compared KXL to Ven. Left unchanged . . . you wizards still had to import forty-three percent of the oil you used last year. Laugh of the day, courtesy of Harpo’s National Energy Board: Important Notification: From April 2013 onwards, the information about crude oil imports (Light and Heavy) for Atlantic, Ontario and Quebec has been suppressed to meet confidentiality data requirements of Statistics Canada.
That puppy's worth two chuckles.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 13:51:56 GMT -5
Yes you are right. Wrong about the counties though. The difference in the oil from light to heavy has alot to do with the natural condensate content. Light is better for making gas. Heavy makes a better diesel. Also the plastics that are used in I-phones and computers that the greens spread their propaganda with are made from heavy crude or the tar balls as the greens say. Heavy has a higher BTU value than light. The only fossil fuel that has more is coal. Nat gas has even less The natural gas co-gens systems are viable until the price goes up, then I bet they go back to coal due to the cheapness and abundance of it. www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdfI had questioned why Diesel is so overpriced when much of it is manufactured here. I see half is imported. Thanks. Demand, more trucks moving goods on the roads. Expect it to go up to. I Canada anyway. Trains are to busy moving oil that pays better than freight. Like I said before every action has a reaction. Sometimes good and sometimes not so much. Delay the pipelines and the truck traffic increases. What pollutes more? All Aboard: Oil-by-rail transloading facilities pop up across Western Canadaht.ly/EN6Ay
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 14:03:39 GMT -5
Yup, I teed off on (all) Qanada v Venezuela, then I saw you only compared KXL to Ven. Left unchanged . . . you wizards still had to import forty-three percent of the oil you used last year. Laugh of the day, courtesy of Harpo’s National Energy Board: Important Notification: From April 2013 onwards, the information about crude oil imports (Light and Heavy) for Atlantic, Ontario and Quebec has been suppressed to meet confidentiality data requirements of Statistics Canada.
That puppy's worth two chuckles. Nope rich you had another post up last night with charts and stats on it. Was going to reply last night but was to tired to. Rich, i will explain why we import so much. Because we have green enviromental groups up that are holding up the west to east pipeline reversal. With friveless law suits funded by major USA and Saudi billionaires. That would eliminate the need for middle east oil. But their protesters are finally getting whats good for them. Come on up Rich, your friends need backup. Drilling starts and protests, arrests continue in British Columbia bcove.me/up5q5zno
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 14:10:51 GMT -5
Just for you Rich. Drill Baby Drill
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Post by spiritstone on Nov 24, 2014 14:23:16 GMT -5
You raise a good point. We cant seem to export for refining until more violent countries are stopped from lowering the price of oil. Cheaper to buy from extremists groups and are they safer to fund billions to? I dont think so.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 24, 2014 15:20:01 GMT -5
Its not the violent countries that need to be stopped. Its the foreign funded green groups that need to put in their place. We really don't need the Keystone. The Trans Mt. twinning, NGW and the line nine reversal would be enough. It would put our oil in a different price category. We would no longer be on the WTI exchange. The Brent exchange pays better. Win, win for Canada and these billionaires know it. Soon our Gov. will have revoked the charity status from these groups and all this protest bullshit will stop due to lack of funds. Unless the Rockefeller, Tides,Tom Styier and the rest don't mind paying taxes on their protest money. Nail'em Mr. Harper, pin their asses to the wall. Just like what happened to Green Peace.
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Post by parfive on Nov 24, 2014 18:17:04 GMT -5
Nope rich you had another post up last night with charts and stats on it. WTF do you think I just said? Yup, I teed off on (all) Qanada v Venezuela, then I saw you only compared KXL to Ven. Chart showed that US imports four times as much oil from Qanada as it does from Venezuela.
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Post by parfive on Nov 24, 2014 18:20:56 GMT -5
It would put our oil in a different price category. Told you that on day one, years ago, and you denied it. Or played dumb. Or both. All spelled out in f’ing black and white in TransQanada’s pipeline application, and you denied it. Or played dumb. Or both. Best laugh, though, was you calling TransQanada’s predicted price increase fabricated bullshit…from one sided green…sheeple
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Post by bhiatt on Nov 24, 2014 18:47:50 GMT -5
speaking of earthquakes. I have an internet guitar buddy that lives in Japan. Its rockn and rollin over there pretty bad. Pretty much the whole island of Japan too. That dang Fukushima nuclear plant is still leaking and not just a little either. Its estimated to be leaking radiation into the environment for the next 20 years minimum. Radiation going into the ground water. They tried freezing the ground around to stop that. Leaking into the ocean. That sucks bigtime.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 24, 2014 23:03:38 GMT -5
So you have no vision of a world without oil as energy producer. I glad that these folks were not as narrow minded. Tesla Edison Bell The Wright Brothers Babbage Leonardo DaVinci Archimedes I Think you would have been the first one in line to say these guys need to go. In your mind with no vision you cannot see a world other that what is here in front of you..........sad. Not at all, my response was specifically to your desire to have nothing to do with oil, if you really feel that way then walk your talk. I personally do a lot to minimize my energy use. I certainly am not stupid enough to fall for the green consumer crap. They want me to buy a Prius, when in fact the environmental impact of manufacturing the Prius was actually more than a large SUV. Driving my 1979 till it dropped then getting my 1991 that I plan to do the same with is much more green than throwing away what I have and buying more "green" crap Personally I am not a visionary, I have always been the nuts and bolts man who refines anothers vision into something that actually works. Every person on your list of "visionaries", with the possible exception of Archimedes and DaVinci, were actually makers who, for the most part, "invented" by using the concepts of their forebears and used the advanced technology of their day to make possible what had been impossible for the person who had originally dreamed up the idea. The reality is right now we have been sold a bill of goods when it comes to energy, instead of trying to find a way to produce self sustaining energy we are mass producing horribly flawed trash and pawning it off on the ignorant as viable alternatives. Hydroelectric still stands alone as the only thing out there that can produce enough energy to replicate itself, other than coal and petrofuels. Develop a technology that works, THEN sell it.
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Post by MrP on Nov 25, 2014 5:26:19 GMT -5
So you have no vision of a world without oil as energy producer. I glad that these folks were not as narrow minded. Tesla Edison Bell The Wright Brothers Babbage Leonardo DaVinci Archimedes I Think you would have been the first one in line to say these guys need to go. In your mind with no vision you cannot see a world other that what is here in front of you..........sad. Not at all, my response was specifically to your desire to have nothing to do with oil, if you really feel that way then walk your talk. I personally do a lot to minimize my energy use. I certainly am not stupid enough to fall for the green consumer crap. They want me to buy a Prius, when in fact the environmental impact of manufacturing the Prius was actually more than a large SUV. Driving my 1979 till it dropped then getting my 1991 that I plan to do the same with is much more green than throwing away what I have and buying more "green" crap Personally I am not a visionary, I have always been the nuts and bolts man who refines anothers vision into something that actually works. Every person on your list of "visionaries", with the possible exception of Archimedes and DaVinci, were actually makers who, for the most part, "invented" by using the concepts of their forebears and used the advanced technology of their day to make possible what had been impossible for the person who had originally dreamed up the idea. The reality is right now we have been sold a bill of goods when it comes to energy, instead of trying to find a way to produce self sustaining energy we are mass producing horribly flawed trash and pawning it off on the ignorant as viable alternatives. Hydroelectric still stands alone as the only thing out there that can produce enough energy to replicate itself, other than coal and petrofuels. Develop a technology that works, THEN sell it. Well said........................MrP
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Post by owyhee on Nov 25, 2014 9:41:47 GMT -5
No argument, your no visionary. I did not say that I did not use oil. I just think there is a better way. With you being the "King" here if you make a post some dumb ass will back it up. I guess this is your 15 minutes. Enjoy it, your avatar says it all. Say CHEESE!
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Post by MrP on Nov 25, 2014 11:07:22 GMT -5
No argument, your no visionary. I did not say that I did not use oil. I just think there is a better way. With you being the "King" here if you make a post some dumb ass will back it up. I guess this is your 15 minutes. Enjoy it, your avatar says it all. Say CHEESE! Thank you for calling me a Dumb Ass. I work and have worked in the electrical industry many years. I have tracked the output of wind generators and solar systems for many years. I am not impressed with the production numbers. I do think it would be great if you and those who think like you would disconnect from the grid, then you could find out how the 'green' systems really worked...............MrP
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