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Post by deb193redux on Mar 16, 2017 22:23:06 GMT -5
offer some can't pass deals and eat small losses until you get about 100 pieces of good feedback. cost of starting up. lots of business plan for initial loss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 16:48:30 GMT -5
Ughhh.....
There is no such thing as "renegotiations".
Doesn't exist.
Wtf?
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Post by metalsmith on Apr 6, 2017 1:02:24 GMT -5
Ughhh..... There is no such thing as "renegotiations". Doesn't exist. Wtf? No, I agree. That's called breaking (or breach of) contract. That's why you got negative feedback. The deal had been formed. But don't dwell on this. Clearly this is part of your education in business matters. Learn the lesson (I think you have) and move on. Not just 'move on'; move forwards. Come on Scott, Adam needs some encouragement; he has already had his due put down with the feedback he got in ebay. Be nice; don't rub his face in it.
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Post by adam on Apr 6, 2017 6:50:52 GMT -5
Is breach of contract in the guidelines on eBay, or is that just a general life lesson?
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 6, 2017 7:29:53 GMT -5
Is breach of contract in the guidelines on eBay, or is that just a general life lesson? Both. When a bidder bids, he/she is agreeing that the bid constitutes a contract with the seller. Their end of the deal is to pay, yours is to ship the item. Period. There are not many instances in life when breaking a contract will earn you any points.
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Post by metalsmith on Apr 6, 2017 7:58:06 GMT -5
Is breach of contract in the guidelines on eBay, or is that just a general life lesson? Yeah, you decide up front what price you will start at, whether you want to put a reserve on it. If you choose a low start and no reserve, that is your gamble that more buyers might be interested in it and bid each other up. If they don't you have to accept the final bid price. If you want / need to achieve $x so that you've not made a loss, cover your purchase, time and running costs, you should set this out from the start. You're not alone in this, don't worry.
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Post by captbob on Apr 6, 2017 8:22:59 GMT -5
Not in my world. We don't hand out participation trophies here. A man (person) ain't worth spit if their word means nothing. That lesson often takes more than a couple bad feedback on a meaningless account. Save the coddling and pats on the head for a puppy.
Scott was correct in that this is a "wtf" worthy situation.
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 6, 2017 8:39:32 GMT -5
Starting again is rough and yeah, I'll soldier on, I prefer it that way. If people don't want to buy, well, it's a lose-lose situation, I get it... Some of us aren't good enough to achieve 99%, 95%, or even 90% satisfactory. What are they to do? Restart? No thanks. Adam, I am always struck by your defeatest attitude. Yes, it is none of my business and I have thought long and hard about bothering to respond to this... With your attitude, you will not move forward in your business dealings. YOU ARE 100% CAPABLE of being good enough to achieve 100% positive feedback. All you need to do is follow a few simple rules and treat the customer right. They pay you, you ship item promptly and securely. You don't need to chat them up, you shouldn't argue with them. Each person who pays you deserves to be treated by you as if you appreciate their business- whether you took a loss or not. Taking a loss is your own fault, not theirs. You have been given some excellent advice, but you seem very hesitant to actually listen to any of it. Its as if you want to fail. Personally, I think it is all in your attitude. Why don't you want to succeed?
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Post by metalsmith on Apr 6, 2017 11:56:47 GMT -5
Not in my world. We don't hand out participation trophies here. A man (person) ain't worth spit if their word means nothing. That lesson often takes more than a couple bad feedback on a meaningless account. Save the coddling and pats on the head for a puppy. Scott was correct in that this is a "wtf" worthy situation. By the above, perhaps I need to clarify that I meant he won't be the first and he won't be the last. Plenty of folk make this mistake. But then if I were to see a chap trying to keep his head above water I would rather throw him a hand than a brick.
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Post by Pat on Apr 6, 2017 13:18:54 GMT -5
Not in my world. We don't hand out participation trophies here. A man (person) ain't worth spit if their word means nothing. That lesson often takes more than a couple bad feedback on a meaningless account. Save the coddling and pats on the head for a puppy. Scott was correct in that this is a "wtf" worthy situation. By the above, perhaps I need to clarify that I meant he won't be the first and he won't be the last. Plenty of folk make this mistake. But then if I were to see a chap trying to keep his head above water I would rather throw him a hand than a brick. ............ and that swimmer needs to keep trying. Too easy to give up, but the business will fail. Keep plugging and working along, and the rewards will come. Adam has received a lot of good advice in this thread and a lot of valuable real life knowledge. He will succeed if he works at it. adam wake up and keep us posted.
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Post by adam on Apr 6, 2017 14:19:11 GMT -5
I'm not making a career out of eBay, but I should be successful, or there is no point in trying to sell at all.
I can see why a sentimental person shouldn't be selling items on eBay or anywhere for that matter. The sentimental value of an item can make them go back on their word. Shit happens.
I don't appreciate when someone replies angrily, that doesn't help any.
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 6, 2017 15:49:41 GMT -5
I'm not making a career out of eBay, but I should be successful, or there is no point in trying to sell at all. I can see why a sentimental person shouldn't be selling items on eBay or anywhere for that matter. The sentimental value of an item can make them go back on their word. Shit happens. I don't appreciate when someone replies angrily, that doesn't help any. Did you mean someone here was replying angrily or on eBay? Because I don't see any anger here. If you mean ebay, then yeah, winning bidders can get angry when their bids aren't honored. I used to collect cameos. I had a search string set up for specific bargains and had it filtered for buy it now / new listings. A killer deal came up and I snatched it! The guy turned into a real ass and refused to sell it to me. He said it was obviously a mistake. Well, it wasn't obvious to me and I wanted my flippin cameo that I paid for instantaneously. You can bet your tail end I was pissed! I reported him. His "mistake" was not my problem.
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Post by adam on Apr 7, 2017 8:15:12 GMT -5
Not in my world. We don't hand out participation trophies here. A man (person) ain't worth spit if their word means nothing. That lesson often takes more than a couple bad feedback on a meaningless account. Save the coddling and pats on the head for a puppy. Scott was correct in that this is a "wtf" worthy situation. Meaningless account? What are you trying to prove? This isn't a "wtf" situation. You're criminalizing me. That's all you are doing.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 8, 2017 18:59:17 GMT -5
Not in my world. We don't hand out participation trophies here. A man (person) ain't worth spit if their word means nothing. That lesson often takes more than a couple bad feedback on a meaningless account. Save the coddling and pats on the head for a puppy. Scott was correct in that this is a "wtf" worthy situation. Meaningless account? What are you trying to prove? This isn't a "wtf" situation. You're criminalizing me. That's all you are doing. Adam - nobody is criminalizing you. We have experience with Ebay and a term like renegotiate doesn't exist there. You offer what you offer at the price you offer it and that's the end of the discussion. It sells you honor it. There is no stopping the process and trying to raise the price. Scott is right - when I read your words my jaw dropped - wtf. If anyone on Ebay tried to do that to any of us we'd be freakin pissed for good reason. Daniel gave the best advice - flood your account with small sales at a loss - call it startup costs if need be - until you get your feedback up above 100 and this will look like a distant memory. You've GOT to honor your auctions though or you're going in circles.
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Post by captbob on Apr 8, 2017 19:26:04 GMT -5
My apologies Adam for maybe not choosing a better term than "meaningless account". I'm sure that it has meaning to you. I meant meaningless in that the feedback number is so low that you can walk away and start over without losing a bunch of feedback history. This was suggested quite awhile ago. If you prefer to stick with your present account, that is naturally your choice.
Criminalizing you? *snort* naw... While your actions were certainly against eBay policy, I don't know that it was criminal, and I certainly didn't suggest that it was. I may, however, have been making fun of you. Backing out of a sale and basically breaking a contract on the sale of a few slabs of rock because you felt "connected" to them is down right funny in my world. Sad, but nonetheless funny!
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 8, 2017 19:51:00 GMT -5
I may, however, have been making fun of you. Backing out of a sale and basically breaking a contract on the sale of a few slabs of rock because you felt "connected" to them is down right funny in my world. Sad, but nonetheless funny! Did you never hear the expression, "Don't kick a man when he is down."?
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Post by captbob on Apr 8, 2017 21:39:06 GMT -5
Did you never hear the expression, "Don't kick a man when he is down."? He backed out of two eBay sales almost 3 months ago, and recently said of the issue "shit happens". Now accuses me of "criminalizing" him - what ever the heck that means. I don't think he is down at all. I also don't believe he should be coddled. He is not a 12 year old. Did you ever hear the expression, "Suck it up buttercup."? That would be my advice to him. Playing the wounded bird does not impress me. Excuses do not foster responsibility.
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Post by metalsmith on Apr 10, 2017 2:18:27 GMT -5
He backed out of two eBay sales almost 3 months ago TBH ... I think we should call for air-strikes.
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Post by adam on Apr 10, 2017 6:51:47 GMT -5
Did you never hear the expression, "Don't kick a man when he is down."? He backed out of two eBay sales almost 3 months ago, and recently said of the issue "shit happens". Now accuses me of "criminalizing" him - what ever the heck that means. I don't think he is down at all. I also don't believe he should be coddled. He is not a 12 year old. Did you ever hear the expression, "Suck it up buttercup."? That would be my advice to him. Playing the wounded bird does not impress me. Excuses do not foster responsibility. Only one item was meant to be cancelled, but both items were cancelled in the process of canceling one order, don't ask me how. Customer got his money back, so I did nothing wrong. Is cancelling an order wrong? There are two sides to a coin. If someone cancelled an order on me and gave me a full refund I wouldn't be too mad. Hell, I'd get over it quite soon and move on. So, now I know how people feel when they're denied an item they had paid for. As long as that person is refunded, everyone should be cool.
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Post by unclesoska on Apr 10, 2017 12:18:38 GMT -5
Lotsa things to get pissed about on Ebay, especially as a seller, but if you READ ALL the policies, there shouldn't be many surprises. As a buyer, the moment I see the photo of an item I'm in the market for, a kinda bond or emotional attachment begins to form. I add the item to my watch list, I pay attention to how many others are watching, I ask questions of the buyer, if need be, and now before I realize it, I have TIME invested in this potential purchase. So I sit on pins and needles for 7, 10 0r 30 days, waiting for the auction close. I placed an opening bid, which is matched, so I bid again, more time, more emotion, and BOOM, I'm the lucky one to win the item. I quickly pay via paypal, and find out after auction close that the buyer changed his mind and refunded my payment. Now I should just walk away and shrug it off? HELL NO! I'm pissed at losing my investment! (Time and hand wringing). So I guess I resent your cavalier and lackadaisical attitude toward your buyers. Good luck in business w/ that attitude.
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