ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 12:28:41 GMT -5
After getting an inferior rock pick misleadingly sold as an Estwing hubby broke down and spent some money on a real Estwing. He got a 22oz. To go along with our substandard 14oz. He also picked up a pretty nice chisel to hit with our 3lb. sledge to break rocks off of matrix, etc. Funny how Estwing warns that hitting anything harder than a wood stake could cause chipping. I'm hoping that is their way of avoiding lawsuits and not a testament to how bad their quality is. Shows a lack of the company's balls mostly. I mean, they are selling these as rock pick hammers.... Aren't they?
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Post by wigglinrocks on Mar 11, 2017 13:51:48 GMT -5
Smacking a rock with any hammer could chip the hammer . Most rock is harder than steel . Estwing or any other top of the line hammer has the potential to chip fragments off if you hit harder things with them . The hammer you got should last you a long time if it is not abused .
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Post by Fossilman on Mar 11, 2017 15:02:23 GMT -5
Scored some beautiful tools there!!!! Top Company name too..............
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 16:59:21 GMT -5
Smacking a rock with any hammer could chip the hammer . Most rock is harder than steel . Estwing or any other top of the line hammer has the potential to chip fragments off if you hit harder things with them . The hammer you got should last you a long time if it is not abused . Why call it a rock hammer if it can't be used on rocks? I've seen them being used on rock by professional geologists and others who can read the same label I read. The only reason it carries that label is to relieve them from liability should their "rock hammer" be chipped by what its name implies it can be used on and someone gets hurt using it for what it was meant for. Estwing is no doubt a fine " rock hammer" company who is simply afraid of being sued and basically because of that and their lame wood stake only warning label they have no balls IMHO. I don't plan on abusing it. I bought the chisel for rock breaking (which is the right way to do it anyway.)
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Post by captbob on Mar 11, 2017 19:06:11 GMT -5
So you are saying the Estwing company has no balls (twice) because they are just covering their @$$ against stupid lawsuits? It's a high quality rock hammer, use it with the understanding that sh*t happens.
I have 5 gallon buckets with warning labels that one can drown in it if filled with water. But... I STILL fill them with water. So far, so good.
Morons and scammers in our litigious society lead to overly cautious warning labels. I kinda figure that the herd needs culling anyway. Warning labels are not an indication of "no balls", but a deterrent against no brains and folks that want to sue at the drop of a hat.
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 19:36:36 GMT -5
So you are saying the Estwing company has no balls (twice) because they are just covering their @$$ against stupid lawsuits? It's a high quality rock hammer, use it with the understanding that sh*t happens. I have 5 gallon buckets with warning labels that one can drown in it if filled with water. But... I STILL fill them with water. So far, so good. Morons and scammers in our litigious society lead to overly cautious warning labels. I kinda figure that the herd needs culling anyway. Warning labels are not an indication of "no balls", but a deterrent against no brains and folks that want to sue at the drop of a hat. I completely agree with you on everything you say. Especially when it comes to lawsuit scammers. However, the chisel that I bought (not made by Estwing) is also made to be used on rock and carries no lame ass warning pretending that the chisel wasn't made for anything other than a wood stake. That's what I mean by no balls. Why dont they just say our rock hammers should never be uses on rocks because we might get sued? At least that way I could give them brownie points for honesty. It's the same way I would feel about let's say, an ATV with the warning not to be driven off road, or the a food that shouldn't be eaten. I can't help you don't agree, but then, I don't really care either. It's just my personal opinion so shouting it down won't change it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:12:05 GMT -5
That stuff of about rock hammers not being up for abuse is crap. I have a BS import one i bought years ago and i abuse the hell out of it. Never once did i care if i damaged it. It was $12.
I liked the estwing 22oz and abused it too. But lost in in a tragic "left the tailgate down" incident that really made a friend here very angry with me.
Steel is way tougher (but softer) than agates. So the harder agates break but are not deformed by the softer steel hammer.
Your hammer will last generations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:13:48 GMT -5
I have that chisel. I thought is was estwing!
Bought mine at THD. 😀
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 20:24:14 GMT -5
That stuff of about rock hammers not being up for abuse is crap. I have a BS import one i bought years ago and i abuse the hell out of it. Never once did i care if i damaged it. It was $12. I liked the estwing 22oz and abused it too. But lost in in a tragic "left the tailgate down" incident that really made a friend here very angry with me. Steel is way tougher (but softer) than agates. So the harder agates break but are not deformed by the softer steel hammer. Your hammer will last generations. Too bad Estwing won't commit to making your last statement like you can. It's good their reputation can be better appreciated than their attitude can be. I also bought one of those third world cheapo's. I'm going to test them both side by side on the mine piles in Keweenaw and relay my OPINION on them both here.
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 20:34:42 GMT -5
I have that chisel. I thought is was estwing! Bought mine at THD. 😀 Got mine at the same place. No Estwing name on it means it's not an Estwing. Mine has the pointed rock piercing tip not a flat chisel tip. Mine only cost $11.99 and the cheapest Estwing is more than that. Real Estwing rock chisels have a blue grip with a red plastic striking end. Mine looks like it's up to the task.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:45:14 GMT -5
I have that chisel. I thought is was estwing! Bought mine at THD. 😀 Got mine at the same place. No Estwing name on it means it's not an Estwing. Mine has the pointed rock piercing tip not a flat chisel tip. Mine only cost $11.99 and the cheapest Estwing is more than that. Real Estwing rock chisels have a blue grip with a red plastic striking end.  Mine looks like it's up to the task. Well we have the same pencil point chisel. Mine was used to extract 4 big hunks of seam jasper in the North Cady's last weekend. Held up very well. As did the 3# sledge. Fwiw that was any first taste of hard rock mining. It was fun!
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 21:03:53 GMT -5
Got mine at the same place. No Estwing name on it means it's not an Estwing. Mine has the pointed rock piercing tip not a flat chisel tip. Mine only cost $11.99 and the cheapest Estwing is more than that. Real Estwing rock chisels have a blue grip with a red plastic striking end. Mine looks like it's up to the task. Well we have the same pencil point chisel. Mine was used to extract 4 big hunks of seam jasper in the North Cady's last weekend. Held up very well. As did the 3# sledge. Fwiw that was any first taste of hard rock mining. It was fun! Sweet. Glad to hear that chisel was a good choice. Pardon my ignorance but what are the north cady's? Is that short for Cascades? I'm from Michigan so mountains aren't my strong suit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 23:33:19 GMT -5
ziggyThe North Cady's are a mountain range in the Mojave Desert. Full of exciting agates and jaspers and more. Barstow is your Google reference a d Basin Rd is the exit from I15
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Post by ziggy on Mar 11, 2017 23:45:37 GMT -5
ziggy The North Cady's are a mountain range in the Mojave Desert. Full of exciting agates and jaspers and more. Barstow is your Google reference a d Basin Rd is the exit from I15 Funny, I was right near there once back in the '90s.
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 12, 2017 20:51:34 GMT -5
After doing a bunch of googling various Mohs hardnesses relating to rock hammers and the stuff they can and can not break, I've come to the conclusion that hardened rock hammer steel, with a Mohs of 8, should stand up to quartz (mohs 7) agate (chalcedony) mohs 6.5 to 7, granite mohs 7, basalt mohs typically rated at 6, as well as most other typical rocks who's hardness falls below 8 which pretty much covers any other rock I am ever likely to need to use the hammer on up on the mine piles. I won't be hitting any Beryl or diamonds with it as far as I know which are basically the only things that would be harder than the hammer. Based on my exhaustive research I can officially conclude that the "only hit wooden stakes" warning label attached to this "ROCK HAMMER" is an embarrassment to have to see. The fact that this 🔨 has this label is ridiculous. I will wear my safety goggles and use the hammer as it was intended to be used, on rocks, not wooden stakes just like the professional geologists do. If a hunk of the hammer ends up in my arm I already know I can't sue so their tactic to prevent lawsuits works like they designed it to even if their hammer doesn't.
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Post by captbob on Mar 13, 2017 8:53:27 GMT -5
Based on my exhaustive research I can officially conclude that the "only hit wooden stakes" warning label attached to this "ROCK HAMMER" is an embarrassment to have to see. The fact that this 🔨 has this label is ridiculous. I will wear my safety goggles and use the hammer as it was intended to be used, on rocks, not wooden stakes just like the professional geologists do. If a hunk of the hammer ends up in my arm I already know I can't sue so their tactic to prevent lawsuits works like they designed it to even if their hammer doesn't. If a warning label causes you this much consternation, I don't know how you make it through the day. Estwing is simply covering their @ss in a world of litigious people. Every company in the world does it. Good luck finding a product that does not come with a warning label. If such a label is the most bothersome thing that you encounter today, I would call that a win. Enjoy your hammer & please use proper safety precautions.
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Post by zarguy on Mar 13, 2017 11:20:21 GMT -5
I liked the estwing 22oz and abused it too. But lost in in a tragic "left the tailgate down" incident that really made a friend here very angry with me. Thanks to someone else like you, I found a 14 oz Estwing rockpick back in the 70's on an overpass while riding my bike to work. I still have it. I rode my bike a lot & found lots of tools at intersections while waiting for lights. Yeah, some had bad road rash, but some are in great condition. I found a huge Crescent wrench on the side of a dam. It had to have "fallen off a truck". Lynn
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ziggy
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Post by ziggy on Mar 13, 2017 12:37:44 GMT -5
Based on my exhaustive research I can officially conclude that the "only hit wooden stakes" warning label attached to this "ROCK HAMMER" is an embarrassment to have to see. The fact that this 🔨 has this label is ridiculous. I will wear my safety goggles and use the hammer as it was intended to be used, on rocks, not wooden stakes just like the professional geologists do. If a hunk of the hammer ends up in my arm I already know I can't sue so their tactic to prevent lawsuits works like they designed it to even if their hammer doesn't. If a warning label causes you this much consternation, I don't know how you make it through the day. Estwing is simply covering their @ss in a world of litigious people. Every company in the world does it. Good luck finding a product that does not come with a warning label. If such a label is the most bothersome thing that you encounter today, I would call that a win. Enjoy your hammer & please use proper safety precautions. None of the labels you present try to stop you from using the product as it is intended to be used. I am personally gratefully for peanut allergy warnings as they could well save my life. This warning only applies to people like me and others can use the product as intended. So that example dies. A warning to idiots not to pour hot coffee in their crotch is obviously overkill, but was prompted by a very real lawsuit. This warning also only states the obvious and does not try to prevent one from using the end product as intended. So that example dies. The next three also fall into the obvious ridiculous misuse category and none of them warn against using the product for what it was meant to be used for. So those fall down too. The pants warning? Obviously not telling you not to wear them or actually use them as pants. So that one is apples to oranges like the rest were. Qtips.....Everyone knows qtips are used for almost everything but the ears. Never put anything smaller than your elbow in there. Old doctors saying.... As I have already stated, I am expressing my personal opinion. The fact that my opinion upsets you so much is rather troubling. If you must keep on pressing your point with a certainty that you will fail anyway knowing that I don't care what you think about what I think makes me wonder why you feel the need to troll so badly. I hope you can deal with the reality that I am honestly considering you a troll in my thread now. Maybe I need to issue a warning label too? The warning label on the hammer is ridiculous because they are telling you you can't use the hammer for what it was made to do. Enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 21:59:37 GMT -5
ziggy said Well the Q tips warning label is en pointe.... Lol Have a safe trip and use the snot out of those tools!!
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