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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:51:54 GMT -5
Pictures!
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:52:46 GMT -5
Darn it! Trying it again.
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:53:08 GMT -5
GAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:54:51 GMT -5
OH MY GOD I AM NEVER GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT WHAT AM I DOING WRONG NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 18:57:35 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THAT SAME PICTURE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fernwood on Jun 24, 2018 19:27:45 GMT -5
That one photo looks good. You can edit the extra posts to try and post the other photos.
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 19:46:31 GMT -5
not again
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 19:48:20 GMT -5
I give up. You'll just have to imagine the closeups and other pictures.
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 24, 2018 20:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by manofglass on Jun 24, 2018 23:14:29 GMT -5
Stone has nice patterns in it but you made the photos to small to blow them up
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 12:42:24 GMT -5
Are there Crowfield points there ? Paleo cache's are extremely rare. Talking mammoth era. Serious find, Paleo era or not.. Tee totally cool. Pictures are plenty adequate to illustrate the incredible find. Sorry, I 'liked' all 4 photos. I hope the state does not stash these in some basement where humanity can't enjoy the find. Bring the soil and set them just like the photo shows them arranged and on display. Perhaps each layer if they continue downward. I have no experience with NE US artifacts but have experience finding Paleo points with side flutes. About 1 out of 500 spears are Paleo, they are the oldest. Found in conjunction with mammoth kills. The long flute on the side is a dead ringer for a Paleo spear. These look like Daltons and Clovis points of the SE US, side fluted. No confusion there. This one fluted, probably not resharpened so it is long. Note the Crowfield may be shorter and stubbier due to being resharpened. This Crowfield probably resharpened:
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Post by lookatthat on Jun 29, 2018 14:28:31 GMT -5
There are some that strongly resemble the lowest picture you posted, except the fluting does not go all the way to the tip. However, some that were lower in the cache also closely resemble the pentagonal Jack's Reef points, so it's more likely 1200-1400 years old. Then again, they were very large for Jack's Reef points.
There was a question at the beginning whether the site was on state or private land. It has been determined that the cache was on private land (sadly, not mine.) State got permission to excavate and study the find for a month or so, then return the points to the landowner. The arch. is planning on printing 3-D models of the preforms and perhaps of the whole site. They will make a report and probably a presentation. The grounds where these were found is kind of semi-public -- private grounds which have welcomed visitors for over a century. They have recently hired a carpenter and the current understanding is that they will display at least part of the find at the visitor center. Of course, can't tell from here if that will come to be, but one can hope.
Shown is the second layer. There were 4 layers I believe altogether (Depending on how you count them.) The administrator of the property came down while the dig was going on, and asked a lot of questions, which is good, but now thinks he could dig anywhere on the property and find large caches of artifacts! He's been there for years and never seen an artifact, let alone trip over stacks of them, so it's kind of funny. He's not a bad fellow and the whole thing came about in quite a baffling way, so you can't really blame him. However, it made me realize how few people really look closely at what is around them.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 29, 2018 14:39:01 GMT -5
A real big chance it is not Paleo since they are so infrequent. Key point is a flute, notorious feature found on Paleo spears and almost never on other eras go figure. Looking at that Crowfield design pentagonal is certainly a characteristic. Those all look large for recent woodland or Mississippian points but scale is hard to judge other than the knaps. Maybe you know where the chert came from...
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Post by lookatthat on Jul 1, 2018 10:58:01 GMT -5
Possibly Onondaga Chert.
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