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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2017 18:00:09 GMT -5
Aquatic plants simply dance to a different drummer. This is Arrow Arum. Peltandra Viginica. A common aquatic plant with a broad US range. The seeds are eaten by ducks and often referred to as 'Duck Corn'. These are the seeds as purchased in March after being collected in Wisconsin last year in August and then refrigerated. They cost $28 dollars/pound. ~300 seeds per pound. Mostly purchased for wet land mitigation projects.  Seedling busting thru soft shell  As the soft shell breaks a strange mucus like gelatin forms      Seeds are germinated by filling a 6 inch deep tub with water and adding 2 inches of clay on the bottom. Initially seeds float, a few days later they sink and root. If the seeds release before the ducks get them they can be harvested in mass on the downwind side of a swamp.  A delicious night cap of seed mucus for the strong at heart. (do not consume)  After the gelatin is consumed or dissolved or whatever happens to it a seedling is born.  As they look in clumps in the wild. Clumps this size have giant stump about 12 to 18 inches across. Slow growing, fast to spread by seed.  |
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Post by MrMike on Apr 10, 2017 18:05:41 GMT -5
Looks like they've got their own built in water supply, really cool. You didn't have one thought about a slurry thickener??
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2017 18:10:25 GMT -5
Looks like they've got their own built in water supply, really cool. You didn't have one thought about a slurry thickener?? If you felt of it you would think along the lines of KY jelly. |
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Post by MrMike on Apr 10, 2017 18:44:49 GMT -5
Not too many things that can't be fixed by the proper application of lubricant...or was that explosives?
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2017 19:34:55 GMT -5
Not too many things that can't be fixed by the proper application of lubricant...or was that explosives? Not touching that one. I think a tablespoon of that gel would lubricate a Cummings diesel. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 10, 2017 19:49:14 GMT -5
With a title like that, I had to look and see.
That is super cool! They look alien.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 10, 2017 20:45:39 GMT -5
With a title like that, I had to look and see. That is super cool! They look alien. I fed a few to the puppy. She seems sleepy tonight lol. She was tripped by the gelatin. Yea, aquatics are alien plants no doubt Tela. I have collected seed. Most plants that are out in the open get attacked by ducks. Seeds gone. Tighter swamps surrounded by tall trees have less duck fly-ins EXCEPT wood ducks, they can come in vertically and leave vertically. They are powerful flyers. @shotgunner, you ever hunt wood ducks ? They may not be in California. Range map says you have them  |
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 10, 2017 20:57:43 GMT -5
jamesp , are you looking for someone who might be in Wisconsin in august to collect you some seeds ? I think I remember those plants around somewhere . And about the wood ducks , we have a couple boxes hanging on trees they are nesting in . There was one egg in one of the boxes last week , have to check it again . Some years there is as many as 13 eggs in a box . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 21:52:43 GMT -5
With a title like that, I had to look and see. That is super cool! They look alien. I fed a few to the puppy. She seems sleepy tonight lol. She was tripped by the gelatin. Yea, aquatics are alien plants no doubt Tela. I have collected seed. Most plants that are out in the open get attacked by ducks. Seeds gone. Tighter swamps surrounded by tall trees have less duck fly-ins EXCEPT wood ducks, they can come in vertically and leave vertically. They are powerful flyers. @shotgunner, you ever hunt wood ducks ? They may not be in California. Range map says you have them In Cali most woodies are on private property and then most are wild reseeding man made nest boxes. Good thing is odds are good they have a band. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 11, 2017 7:21:31 GMT -5
jamesp , are you looking for someone who might be in Wisconsin in august to collect you some seeds ? I think I remember those plants around somewhere . And about the wood ducks , we have a couple boxes hanging on trees they are nesting in . There was one egg in one of the boxes last week , have to check it again . Some years there is as many as 13 eggs in a box . You Wisconsin guys are into wetlands. I can order dormant barefoot plants from you guys during my selling season and set them on fire in a pot down here. Your plants are still dormant, when they hit our warm conditions they grow to selling size in 2-3 weeks. I use a small family operation-Wildlife Nurseries in Oshkosh. Their competitor is Kestor's: www.kestersnursery.com/Wetland%20Plant's.htm They always recognize my accent. I tease them about their cheese head accent. Love Wisconsin folks. Watching fisherman in Wisconsin, the whole bunch in the boat retort "fish on" in harmony with no emotion and almost as if bored. Calm, in control. Here in the south everyone is rebel yelling and jumping all over the boat about to flip it in excitement. |
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Post by fantastic5 on Apr 11, 2017 9:28:54 GMT -5
Reminds me of Chia seeds but on a bigger scale.  |
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 11, 2017 9:31:27 GMT -5
jamesp , are you looking for someone who might be in Wisconsin in august to collect you some seeds ? I think I remember those plants around somewhere . And about the wood ducks , we have a couple boxes hanging on trees they are nesting in . There was one egg in one of the boxes last week , have to check it again . Some years there is as many as 13 eggs in a box . You Wisconsin guys are into wetlands. I can order dormant barefoot plants from you guys during my selling season and set them on fire in a pot down here. Your plants are still dormant, when they hit our warm conditions they grow to selling size in 2-3 weeks. I use a small family operation-Wildlife Nurseries in Oshkosh. Their competitor is Kestor's: www.kestersnursery.com/Wetland%20Plant's.htm They always recognize my accent. I tease them about their cheese head accent. Love Wisconsin folks. Watching fisherman in Wisconsin, the whole bunch in the boat retort "fish on" in harmony with no emotion and almost as if bored. Calm, in control. Here in the south everyone is rebel yelling and jumping all over the boat about to flip it in excitement. The plants are starting to wake up , some anyway . I'm about to go back to dormant . Woke up this morning to 3" of snow . 40 miles south of here got 10" so I don't feel too bad . Haven't heard any report for north farther where they were supposed to get more . Your southern fishing sounds like deer hunting up here . Gets kinda intense . |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 11, 2017 9:42:37 GMT -5
Reminds me of Chia seeds but on a bigger scale. What is the reason for the mucous-oidal secretion Ann ? Perhaps your medical background can shed light. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 11, 2017 9:43:40 GMT -5
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 11, 2017 10:04:24 GMT -5
The big lakes throw us all kinds of surprises . 70s all weekend , 49 is what they say for today . But they also predicted .62 snow for here last ntght . Our weather historians are quite a bunch . Don't have to be accurate , just have to be able to come up with a good excuse for what happened . |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 11, 2017 12:20:52 GMT -5
The big lakes throw us all kinds of surprises . 70s all weekend , 49 is what they say for today . But they also predicted .62 snow for here last ntght . Our weather historians are quite a bunch . Don't have to be accurate , just have to be able to come up with a good excuse for what happened . The Rockies are terrible. A wind change can make it go from 75F to 30F in minutes. Think about it, air from low warm lowland switching to 8000 feet with snow. I guess you carry a back pack with needed layers. The air is so humid and stagnant here temp changes are minor, usually hot. I think it gives us brain damage. So the funny accent. |
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Post by fantastic5 on Apr 11, 2017 12:26:20 GMT -5
Reminds me of Chia seeds but on a bigger scale. What is the reason for the mucous-oidal secretion Ann ? Perhaps your medical background can shed light. It's been a VERY long time since I had plant biology, but my thoughts trend towards the more simple answer. It is likely protective mechanism to keep the seed from drying out as it begins to germinate. Fairly easy, chemically speaking, to create an inverse polymer in fresh water. Salt water is much more difficult. Spent a year as a co-op chemist while in college working on a salt tolerant inverse polymer. We did it, but it was a real pain. Made me change fields from chemistry to medicine. I wonder if any seeds managed to do it in salt water? Seems like my boss was basing his polymer off of some sort of salt water gastropod. |
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 11, 2017 12:33:32 GMT -5
The big lakes throw us all kinds of surprises . 70s all weekend , 49 is what they say for today . But they also predicted .62 snow for here last ntght . Our weather historians are quite a bunch . Don't have to be accurate , just have to be able to come up with a good excuse for what happened . The Rockies are terrible. A wind change can make it go from 75F to 30F in minutes. Think about it, air from low warm lowland switching to 8000 feet with snow. I guess you carry a back pack with needed layers. The air is so humid and stagnant here temp changes are minor, usually hot. I think it gives us brain damage. So the funny accent. Never had a big desire to do the mountain thing , the little knobs here are good enough for me . Less demanding . I was at Benning for basic training from late Jan til about April , weather wasn't bad then . I think the cold effects our brains as much as the heat and humidity does yours . |
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 11, 2017 17:15:10 GMT -5
At first,they looked like small tumbled rocks...LOL How wondereful nature is when they make so many types of seeds to produce plants.......
Learned something new everyday!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 11, 2017 17:17:12 GMT -5
What is the reason for the mucous-oidal secretion Ann ? Perhaps your medical background can shed light. It's been a VERY long time since I had plant biology, but my thoughts trend towards the more simple answer. It is likely protective mechanism to keep the seed from drying out as it begins to germinate. Fairly easy, chemically speaking, to create an inverse polymer in fresh water. Salt water is much more difficult. Spent a year as a co-op chemist while in college working on a salt tolerant inverse polymer. We did it, but it was a real pain. Made me change fields from chemistry to medicine. I wonder if any seeds managed to do it in salt water? Seems like my boss was basing his polymer off of some sort of salt water gastropod. They float over to the shore in dropping summer time water levels. then germinate. Bet you are right, the gelatin maintains moisture. Like polymer Terrasorb granules for keeping plants moist.  |
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