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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 27, 2020 19:30:26 GMT -5
I kept googling this stuff. I actually think there's a difference between the Kaleidoscope Prism Stone and the Kaleidoscope Jasper. When I google Kaleidoscope Jasper, it looks like a totally different material. There's several threads on RTH that show pics of the Jasper version, but doesn't really resemble this stuff...unless I overlooked something. Not doubting you necessarily as I have no experience other than Google...more doubting myself! LOL They are two different materials. Kaleidoscope Jasper was mined by the Rhode family in Oregon and is a jasper. The Kaleidoscope Agate (I have never heard it called Prism Stone before) is from Utah and is not an agate at all, but a mixture of different colored fluorites and some copper mineral stuff.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 27, 2020 20:01:28 GMT -5
I kept googling this stuff. I actually think there's a difference between the Kaleidoscope Prism Stone and the Kaleidoscope Jasper. When I google Kaleidoscope Jasper, it looks like a totally different material. There's several threads on RTH that show pics of the Jasper version, but doesn't really resemble this stuff...unless I overlooked something. Not doubting you necessarily as I have no experience other than Google...more doubting myself! LOL They are two different materials. Kaleidoscope Jasper was mined by the Rhode family in Oregon and is a jasper. The Kaleidoscope Agate (I have never heard it called Prism Stone before) is from Utah and is not an agate at all, but a mixture of different colored fluorites and some copper mineral stuff. Thanks so much for the clarification Robin. I read somewhere (I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly) this also contains malachite...
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 27, 2020 20:05:21 GMT -5
They are two different materials. Kaleidoscope Jasper was mined by the Rhode family in Oregon and is a jasper. The Kaleidoscope Agate (I have never heard it called Prism Stone before) is from Utah and is not an agate at all, but a mixture of different colored fluorites and some copper mineral stuff. Thanks so much for the clarification Robin. I read somewhere (I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly) this also contains malachite... It wouldn't surprise me if it did. Malachite is copper based mineral.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 20:06:25 GMT -5
Yeah, "Kaleidoscope jasper" (with its dizzying array of sub-types) is a jasper-ish material from Oregon. "Kaleidoscope Stone" (also sometimes called "Kaleidoscope Prism") is a material from Utah that contains fluorite crystals along with azurite, malachite, chrysocolla, etc. These questions are for the both of you if you have time. What was it about the material you found to be "problematic"? Would I be correct in assuming problems can be due to the prism stone being constructed of several different types of material? It also appears it may have a tendency to fracture... Any tips on working this material? Yes, the problematic part is due to it being composed of multiple materials of varying hardnesses. My comment was because it is difficult to keep at least some pieces from undercutting. Keep a light touch and polish on hard leather or similar rigid surface (rather that soft, which pushes the abrasive polish down into softer areas and results in undercutting).
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 27, 2020 21:31:07 GMT -5
Yeah, "Kaleidoscope jasper" (with its dizzying array of sub-types) is a jasper-ish material from Oregon. "Kaleidoscope Stone" (also sometimes called "Kaleidoscope Prism") is a material from Utah that contains fluorite crystals along with azurite, malachite, chrysocolla, etc. These questions are for the both of you if you have time. What was it about the material you found to be "problematic"? Would I be correct in assuming problems can be due to the prism stone being constructed of several different types of material? It also appears it may have a tendency to fracture... Any tips on working this material? Yes, the problematic part is due to it being composed of multiple materials of varying hardnesses. My comment was because it is difficult to keep at least some pieces from undercutting. Keep a light touch and polish on hard leather or similar rigid surface (rather that soft, which pushes the abrasive polish down into softer areas and results in undercutting). Thank you so much for responding to this! I wouldn't have had a clue on using the rigid surface. That makes total sense though about that keeping it from "pushing" into the softer areas!
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Post by lpl on Nov 30, 2020 14:32:18 GMT -5
Hi jasoninsdSorry, I missed this! And everyone's answers are spot on. Its pretty soft material, mostly fluorite, and also contains azurite and malachite. The different hardnesses do indeed present a problem with undercutting. I've gotten better at polishing it, and a light touch most certainly helps with that. But the material matters a bunch as well. I've made 4 purchases on ebay. One was a complete dud. One was ok, and the seller added a bonus piece which was actually better than the one I bid on and won. The third had lots of nice color, but is quite crumbly and really undercuts. The fourth was a home run. It's tighter grained, has great colors, and doesnt undercut. And polishes incredibly well. Buying the rough is a total crap shoot. But damn, the stuff is pretty and people seem to love it. When I first bought it a couple years ago, it was being marketed as kaleidoscope agate or jasper. I don't remember which. That has changed fairly recently as it's now kaleidoscope stone or kaleidoscope prism stone. Probably there were issues with the other material, which is totally different in a lot of ways. Enjoy working it, it's different and fun. Reach out if I can help in any way!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 30, 2020 14:39:22 GMT -5
Hi jasoninsdSorry, I missed this! And everyone's answers are spot on. Its pretty soft material, mostly fluorite, and also contains azurite and malachite. The different hardnesses do indeed present a problem with undercutting. I've gotten better at polishing it, and a light touch most certainly helps with that. But the material matters a bunch as well. I've made 4 purchases on ebay. One was a complete dud. One was ok, and the seller added a bonus piece which was actually better than the one I bid on and won. The third had lots of nice color, but is quite crumbly and really undercuts. The fourth was a home run. It's tighter grained, has great colors, and doesnt undercut. And polishes incredibly well. Buying the rough is a total crap shoot. But damn, the stuff is pretty and people seem to love it. When I first bought it a couple years ago, it was being marketed as kaleidoscope agate or jasper. I don't remember which. That has changed fairly recently as it's now kaleidoscope stone or kaleidoscope prism stone. Probably there were issues with the other material, which is totally different in a lot of ways. Enjoy working it, it's different and fun. Reach out if I can help in any way! I might just take you up on the offer for advice later on this stuff! You mentioned one of my concerns with the slab I purchased....crumbly. So, time will tell on that one. I'm learning the "lighter touch", but still want to work some other soft material first before I tackle this stuff. Thank you so much for letting me know all this!
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Post by lpl on Nov 30, 2020 14:48:51 GMT -5
I don't know if you have the ability to stabilize it with CA glue or Hxtal. It helps for sure. I try not to use those often, but sometimes on this stuff, there is no choice and it will just fall apart.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 30, 2020 18:28:29 GMT -5
I don't know if you have the ability to stabilize it with CA glue or Hxtal. It helps for sure. I try not to use those often, but sometimes on this stuff, there is no choice and it will just fall apart. I've never had to stabilize anything I've worked so far. I'll definitely look into "how". I have a thing for dino bone and I know it too often needs to be stabilized, so I knew I was going to have to figure out how to do it someday. Thank you for the suggestion on that.
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