reynedrop
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 25, 2020 22:13:49 GMT -5
Overall update: I decided in a more rested state, and on my laptop and not phone, to look at maps to the mine so I can plot out hiking. There is basically no hiking required for this particular area. Apparently when I plugged in the coordinated to my phone last night, I typed them in slightly wrong and 3 miles into the national park from the road that leads directly to the mine. Husband can do f*%& all in the car or with Puppers while I smash calcite with a sledge hammer. Easiest day trip ever. Because of this though we may still decide to do a weekend and go out to Crystal Park. Saturday morning leave around 7, get to site at around 9:30, do the rock thing for however long I can stand but probably will want to leave by 2 because attention span, then drive maybe another 2 to Elkhorn Hotsprings, soak in some hot water and stay overnight, wake up Sunday and dig at Crystal Park, then go home. How can husband NOT agree to this plan?
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 25, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
You need ULF or ELF to penetrate underground.
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Benathema
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Post by Benathema on Feb 25, 2020 22:33:59 GMT -5
Whelp, compass, coords, and altitude are nice. I do like knowing if the reason I'm so winded is altitude or a measure of being out of shape.
I've used it to track down midpoints and edges of sections to make sure I'm clear of claims (lot of claim owners around here have not marked their claims at all, yet that wont fly as an excuse even on accident).
I recently learned of its Radar feature which allows you to save locations as waypoints. Then the points pop up on the compass with distances to navigate back to. Looking to use that a bit more. Before I was taking a screenshot. In either case, coming home and plotting the coords in google maps is nice to figure out where I was.
Pitch, roll, speed, magnetic field, battery %, brightness don't really matter to me.
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 25, 2020 22:46:39 GMT -5
joshuamcduffie are there location satellites for that? or towers? if so, probably ultra expensive and used commercially or for research purposes. very niche. Benathema I would assume speed is meaningless when you're looking for rocks anyway Good to hear what's really useful as I look into them myself. Thanks.
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 25, 2020 22:56:12 GMT -5
The Navy used or uses ELF to communicate with submarines. Mining companies use ULF to communicate with underground miners. Neither is a location service, just examples of where on the electromagnetic spectrum the waves can penetrate the earth.
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reynedrop
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 25, 2020 23:23:05 GMT -5
The Navy used or uses ELF to communicate with submarines. Mining companies use ULF to communicate with underground miners. Neither is a location service, just examples of where on the electromagnetic spectrum the waves can penetrate the earth. I meant if one were to use it like a GPS/develop a system like that to not just communicate but track overall. Very expensive. Very niche. Probably would be military development (I mean if it's going into space... few people have that capital and I can't see Elon Musk wanting to do that). And what we have developed now, like those examples, are not for general public use. Just looked it up too as I was curious what frequencies were used in ULF and discovered: PED. Struggling to find any commercial product though. It sounds handy to have as an emergency preparedness thing.
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 25, 2020 23:27:41 GMT -5
Overall update: I decided in a more rested state, and on my laptop and not phone, to look at maps to the mine so I can plot out hiking. There is basically no hiking required for this particular area. Apparently when I plugged in the coordinated to my phone last night, I typed them in slightly wrong and 3 miles into the national park from the road that leads directly to the mine. Husband can do f*%& all in the car or with Puppers while I smash calcite with a sledge hammer. Easiest day trip ever. Because of this though we may still decide to do a weekend and go out to Crystal Park. Saturday morning leave around 7, get to site at around 9:30, do the rock thing for however long I can stand but probably will want to leave by 2 because attention span, then drive maybe another 2 to Elkhorn Hotsprings, soak in some hot water and stay overnight, wake up Sunday and dig at Crystal Park, then go home. How can husband NOT agree to this plan? Husband did NOT agree to this plan 3 months in the future with Crystal Park is open. Best Friend is interested. I'm nervous as she has chronic back pain but she's the one interested in metaphysical uses of rocks so she's excited. We are set to go in June. Now to wait (I'll probably go to the site by myself first anyway as soon as the snow melts. 2.5 hour drive, a few hours dinking around, then come home. 8 hour day. By the road. Should be fine, yes?)
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Post by fernwood on Feb 25, 2020 23:38:39 GMT -5
I had a surveying app on my previous phone. Was fortunate to be invited along with the surveyor when he did my land. Tomorrow, I will try to find the name of it. The app had access to about 8 different satellites. Only 3 were needed for it to work. Maps could be downloaded. Reference points marked. The app also would notify you how far you were from a specified reference point. It was a free app.
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Post by fernwood on Feb 26, 2020 6:18:53 GMT -5
The app is called Avenza. The surveyor often had enough signal for Avenza, but did not have phone service for anything else. He said this was due to the number of satellite options available for Avenza, compared to those available for for other things. I still do not understand why this is the case. www.avenzamaps.com/
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Post by MsAli on Feb 26, 2020 7:22:19 GMT -5
Overall update: I decided in a more rested state, and on my laptop and not phone, to look at maps to the mine so I can plot out hiking. There is basically no hiking required for this particular area. Apparently when I plugged in the coordinated to my phone last night, I typed them in slightly wrong and 3 miles into the national park from the road that leads directly to the mine. Husband can do f*%& all in the car or with Puppers while I smash calcite with a sledge hammer. Easiest day trip ever. Because of this though we may still decide to do a weekend and go out to Crystal Park. Saturday morning leave around 7, get to site at around 9:30, do the rock thing for however long I can stand but probably will want to leave by 2 because attention span, then drive maybe another 2 to Elkhorn Hotsprings, soak in some hot water and stay overnight, wake up Sunday and dig at Crystal Park, then go home. How can husband NOT agree to this plan? Husband did NOT agree to this plan 3 months in the future with Crystal Park is open. Best Friend is interested. I'm nervous as she has chronic back pain but she's the one interested in metaphysical uses of rocks so she's excited. We are set to go in June. Now to wait (I'll probably go to the site by myself first anyway as soon as the snow melts. 2.5 hour drive, a few hours dinking around, then come home. 8 hour day. By the road. Should be fine, yes?) I have been single for 6 years now and I really do not like doing things on my own, mainly for safety reasons ( I get lost really easy) Plus it is just a whole lot funner to have someone to share experiences with. I am also a very introverted creature and really have to be brave to step out of my comfort zones That said, someone (more than one) once told me that I am going to miss out on a lot of things I want to do if I am waiting around for someone to do them with. UUUGGGHH he was right And I have learned throughout the years that rockhounding is not always appealing to the weird people who dont like rocks, so finding people to do that with can be a challenge. so my advice BE SAFE! know your limits and exercise tolerance, have good hiking shoes, pack the car with a n emergency kit, some blankets, extra clothes & shoes, snack are a must as is plenty of water. Have your GPS ready, put some courage on and off you go.
Trust me it is far better to have solo adventures that make you happy then it is to sit around and dream about those adventures or wait on someone to join you
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 26, 2020 7:26:42 GMT -5
"weird people who don't like rocks" Who doesn't like rocks? Blasphemers!
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Post by MsAli on Feb 26, 2020 7:27:40 GMT -5
"weird people who don't like rocks" Who doesn't like rocks? Blasphemers! muggles
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 26, 2020 7:30:41 GMT -5
The app is called Avenza. The surveyor often had enough signal for Avenza, but did not have phone service for anything else. He said this was due to the number of satellite options available for Avenza, compared to those available for for other things. I still do not understand why this is the case. www.avenzamaps.com/The Avenza app downloads maps and stores them, so even if you don't have cellular network connectivity you can still use the application if you have GPS connectivity - which is in theory everywhere you have a clear view of the sky.
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 26, 2020 7:31:17 GMT -5
"weird people who don't like rocks" Who doesn't like rocks? Blasphemers! muggles Filthy Mudbloods. Obviously not hanging out with the right kind of wizards.
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reynedrop
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 26, 2020 9:49:46 GMT -5
Husband did NOT agree to this plan 3 months in the future with Crystal Park is open. Best Friend is interested. I'm nervous as she has chronic back pain but she's the one interested in metaphysical uses of rocks so she's excited. We are set to go in June. Now to wait (I'll probably go to the site by myself first anyway as soon as the snow melts. 2.5 hour drive, a few hours dinking around, then come home. 8 hour day. By the road. Should be fine, yes?) I have been single for 6 years now and I really do not like doing things on my own, mainly for safety reasons ( I get lost really easy) Plus it is just a whole lot funner to have someone to share experiences with. I am also a very introverted creature and really have to be brave to step out of my comfort zones That said, someone (more than one) once told me that I am going to miss out on a lot of things I want to do if I am waiting around for someone to do them with. UUUGGGHH he was right And I have learned throughout the years that rockhounding is not always appealing to the weird people who dont like rocks, so finding people to do that with can be a challenge. so my advice BE SAFE! know your limits and exercise tolerance, have good hiking shoes, pack the car with a n emergency kit, some blankets, extra clothes & shoes, snack are a must as is plenty of water. Have your GPS ready, put some courage on and off you go.
Trust me it is far better to have solo adventures that make you happy then it is to sit around and dream about those adventures or wait on someone to join you I’m far from adventurous, brave, or courageous (I will never be considered a gryffindor ever), but I love to travel and see the world much more than Husband, rocks or no. I wanted to go to Thailand for our honeymoon (have been before and love it). He refused. I briefly planned out two weeks in Japan (a culture we both love) and Indonesia (Bali, for the beaches). He then vetoed going across the international date line. East Mexico somehow is as “adventurous” as he gets. I planned day trips for us for our honeymoon and he “isn’t excited.” I mean seriously? Chichen itza? Sea turtles? THE CENOTES YOUR BOSS/FRIEND SAID WERE A MAJOR NEED TO SEE? I don’t understand this man I married sometimes. Two days of cenotes, half day snorkeling with sea turtles, and one day at a world heritage site... and 8 full days of doing absolutely nothing at the resort. It’ll be wonderful and relaxing but how do you go to the Yucatán for that long and NOT see at least one Mayan pyramid, just for the experience of another ancient culture? I will probably never travel abroad alone. Oldest siblings did that (lived in China, traveled frequently to other Asian countries) and were fine, but I’m too afraid of the “what ifs” while across seas. Some day I hope my friends can afford trips with me as they would love to see the elephants in Thailand and Cambodia and I can take them to many great places in China, but my two real friends are not in great financial situations, and Husband is (IMO rightfully) not going to pay for them to go on a big trip like that. As a huge introvert but also somebody who likes experiences just for the knowledge aspect, I’ve realized too that I can’t wait on other people. I’m not afraid of being by myself as long as I have access to “emergency services” (eg I can call 911 somehow) and have a low likelihood of encountering dangerous wildlife (or people). Actual conversation this morning: Me: “So I know you said you weren’t comfortable with me going to get jasper in [location] alone, but it’s literally right off the road less than a quarter mile from a bar. We drive past it every time we visit your boss’s family.” Him: “Lucy, you can still get abducted.” Me: “Why would anybody abduct me in broad daylight so close to civilization?” Him: “Because you’re little and cute and not very strong?” Me: “I’ll have sharp tools on me. Hammers and chisels.” Him: “So?” Me: “I can kill a person with sharp tools.” Him: “I highly doubt that.” Me: “They’re sharp. I know where the jugular is.” Him: “Lucy, if I was going to abduct you, you wouldn’t have time to stab me in the jugular with a chisel.” Note: he is a bit protective. I had a very traumatic experience years ago before we met. Last summer I had some guy I didn’t know follow me around a park and touch my shoulder and it freaked me out quite a bit, couldn’t go back to said park rest of season out of fear. Since then Husband has just been a little more worried about me being outdoors by myself. It’s not like I need his permission to do anything, but I also don’t like the idea of him anxiously sitting at home.
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 26, 2020 10:01:39 GMT -5
The app is called Avenza. The surveyor often had enough signal for Avenza, but did not have phone service for anything else. He said this was due to the number of satellite options available for Avenza, compared to those available for for other things. I still do not understand why this is the case. www.avenzamaps.com/Normal cell service relies on towers that transmit a signal, which means that you need to be close enough to a spot on land that has a tower on it for your particular cell phone carrier. You may have heard that some budget cell service carriers “use the same towers” as AT&T or Verizon- that’s true, they use the “big name” infrastructure so you would get approximately the same “range” but without the extra cost as they are not paying for the infrastructure. GPS relies on satellite, so as long as you don’t have barriers above you (idk about dense foliage, but like rock, dirt, or water), the signal from the satellite can reach you pretty much anywhere on earth. I’m not sure how many satellites are out there for GPS or otherwise, or exactly how far out a satellite signal radiates, but I’m sure the scientists who designed the system did the math to ensure almost perfect coverage.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 26, 2020 10:11:17 GMT -5
Fear = control
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 27, 2020 1:46:38 GMT -5
False. Fear may lead to control, but it is a valid emotion and needs to be expressed in healthy ways. Control is related to actions you take, and while not inherently negative can quickly become so when you ignore another's autonomy. He can express his fears and anxieties, and we can talk about them. Sometimes fear means adding additional controls. Bringing a gun with you into the woods is an example of controlling your fear of bears. If your husband/wife was afraid of bears and asked you to carry a gun when you went into the woods by yourself, that is control but is not negative. If fear is NOT well honored and discussed, it can very easily lead to anger which may lead to controlling, abusive behaviors. In this case, if you refused to bring the gun and your husband/wife did something to keep you home, this is negative control. Maybe that is physical, such as letting all the air out of your tires, hiding keys, or withholding other tools or resources needed, or emotional by belittling you, placing blame on you, or withholding affection with the intent to get you to stay back). So yes, fear and control are related, but do NOT confuse the two things, and definitely do not confuse "control" with the negative abusive behavior. Bit of a rant: I ABHOR when people say something like "control your emotions" or "don't feel ____." The goal is not to ignore your feelings. It is to honor them and express them in healthy, positive ways. All emotions serve a purpose, and you should feel a wide range of emotions. When you feel the emotion, name it, understand it, and then choose to honor it. Maybe talk about it, journal it, sing, play an instrument, create art, exercise, clean, meditate, etc. Sometimes honoring it means changing behavior that triggered the emotion. Eg, a way to honor guilt is to apologize for the thing you feel guilty about. If an emotion does not "line up" with what is expected (or what is helpful), process that further. What else are you feeling? Is this emotion secondary? Is this emotion based off of reality, or something I constructed? Examine your cognitions/thoughts underlying the emotion. Are you catastrophizing? Making illogical conclusions? Often another emotion underlying that you have yet to understand and honor.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 27, 2020 7:11:40 GMT -5
Actual conversation this morning:
Me: “So I know you said you weren’t comfortable with me going to get jasper in [location] alone, but it’s literally right off the road less than a quarter mile from a bar. We drive past it every time we visit your boss’s family.” Him: “Lucy, you can still get abducted.” Me: “Why would anybody abduct me in broad daylight so close to civilization?” Him: “Because you’re little and cute and not very strong?” Me: “I’ll have sharp tools on me. Hammers and chisels.” Him: “So?” Me: “I can kill a person with sharp tools.” Him: “I highly doubt that.” Me: “They’re sharp. I know where the jugular is.” Him: “Lucy, if I was going to abduct you, you wouldn’t have time to stab me in the jugular with a chisel.”
but isnt this a fear based hypothetical to control someones actions?
Fear controls a lot
I have several really good articles I can share with you about it if you would like
Some really good authors as well that you can read
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Post by reynedrop on Feb 27, 2020 10:54:34 GMT -5
Actual conversation this morning: Me: “So I know you said you weren’t comfortable with me going to get jasper in [location] alone, but it’s literally right off the road less than a quarter mile from a bar. We drive past it every time we visit your boss’s family.” Him: “Lucy, you can still get abducted.” Me: “Why would anybody abduct me in broad daylight so close to civilization?” Him: “Because you’re little and cute and not very strong?” Me: “I’ll have sharp tools on me. Hammers and chisels.” Him: “So?” Me: “I can kill a person with sharp tools.” Him: “I highly doubt that.” Me: “They’re sharp. I know where the jugular is.” Him: “Lucy, if I was going to abduct you, you wouldn’t have time to stab me in the jugular with a chisel.” but isnt this a fear based hypothetical to control someones actions? Fear controls a lot I have several really good articles I can share with you about it if you would like Some really good authors as well that you can read No, it’s not. It’s processing his fear through words. Controlling actions would be if he did something to physically stop me from going or “guilt” me into staying home. Any strong “does not feel good” emotion can lead to control. Fear is especially good at it because fear tells us to control something; that is it’s purpose. Again, this isn’t inherently negative. It’s how that control comes out that determines effect. How Husband attempts control with his fear is nuanced specifically towards him and our relationship. Have been doing this for 8.5 years. I understand his communication and intent well. If you knew us IRL you’d know there isn’t anything concerning there. I allow him some control when appropriate. Other things he has to learn to accept and move on. The reverse is also true. I can request he stay home from a night out just like he can request I don’t go rockhounding alone. We can talk about why we make these requests. Then we individually make our own choice and the other respects it. There is no “telling” the other no, even if we say the word. For what it’s worth, I have been actually abused. I have helped several friends recognize and escape abusive and controlling relationships. Have also helped several children (including many on the spectrum) process abusive parents. Those family members not in medicine are in counseling psychology (many including my mother with PhDs, very well respected in her field). It’s great that you are alert for red flags and warning signs. Rest assured I know them well and am well versed in the nuances, especially with those who struggle to verbalize thoughts and feelings.
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