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Post by jamesp on May 17, 2022 13:26:05 GMT -5
I see your point oregon. Good catch. The Institution for Creation Research article is highly generalized and void of many points found in the much more detailed Nature Paper. I was able to interpret the Creation Research article, lol the Nature paper quickly exceeded my educational limits. I would be very interested in how the omissions in the creation article affect the conclusion of this subject in layman's terms. I think the Nature Paper is saying that this particular animal has been known to have communal outhouses and that this behavior is not necessarily related to being corralled by a flooding situation.
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Post by mohs on May 17, 2022 14:24:18 GMT -5
I can understand that p.o.v jamespWere here for only a finite amount of time & & scientific thinking is trying to understand infinity w/ reason Ha actually it just occurred to me that the type of finite beings we are have always contemplated infinity Let it roll- ya know
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Post by oregon on May 17, 2022 14:34:56 GMT -5
I see your point oregon . Good catch. The Institution for Creation Research article is highly generalized and void of many points found in the much more detailed Nature Paper. I was able to interpret the Creation Research article, lol the Nature paper quickly exceeded my educational limits. I would be very interested in how the omissions in the creation article affect the conclusion of this subject in layman's terms. I think the Nature Paper is saying that this particular animal has been known to have communal outhouses and that this behavior is not necessarily related to being corralled by a flooding situation.
Yeah, This happens a lot. Referencing a peer reviewed scientific article to lend credence to entire speculation, unrelated conclusions. If it's on the internet is must be true. The Creation Research hypotheses are a load of dino crap ihmo. Nothing personal, I'm sure you can appreciate.
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Post by RWA3006 on May 17, 2022 15:27:39 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the interesting thoughts.
I first encountered this communal latrine phenomenon some years ago when I found a couple hot spots where the coprolites were so thick it looked like a "river" of cobblestones coming down the hillside. Naturally, I compared the sight with similar things I had seen in my youth raising livestock, mostly cows and horses. Most livestock ranches have areas where the manure is concentrated and the causes can be fence or barrier locations, traffic patterns, weather conditions, breeding influences, water availability, or any number of things.
Back on the ranch in cold and windy Wyoming our cows particularly spent most of the winter months on the South sides of willow patches because of the wind breaking qualities, plus the willows bounced a little solar radiation back at them. This is just one of many different cause/effect situations I observed in my limited experience. I'm sure there could be many factors involved in our dinosaur coprolite scenario.
When I first found a coprolite area that had potential of a communal nature I dismissed it as most likely the coprolites had been concentrated by erosion forces but now days I'm not so sure because of so many potential causes. I'll have to look in my photos to see if I have something insightful....
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Post by jamesp on May 17, 2022 15:29:53 GMT -5
I see your point oregon . Good catch. The Institution for Creation Research article is highly generalized and void of many points found in the much more detailed Nature Paper. I was able to interpret the Creation Research article, lol the Nature paper quickly exceeded my educational limits. I would be very interested in how the omissions in the creation article affect the conclusion of this subject in layman's terms. I think the Nature Paper is saying that this particular animal has been known to have communal outhouses and that this behavior is not necessarily related to being corralled by a flooding situation. Yeah, This happens a lot. Referencing a peer reviewed scientific article to lend credence to entire speculation, unrelated conclusions. If it's on the internet is must be true. The Creation Research hypotheses are a load of dino crap ihmo. Nothing personal, I'm sure you can appreciate.
Yes, I have 3 dogs and they all have their group dumping ground. I certainly appreciate your opinion, especially since you have the knowledge to interpret the Nature Paper as it scathed my brain and I barely arrived at the point you were making after considerable study (and guessing). It is good that you went to the source articles and were thorough in your logic path. That was a devious act of Creation Research to pick sections from the article. However I do have logical appreciation for some of their highlighted version points.
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Post by RWA3006 on May 17, 2022 15:49:38 GMT -5
Here's a shot where almost every rock smaller than a canteloupe on the hillside is coprolite. When I stumbled upon this I experienced sensory overload in trying to decide which ones would join my collection. I can easily envision a scenario where these were concentrated by a gregarious animal nature AND erosion influences.
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Post by jamesp on May 17, 2022 15:52:02 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying Ed. I am new to what has been written about the creation viewpoint but I have made observations in the field that make me wonder, such subjects as the Carolina Bays. My hydrology experience discounts what the geologists say about them in so many ways. That one got my attention. No big deal. Out of respect I cannot and will not bring a debate up on Randy's thread. I will say that if an entity has the power to cast meteors down, create earthquakes at will and move tectonic plates all with precise timing and calculated forces he could do things in a big hurry. Considering incredible entities like life and universe my mind sees a very serious force to reckon with. Whatever did all this is beyond me whether he did it in 6000 or 6 billion years.
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Post by jamesp on May 17, 2022 15:57:12 GMT -5
Here's a shot where almost every rock smaller than a canteloupe on the hillside is coprolite. When I stumbled upon this I experienced sensory overload in trying to decide which ones would join my collection. I can easily envision a scenario where these were concentrated by a gregarious animal nature AND erosion influences. This photo got my attention when you posted it earlier. The same thought went thru my mind, a group latrine or an erosion deposit. How to know what to pick ? I can't pity you for that decision, that would be a real nice challenge to enjoy. It would be nice to back a pick up truck to the site and load everyone of them up !
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Post by jasoninsd on May 17, 2022 23:43:42 GMT -5
Here's a shot where almost every rock smaller than a canteloupe on the hillside is coprolite. When I stumbled upon this I experienced sensory overload in trying to decide which ones would join my collection. I can easily envision a scenario where these were concentrated by a gregarious animal nature AND erosion influences. This photo got my attention when you posted it earlier. The same thought went thru my mind, a group latrine or an erosion deposit. How to know what to pick ?I can't pity you for that decision, that would be a real nice challenge to enjoy. It would be nice to back a pick up truck to the site and load everyone of them up ! If you're questioning which one to pick, and aren't sure which way to go...in this particular thread...always go number 2...it's just the thing to doo!
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Post by RickB on May 18, 2022 4:55:45 GMT -5
Surely there must be some fossil skid marks around that the hadrosaurs left behind while scooting their behinds on the Jurassic landscape.
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Post by RWA3006 on May 19, 2022 10:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by RickB on May 19, 2022 10:55:26 GMT -5
Nice pelletized specimen. What are the black features?
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Post by RWA3006 on May 19, 2022 11:10:53 GMT -5
Nice pelletized specimen. What are the black features? Rick, I believe they are a type of dendrite form derived from magnesium. I've noticed them in a fair number of specimens. I've also noticed that so many of the pellet features are often a reddish color.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 20:34:09 GMT -5
Here's a shot where almost every rock smaller than a canteloupe on the hillside is coprolite. When I stumbled upon this I experienced sensory overload in trying to decide which ones would join my collection. I can easily envision a scenario where these were concentrated by a gregarious animal nature AND erosion influences. That’s crazy Randy I never would have looked at those rocks from the outside and guessed they would be so pretty inside!
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Post by RWA3006 on May 19, 2022 21:44:40 GMT -5
Here's a shot where almost every rock smaller than a canteloupe on the hillside is coprolite. When I stumbled upon this I experienced sensory overload in trying to decide which ones would join my collection. I can easily envision a scenario where these were concentrated by a gregarious animal nature AND erosion influences. That’s crazy Randy I never would have looked at those rocks from the outside and guessed they would be so pretty inside! Well, actually the vast majority are not that beautiful. You have to factor in the fact that I'm extremely selective about which ones I take and I have crude skills about how to predict the attractiveness of most specimens. I know I'm talking in circles because these coprolites are difficult to judge, but through subtle nuances I can stack the odds in favor of getting above average specimens. Most photos I share here probably represent perhaps the top five percent of what's laying around.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 21:49:32 GMT -5
That’s interesting to know RWA3006 . Learn something new every day! You certainly have gotten it down to a real skill!
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Post by RWA3006 on May 21, 2022 8:34:01 GMT -5
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Post by RWA3006 on May 24, 2022 2:05:58 GMT -5
TURD TUESDAY I made this one into bookends and I like it because of the numerous cross sections of bug tunnels packed with bug coprolite.
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Post by RWA3006 on May 26, 2022 7:29:29 GMT -5
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Post by RWA3006 on May 28, 2022 19:47:28 GMT -5
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