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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2020 7:35:40 GMT -5
There is Borax, sugars and now a clay slurry for the vibe. Let's see how it does on glass since glass is so fidgety to polish. Hope your lower extremity is all healed up Bill.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2020 9:52:14 GMT -5
It has been 18 hours in k pectate 4 and SiC 500. Glass on left, 100% Mohs 7 media w/big tiger eye on right. Note glass has turned grey because it is so soft and the SiC 500 shaved a lot of material off the softer glass. The light brown slurry is no where as near fouled by the lesser amount of material removed from the much harder Mohs 7 batch on right. This type of reaction to abrasive is good knowledge to know when researching the abrasive process. This test is not about slow polishing glass but all about a fast tumble on Mohs 7 materials. No concern about the glass in this test. If it polishes then great...IMO it will not. I hope to do this schedule on the tiger eye and small Mohs 7 media using k pectate 4: 20 hours - SiC 500 vibe 24 hours - AO 220 vibe 12 hours - AO 14,000 polish vibe Shooting for a Tuesday ETA to get polish which would be a quick tumble. Because tumbling rocks takes a damn long time and too many things can go wrong.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2020 12:04:27 GMT -5
Tiger eye + Mohs 7 media started at 1pm in AO 220 and k pectate. This is the longest of the 3 vibe runs due to breaking down 220 grit all the way to 2000 to 5000 grit guessing(an ok polish). if it only takes 24 hours it will be unusual.
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Post by RocksInNJ on Sept 13, 2020 22:04:02 GMT -5
Glad to amuse RocksInNJ ! I hope the photos help create a 'believable' story lol. Was just watching with interest. 🙃
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Post by jamesp on Sept 14, 2020 8:23:01 GMT -5
Tiger eye + Mohs 7 media started at 1pm in AO 220 and k pectate. This is the longest of the 3 vibe runs due to breaking down 220 grit all the way to 2000 to 5000 grit guessing(an ok polish). if it only takes 24 hours it will be unusual. At 18 hours in AO 220 + k pectate 4, already have a decent pre-polish. By 2 pm in AO 220 this Mohs 7 stuff will be moved to polish and should shine up nice. Tomorrow will be the 8th day from start at rough. An 8 day tumble of a 1 pound 7 ounce big tumble from rough to polish ? Review of steps: 5 days in coarse SiC in rotary (pre-ground big tumble)(I think the shaping was done in 3rd or 4th day) 1 day SiC 500 in vibe w/k pectate 1 day AO 220 in vibe w/k pectate 1 day AO 14,000 in vibe w/k pectate Fingers crossed that the seemingly soft tiger eye will polish well.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 14, 2020 8:28:22 GMT -5
Glad to amuse RocksInNJ ! I hope the photos help create a 'believable' story lol. Was just watching with interest. 🙃 I stayed on top of this fast tumble RocksInNJ. I usually get side tracked with other stuff and let time lapse between steps. 4 clean outs in 4 days. A vibe polish in 3 days is real fast for any rock. Only a day in each of 3 abrasive steps.
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Sept 14, 2020 8:48:24 GMT -5
jamesp where do you purchase your AO?
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Post by Mel on Sept 14, 2020 12:39:45 GMT -5
Well that settles that, time for a vibe tumbler... Your results are amazing jamesp !
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Post by jamesp on Sept 14, 2020 19:09:12 GMT -5
Well that settles that, time for a vibe tumbler... Your results are amazing jamesp ! Check out the polish after only 3 hours Mel from Yuma & Spokane. The polish step is where the rubber meets the road. And I get to run 21 more hours to reach a 24 hour goal for the '1 day' polish step. What really surprised me is the glass polish is coming along as well as the hard Mohs 7 stuff. Not to mention the slurry has been too wet for my comfort zone. My first attempt at k pectate slurry and the dosage is an unknown at this point. at 3 hours in polish + k pectate
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Post by jamesp on Sept 14, 2020 19:14:32 GMT -5
jamesp where do you purchase your AO? The AO 14,000 polish came from the Rock Shed. I believe I used the AO 220 from the Abrasive Armory on EBAY, but I have several different AO 220's. They all perform the same. I believe the better question is where did I purchase the Kaolin Pectate. Just saying, this stuff works miracles.
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Post by rockstock on Sept 14, 2020 19:43:21 GMT -5
Very interesting stuff, thanks for experimenting and sharing! Did you buy it from a place that charges approximately $10 in shipping per bottle?
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Post by knave on Sept 14, 2020 19:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by EricD on Sept 14, 2020 20:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Sept 15, 2020 4:40:30 GMT -5
Very interesting stuff, thanks for experimenting and sharing! Did you buy it from a place that charges approximately $10 in shipping per bottle? You guys wait to see how powdered kaolin works. It is much cheaper and may be available from a pottery supply store near you. They may order it for you and save on shipping by bringing it in from a warehouse. Unlike a powdered form this liquid form is a problem in that it can not be thickened easily. You can probably 'brew your own' gallon for pennies from potter's grade kaolin. 20% kaolin powder and 80% water should make a fine liquid slurry suspension equivalent to this Kaolin Pectate 4. No need to have an expensive food grade kaolin brew like k pectate. This company is sending a few pounds of this processed kaolin for me to try. Darn inexpensive.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 15, 2020 5:03:31 GMT -5
This gallon was received from a veterinarian friend to treat our puppies for diarrhea. Not sure where she got it from. Problem is that it took 3 cups to run SiC 500, AO 220, AO polish on 8 pounds of rock in the vibe. 1 cup each step. There is only 16 cups in a gallon. And apparently only 4 cups kaolin in each gallon. There should be over 200 cups worth of powdered kaolin in a 50 pound bag. Equivalent to 50 gallons of Kaolin Pectate 4.
After all it is just clay that is mined near pure by the megaton. The bagged source above is mined out of Florida and may be silica free straight out of the ground.
Even if it had some small quartz particles an SiC 220 or SiC 500 step in the vibe may grind it into oblivion.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 15, 2020 5:28:00 GMT -5
In middle Georgia our clay roads are predominately kaolin clay. It it so slick when wet we have to use narrow 'mud tires' to get traction on it. Narrow tires with knobbies to dig into the tacky slick clay and grab. And preferably a high revving powerful engine to spin the tires up to sling the mud out of the tire knobs to expose the traction knobs should they fill. If the knobs plug up when you start up a hill with momentum you may find yourself sliding backward back down the hill if you do not crest the top of the slope lol. This usually ends in disaster.
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Post by RickB on Sept 15, 2020 5:35:04 GMT -5
In middle Georgia our clay roads are predominately kaolin clay. It it so slick when wet we have to use narrow 'mud tires' to get traction on it. Narrow tires with knobbies to dig into the tacky slick clay and grab. And preferably a high revving powerful engine to spin the tires up to sling the mud out of the tire knobs to expose the traction knobs should they fill. If the knobs plug up when you start up a hill with momentum you may find yourself sliding backward back down the hill if you do not crest the top of the slope lol. This usually ends in disaster. Been there and done that at an earlier time. Have slid off the side of the road into a ditch or back down a hill on that slick clay. Tractor pulled me out both times.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 15, 2020 5:37:47 GMT -5
In middle Georgia our clay roads are predominately kaolin clay. It it so slick when wet we have to use narrow 'mud tires' to get traction on it. Narrow tires with knobbies to dig into the tacky slick clay and grab. And preferably a high revving powerful engine to spin the tires up to sling the mud out of the tire knobs to expose the traction knobs should they fill. If the knobs plug up when you start up a hill with momentum you may find yourself sliding backward back down the hill if you do not crest the top of the slope lol. This usually ends in disaster. Been there and done that at an earlier time. Have slid off the side of the road into a ditch or back down a hill on that slick clay. Tractor pulled me out both times. Heritage RickB. Look familiar: A mile from the house. Who else has clay that will leave tracks for 2 miles on a paved road lol ? www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157677555401035
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Post by RickB on Sept 15, 2020 5:42:36 GMT -5
A young redneck's rite of passage here in the sunny Southeast.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 15, 2020 5:45:03 GMT -5
A young redneck's rite of passage here in the sunny Southeast.
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