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Post by jasoninsd on Mar 26, 2021 22:33:36 GMT -5
I acquired this lot and it was listed as "old stock". I have bought from this seller several times before. I believe he really did make a decent sized acquisition of some pretty old school material. None of the material was labeled. I think most of his acquisitions have come from the Oregon area, so I'm guessing maybe these too are from the area. If anyone has any positive IDs on any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Pic 1 - (EDIT - DETERMINED TO BE NOREENA! ) I saw this in the box and thought maybe it was unlabeled Noreena. However a recent post from Kevin ( jasperfanatic ) makes me think this could be Owyhee (Gem Red?)... Pic 2 - Pretty soft material. Pic 3 - I only took a face cut off this one. It seemed to shatter kind of like Mookaite can do when cut. Definitely harder than #2. Pic 4 - Seems to be a picture jasper of some kind. Pretty deep and dark browns in there. Pic 5 - Makes the saw bleed black! Gorgeous material. Pic 6 - Relatively soft and does have fractures... Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4 Picture 5 Picture 6
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Post by stephan on Mar 26, 2021 23:16:07 GMT -5
#1 is Noreena for sure #3 could be Marsten Ranch wood #4 is probably Deschutes jasper, or maybe Biggs (very nice acquisition, either way!). I have a hard time with those two.
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Post by jasoninsd on Mar 26, 2021 23:25:46 GMT -5
#1 is Noreena for sure #3 could be Marsten Ranch wood #4 is probably Deschutes jasper, or maybe Biggs (very nice acquisition, either way!). I have a hard time with those two. Well, I'm stoked Number 1 is Noreena! That means my initial thought was correct! Whoot Whoot! However, that shoots the idea out the window that these were Oregon based jaspers! LOL (It seems to be a super nice piece with patterns that look like it will go through the entire piece. ) I just Googled both Deschutes and Biggs...both of them have the similar dark colors and patterns as Number 4. I think I can get 4 or maybe 5 slabs off this piece.
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Post by stephan on Mar 26, 2021 23:28:26 GMT -5
3 and 4 seem to be from Oregon.
#2 is tugging at something in the brain that I can’t place right now. #5 and #6 could be from everywhere.
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Post by jasperfanatic on Mar 27, 2021 1:50:42 GMT -5
Yes, #1 is definitely Noreena, and a pretty chunk at that! Not sure about the others but #3 looks yummy.
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Post by Peruano on Mar 27, 2021 6:09:46 GMT -5
The overall color pattern of number two looks like a lot of the stones that I call mushroom rhyolite, but thats just a handy title without much street cred. It can produce wonderful patterns but sometimes insists on staying with a matt finish and even undercutting those white orbs.
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Post by Brian on Mar 27, 2021 6:24:50 GMT -5
Like usual, I can’t help one iota with the IDing, but I would like to say that is one gorgeous batch of rocks you got in that lot! I can’t wait to see all of the good things that come from it!
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Post by miket on Mar 27, 2021 7:11:26 GMT -5
Very nice grab, Jason.
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Post by Tommy on Mar 27, 2021 8:52:58 GMT -5
(1) has been positively id'd.
(2) looks dead-on to me like a type of birds-eye rhyolite that originates in N.CA up near Alturas. It differs from the industry common-name birds-eye rhyolite out of Mexico because it doesn't have the distinctive target 'eyes' that the MX stuff has. As was mentioned above it could also be industry common-name mushroom rhyolite but it would be a pretty low grade that hasn't developed the distinctive mushrooms and interspersed red colors.
(3)(5)(6) could be from just about anywhere in the western US. (3) I've seen that distinctive layer pattern a number of times in Lavic jasper. I will try to scare up a photo of a piece I have but don't hold your breath for too long. (5) looks dead-on like the hematite laden "dirty jasper" as I call it that originates all over CA but in particular around Stony Creek/Burris Creek.
(4) I have no idea... somebody said Biggs so maybe explore that one more with some close-up photos, but it looks odd to be any picture jasper with those dark lines between segments. Maybe some kind of shrink wood?
Please don't take this the wrong way - I'm not trying to be negative or diss your purchase, but the seller calling this lot "old stock" is disingenuous if you ask me. (1) Noreena jasper is definitely not old stock. When the Aussies show up at Quartzsite every year they have tons and tons of this stuff and your piece looks exactly the same as what they are still piling on the market today. Further, with the possible exception of (4) these look to be very common materials. It very well could be that he purchased an old estate collection but I think the spirit of the term "old stock" is used way too loosely to impart a perception of value in the pieces.
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 27, 2021 9:26:08 GMT -5
I'm gonna agree with Tommy and say that 2 is a low grade mushroom jasper. I say that because of the blue shades in it. They look the same as mushroom jasper (rhyolite). It tried to have the right pattern and never got there. That particular slab is missing the red too, which is why I think it is just a low grade slab. I've seen plenty like it advertised as mushroom jasper.
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Post by Peruano on Mar 27, 2021 10:12:17 GMT -5
Ironically almost all rocks are old in relative terms and being stored in someone's garage for 30 years does not enhance them. It may mean they didn't have to dig as deep or carry them so far to get back to the car. Just saying.
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Post by wpotterw on Mar 27, 2021 16:01:13 GMT -5
I acquired this lot and it was listed as "old stock". I have bought from this seller several times before. I believe he really did make a decent sized acquisition of some pretty old school material. None of the material was labeled. I think most of his acquisitions have come from the Oregon area, so I'm guessing maybe these too are from the area. If anyone has any positive IDs on any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Pic 1 - I saw this in the box and thought maybe it was unlabeled Noreena. However a recent post from Kevin ( jasperfanatic ) makes me think this could be Owyhee (Gem Red?)... Pic 2 - Pretty soft material. Pic 3 - I only took a face cut off this one. It seemed to shatter kind of like Mookaite can do when cut. Definitely harder than #2. Pic 4 - Seems to be a picture jasper of some kind. Pretty deep and dark browns in there. Pic 5 - Makes the saw bleed black! Gorgeous material. Pic 6 - Relatively soft and does have fractures... Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4 Picture 5 Picture 6 Wow. I covet #4. That looks like some high-grade Royal Sahara Jasper I have seen elsewhere.
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Post by jasoninsd on Mar 27, 2021 20:47:46 GMT -5
3 and 4 seem to be from Oregon. #2 is tugging at something in the brain that I can’t place right now. #5 and #6 could be from everywhere. Number 2 has a couple thoughts of Birdseye or Mushroom...does that release the tug? Yes, #1 is definitely Noreena, and a pretty chunk at that! Not sure about the others but #3 looks yummy. I am pleased as punch with that hunk of Noreena! I've only worked one other piece of it that I got from Tommy...and have been dying to get my hands on some again. My dad decided that was the one cab that he wanted...so I had to cough that up and give it to him! The overall color pattern of number two looks like a lot of the stones that I call mushroom rhyolite, but thats just a handy title without much street cred. It can produce wonderful patterns but sometimes insists on staying with a matt finish and even undercutting those white orbs. I just did a google search of mushroom rhyolite. I've seen it before, but I didn't think this was a close match. However, after going through a bunch of pics on google, I can see a definite resemblance! Like usual, I can’t help one iota with the IDing, but I would like to say that is one gorgeous batch of rocks you got in that lot! I can’t wait to see all of the good things that come from it! I'm still struggling with IDing rocks...obviously! LOL I'm pretty stoked to work every one of these. There's some really cool material in this lot...at least to me it is! Thanks Mike!!! I had my eye on that piece of Noreena in the auction pics...I figured the rest was just icing on the cake! LOL I'm gonna agree with Tommy and say that 2 is a low grade mushroom jasper. I say that because of the blue shades in it. They look the same as mushroom jasper (rhyolite). It tried to have the right pattern and never got there. That particular slab is missing the red too, which is why I think it is just a low grade slab. I've seen plenty like it advertised as mushroom jasper. Thanks for chiming in on this Tela! I can definitely see this one being a "wanna be" something special...but just never got there! Ironically almost all rocks are old in relative terms and being stored in someone's garage for 30 years does not enhance them. It may mean they didn't have to dig as deep or carry them so far to get back to the car. Just saying. LOL - I've said that before..."Aren't they all old-stock!" LOL One of the funniest things I like seeing is eBay auctions for rough or slabs with the material being listed as "NEW"! LOL Wow. I covet #4. That looks like some high-grade Royal Sahara Jasper I have seen elsewhere. I just looked up Royal Sahara Jasper...man, it really does have some serious resemblance to that! It's a small piece and I'll be lucky to get 4-5 slabs out of it...but will cherish each one I get! (1) has been positively id'd. (2) looks dead-on to me like a type of birds-eye rhyolite that originates in N.CA up near Alturas. It differs from the industry common-name birds-eye rhyolite out of Mexico because it doesn't have the distinctive target 'eyes' that the MX stuff has. As was mentioned above it could also be industry common-name mushroom rhyolite but it would be a pretty low grade that hasn't developed the distinctive mushrooms and interspersed red colors. (3)(5)(6) could be from just about anywhere in the western US. (3) I've seen that distinctive layer pattern a number of times in Lavic jasper. I will try to scare up a photo of a piece I have but don't hold your breath for too long. (5) looks dead-on like the hematite laden "dirty jasper" as I call it that originates all over CA but in particular around Stony Creek/Burris Creek. (4) I have no idea... somebody said Biggs so maybe explore that one more with some close-up photos, but it looks odd to be any picture jasper with those dark lines between segments. Maybe some kind of shrink wood? Please don't take this the wrong way - I'm not trying to be negative or diss your purchase, but the seller calling this lot "old stock" is disingenuous if you ask me. (1) Noreena jasper is definitely not old stock. When the Aussies show up at Quartzsite every year they have tons and tons of this stuff and your piece looks exactly the same as what they are still piling on the market today. Further, with the possible exception of (4) these look to be very common materials. It very well could be that he purchased an old estate collection but I think the spirit of the term "old stock" is used way too loosely to impart a perception of value in the pieces. Tommy, seriously thank you for chiming in on all these! I could see how Number 2 could have "migrated" up to Oregon if it came from NorCal...and by migrated, I mean moved by human intervention! I looked up Lavic Jasper for Number 3 - I can see a color resemblance to the pics on google...and I will bug you endlessly for that photo you have! (kidding - I appreciate the help! ) Number 5 is definitely "dirty"! It immediately started making the water in the saw black! The colors within the black are pretty astounding though. Pic didn't do it justice. Okay now to the "Don't take this the wrong way" comment... I completely understand and now actually agree with your comments about the seller. I trust the members on this forum for their insight and knowledge about materials like these. I think this kind of auction description is a great reason why the "Old Stock" thread was created by stephan. It's needed to help protect knuckleheads like myself! LOL Oh and I absolutely did NOT take your comments the wrong way. I don't normally have anal injuries over much of anything...and if I ever do, I'll just get some of these:
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Mar 27, 2021 21:38:39 GMT -5
jasoninsd I hope you don't have to use those band aids, but #4 is definitely not Royal Sahara. Royal Sahara forms in a nodule and I have never seen a piece of it (and I've cut a lot of it) that has orange in it. Browns, tans and blues are the only colors.
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Post by jasoninsd on Mar 27, 2021 21:48:19 GMT -5
jasoninsd I hope you don't have to use those band aids, but #4 is definitely not Royal Sahara. Royal Sahara forms in a nodule and I have never seen a piece of it (and I've cut a lot of it) that has orange in it. Browns, tans and blues are the only colors. Great! Applying band-aid number one! LOL (Not!) Of course I was hoping it was Royal Sahara...but my expectations weren't as high as my hopes! LOL I am going to have to get another look at it. Now that you pointed out the orange...
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Post by stephan on Mar 27, 2021 22:34:46 GMT -5
Let’s see... For #2, nope... neither birds eye nor mushroom rhyolite are triggering anything. I have some of both (the Mexico variety) and neither looks anything like that. Something more along the lines of a worm-wood, maybe? IDK. Still can’t think of it. Stupid CRS. Excuse me, I’m going to go hide my Easter eggs... Ok, I’m back, where were we? Oh, yes, #4... could be shrink wood, like Tommy said, but I’m still thinking Biggs or Deschutes (which would partially redeem the seller on the “old stock” claim. One in five ain’t bad... if you’re a baseball player ). And for migrating rocks... don’t forget about fully-laden swallows.
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Post by jasoninsd on Apr 1, 2021 13:32:51 GMT -5
Tommy - I slabbed Number 5 today...the one you referred to as possibly being Dirty Jasper. This is what it started looking like inside. I only got seven small slabs and three of them looked like the following pic. Do you still think Dirty Jasper? (Anyone else can chime in too...this isn't JUST for Tommy! )
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 1, 2021 13:55:47 GMT -5
Tommy - I slabbed Number 5 today...the one you referred to as possibly being Dirty Jasper. This is what it started looking like inside. I only got seven small slabs and three of them looked like the following pic. Do you still think Dirty Jasper? (Anyone else can chime in too...this isn't JUST for Tommy! ) That's a nice looking agate.
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Post by miket on Apr 1, 2021 14:03:48 GMT -5
Tommy - I slabbed Number 5 today...the one you referred to as possibly being Dirty Jasper. This is what it started looking like inside. I only got seven small slabs and three of them looked like the following pic. Do you still think Dirty Jasper? (Anyone else can chime in too...this isn't JUST for Tommy! ) I'm pretty sure that's called Fantastic Jasper. Yeah, that's probably it.
That's going to make one hell of a cab. Sir.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 1, 2021 14:40:11 GMT -5
Tommy - I slabbed Number 5 today...the one you referred to as possibly being Dirty Jasper. This is what it started looking like inside. I only got seven small slabs and three of them looked like the following pic. Do you still think Dirty Jasper? (Anyone else can chime in too...this isn't JUST for Tommy! ) *boom!* drop the mic son and walk away... No. No, that is definitely not dirty jasper. That looks like what miket said - fantastic jasper with a big ole beautiful pocket of plume agate in it. I did not see that coming
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