Eye on the prize

[vegasjames]

Jan 28, 2022 21:29:08 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Jan 28, 2022 19:42:08 GMT -5 vegasjames said:

No, did not break the fingers. Just severe crush injuries and peeled the skin on the one finger up to by the fingertip.  Still have nerve damage in both fingers and the one nail has not grown since and still bulges up. Otherwise, they healed pretty well. At one point they started to smell like gangrene was setting in so I started doing ozone therapy on my hand, which stops gangrene and promotes rapid healing among other benefits.  After the first treatment I was was able to move my hand about a third of the way. By the third treatment I had full use of my hand and the skin filled back in under the peeled up skin complete with finger prints and so i was just able to cut off the skin that peeled up.

Good save on the fingers! That sounds like a really nasty wound. I had to go to a wound clinic with a hyperbaric chamber. Thank goodness I didn't end up needing it. Turns out that tinolol heals wounds. It's actually eye drops for glaucoma, but it healed my ulcers. 

Yes, Timolol is a nonselective beta blocker used to treat high blood pressure, angina, migraines and reduce intraocular pressure.

I have had an interest in hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) since I was really young. First learned about it when I took up scuba diving when I was 11. Back then our closest chamber was a Navy chamber in San Diego. And it was in use then you were screwed if you needed it for a diving accident. Since it had so many other uses including healing of some infections, wound healing, burns, carbon monoxide poisoning, etc. I was interested in getting chambers locally. One of our local hospitals has chambers now.

Although, in the majority of cases I prefer ozone therapy, which has the same properties as HBOT plus more. For example, HBOT promotes cancer growth through the stimulation of angiogenesis, but does not kill cancer cells.  Ozone therapy on the other hand also stimulates angiogenesis, which promotes rapid healing, but at the same time ozone therapy rapidly and selectively destroys cancer cells in a chain reaction.  I also like ozone therapy because it is easy to use at home and self administer. It is backed by numerous medical studies for a variety of diseases and conditions including cancer, covid, dental issues, spinal disc issues, fibromyalgia, wound healing, MRSA infections, trigeminal neuralgia, HIV infection, Ebola, etc.

Ozone therapy has been around since 1892 and came to the U.S. in 1898. Back then it was used for speeding the healing of battlefield wounds, but kind of fell out of favor due to the lack of ozone resistant materials for delivery. These days we have a variety of ozone resistant materials but big pharma has done everything they can to squash ozone therapy since it competes with so many expensive, dangerous and often worthless drugs being sold by big pharma.

Here is a fraction of the medical studies I have for ozone therapy from a post I did elsewhere.

Ozone therapy in 65 patients with fibromyalgia: an effective therapy

www.europeanreview.org/article/17141


Ozone studies for the treatment of Covid-19:

Compassionate Use of Rectal Ozone (O3) in Severe COVID-19 Pneumonia: a Case-Control Study

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33778374/


Effect of Rectal Ozone (O3) in Severe COVID-19 Pneumonia: Preliminary Results

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32838181/


Ozone (O3) and SARS-CoV-2: Physiological Bases and Their Therapeutic Possibilities According to COVID-19 Evolutionary Stage

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340747/


Old Treatment for a New Disease: Can Rectal Ozone Insufflation Be Used for COVID-19 Management? A Case Report

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8046266/


Oxygen-ozone (O 2-O 3) immunoceutical therapy for patients with COVID-19. Preliminary evidence reported

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7414302/


Potential Role of Oxygen-Ozone Therapy in Treatment of COVID-19 Pneumonia

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7476746/


Rationale for ozone-therapy as an adjuvant therapy in COVID-19: a narrative review

www.medgasres.com/article.asp?issn=2045-9912;year=2020;volume=10;issue=3;spage=134;epage=138;aulast=Ranaldi



Ozone therapy for patients with COVID-19 pneumonia: Preliminary report of a prospective case-control study

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833586/



Blood ozonization in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 pneumonia: a single centre experience

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7603641/



Studies of ozone therapy for spinal disc issues:

Six-Month Results of Cervical Intradiscal Oxygen-Ozone Mixture Therapy on Patients with Neck Pain: Preliminary Findings

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30045611/


Treatment of the lumbar disc herniation with intradiscal and intraforaminal injection of oxygen-ozone

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23893147/


Efficacy of Intradiscal Ozone Therapy with or without Periforaminal Steroid Injection on Lumbar Disc Herniation: A Double-Blinded Controlled Study

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32967390/



Intradiscal O 2 O 3: Rationale, Injection Technique, Short- and Long-term Outcomes for the Treatment of Low Back Pain Due to Disc Herniation

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28438284/


The Major Efficient Mechanisms of Ozone Therapy are Obtained in Intradiscal Procedures

www.painphysicianjournal.com/current/pdf?article=MTgwNA%3D%3D&journal=71


Efficacy and Safety of Percutaneous Ozone Injection Around Gasserian Ganglion for the Treatment of Trigeminal Neuralgia: A Multicenter Retrospective Study

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7210028/





Ozone Therapy Protects Against Rejection in a Lung Transplantation Model: A New Treatment? www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003497517303600


Mechanisms of Action Involved in Ozone Therapy: Is healing induced via a mild oxidative stress?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3298518/


Ozone therapy: A clinical review

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312702/


Ozone Therapy as Adjuvant for Cancer Treatment: Is Further Research Warranted?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6151231/



Modulation of Oxidative Stress by Ozone Therapy in the Prevention and Treatment of Chemotherapy-Induced Toxicity: Review and Prospects

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31779159/




Studies on efficacy of ozone therapy for diabetic foot wounds:


pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21751891/


www.researchgate.net/publication/263256085_


www.researchgate.net/publication/327865067_




Ozone use in veterinary medicine:


www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0034528820300564


ivcjournal.com/ozone-therapy-in-the-veterinary-practice/


michvma.org/resources/Documents/MVC/2017%20Proceedings/roman%2001.pdf




www.doktermulder.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Madrid-Declaration.pdf



Ozone therapy for MRSA infection studies:


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29207120


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5783482/



Insights on the mechanisms of action of ozone in the medical therapy against COVID-19


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8112288/



The Role of Nrf2 in the Antioxidant Cellular Response to Medical Ozone Exposure


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6720777/



The possibilities of using the effects of ozone therapy in neurology


pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33932964/



www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7403859


Science. 1980 Aug 22;209(4459):931-3.


Ozone selectively inhibits growth of human cancer cells.


Sweet F, Kao MS, Lee SC, Hagar WL, Sweet WE.


Abstract The growth of human cancer cells from lung, breast, and uterine tumors was selectively inhibited in a dose-dependent manner by ozone at 0.3 to 0.8 part per million of ozone in ambient air during 8 days of culture. Human lung diploid fibroblasts served as noncancerous control cells. The presence of ozone at 0.3 to 0.5 part per million inhibited cancer cell growth 40 and 60 percent, respectively. The noncancerous lung cells were unaffected at these levels. Exposure to ozone at 0.8 part per million inhibited cancer cell growth more than 90 percent and control cell growth less than 50 percent. Evidently, the mechanisms for defense against ozone damage are impaired in human cancer cells.



The Clinical Application of Ozonetherapy
link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-90-481-9234-2_9


Effectiveness of a Short-Term Treatment of Oxygen-Ozone Therapy into Healing in a Posttraumatic Wound
www.hindawi.com/journals/crim/2016/9528572/


Ozone Therapy in Cancer Treatment: State of the Art

www.researchgate.net/publication/249034162_Ozone_Therapy_in_Cancer_Treatment_State_of_the_Art


Mechanisms of Action Involved in Ozone Therapy: Is healing induced via a mild oxidative stress?
medicalgasresearch.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2045-9912-1-29#Sec24


Modulation of Oxidative Stress by Ozone Therapy in the Prevention and Treatment of Chemotherapy-Induced Toxicity: Review and Prospects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6943601/


Modulation by Ozone Therapy of Oxidative Stress in Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy: The Background for a Randomized Clinical Trial
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7998838/


The effect of rectal ozone on the portal vein oxygenation and pharmacokinetics of propranolol in liver cirrhosis (a preliminary human study)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3045550/


Response of patients with chronic hepatitis B in one year of treatment with major autohemotherapy
dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=7038257


Effect of ozone therapy on muscle oxygenation
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12804078/


Oxygen–Ozone Therapy in the Rehabilitation Field:State of the Art on Mechanisms of Action, Safety and Effectiveness in Patients with Musculoskeletal Disorders
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996934/


Integration of focal vibration and intra-articular oxygen-ozone therapy in rehabilitation of painful knee osteoarthritis
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33641438/


Rapid resolution of hemorrhagic fever (Ebola) in Sierra Leone with ozone therapy
www.ajol.info/index.php/ajid/article/view/126773

The immune response behavior in HIV-AIDS patients treated with ozone therapy for two years
roderic.uv.es/handle/10550/72131

Virion disruption by ozone-mediated reactive oxygen species
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18598719/

The ozone paradox: Ozone is a strong oxidant as well as a medical drug
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/med.20150

Oxygen-ozone therapy as support and palliative therapy in 50 cancer patients with fatigue – A short report
www.europeanreview.org/article/16432

Bisphosphonate-related osteonecrosis of the jaw (BRONJ): 5 year experience in the treatment of 131 cases with ozone therapy
www.europeanreview.org/article/2394

Safety, pitfalls, and misunderstandings about the use of ozone therapy as a regenerative medicine tool. A narrative review.
europepmc.org/article/MED/33176412

Studies on the biological effects of ozone 1. Induction of interferon gamma on human leucocytes
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2129118/


Studies on the biological effects of ozone: 2. Induction of tumor necrosis factor (TNF-alpha) on human leucocytes
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1768744/




More ozone for Covid studies:

Recovery of Four COVID-19 Patients via Ozonated Autohemotherapy
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7609231/

Potential Cytoprotective Activity of Ozone Therapy in SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7278582/

Effectiveness of ozone therapy in addition to conventional treatment on mortality in patients with COVID‐19
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8236993/

Ozone (O3) and SARS-CoV-2: Physiological Bases and Their Therapeutic Possibilities According to COVID-19 Evolutionary Stage
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340747/

Ozone (O3) and SARS-CoV-2: Physiological Bases and Their Therapeutic Possibilities According to COVID-19 Evolutionary Stage
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340747/

Effect of Rectal Ozone (O3) in Severe COVID-19 Pneumonia: Preliminary Results
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7397966/

Potential Cytoprotective Activity of Ozone Therapy in SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7278582/

Potential Cytoprotective Activity of Ozone Therapy in SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

www.researchgate.net/publication/341211936_Potential_cytoprotective_activity_of_ozone_therapy_in_SARS-CoV-2COVID-19


Recent case studies on the use of ozone to combat coronavirus: Problems and perspectives
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7733684/


Old Treatment for a New Disease: Can Rectal Ozone Insufflation Be Used for COVID-19 Management? A Case Report
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8046266/


Oxygen-ozone (O 2-O 3) immunoceutical therapy for patients with COVID-19. Preliminary evidence reported
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32795898/


Ozone therapy for the treatment of COVID-19 pneumonia: A scoping review
europepmc.org/article/PMC/PMC7752030

Ozone eliminates novel coronavirus Sars-CoV-2 in mucosal samples
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34336226/

Blood ozonization in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 pneumonia: a single centre experience
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7603641/



Note that this study not only shows they knew the benefits of ozone therapy for Covid in the early days of Covid, but also recommended it. Yet, like all other proven therapies it was dismissed only to focus solely on dangerous to deadly experimental vaccines.:

Rationale for ozone-therapy as an adjuvant therapy in COVID-19: a narrative review
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8086623/

[rockjunquie]

Timolol, yes, that's what I meant. Works a charm. Gotta love off label uses.

That's a lot of links. I have to go back and look at the ones for the lower back.

I don't want to comment on the Covid ones other than to say the links are from quite reputable sources. I have no problem with a lot of alternative med, but I don't want this to end up in the Cave. Some people are sensitive about the subject.

Edit to tag   vegasjames

[vegasjames]

Jan 28, 2022 23:38:33 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Timolol, yes, that's what I meant. Works a charm. Gotta love off label uses.

That's a lot of links. I have to go back and look at the ones for the lower back.

I don't want to comment on the Covid ones other than to say the links are from quite reputable sources. I have no problem with a lot of alternative med, but I don't want this to end up in the Cave. Some people are sensitive about the subject.

Edit to tag   vegasjames

If by lower back you mean something like degenerative disc disease then the primary focus should be on silica supplementation as orthosilicic acid (OA).  OA is the source of silica absorbed and utilized by the body. It is needed for the production of the structural proteins collagen, elastin and chondroitin, is needed for proper nervous system function and is responsible for the movement of minerals in to the collagen matrix of bone thereby hardening bone through mineralization. Silica levels decline with age due to a decline of stomach acid from decreased methylation. This leads to a decline in the conversion of silica in to OA resulting in conditions such as degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteopenia, osteomalacia, osteoarthritis, emphysema, diverticullitis, atherosclerosis, wrinkles, etc. from a loss of structural proteins.

Easiest way to get OA is with food grade diatomaceous earth. I add a spoonful of the DE to a gallon of water and let it settle out. Will take about 4 days initially. Then I pour the water off from the "mud" on the bottom of the container and drink that water as my normal water. As the water in the container goes down I add more water and let it settle out again just repeating this process over and over. Each time new water is added, being solvent it dissolves traces of the silica in the DE forming OA. A spoonful of DE will usually last a couple of years but I usually change it out with fresh DE about every 6 months or so.

A good sign you are absorbing the OA is that the nails get very hard after about a week or so.

Vitamin C is the second most common deficiency leading to a loss of structural proteins.  Natural sources are generally much more effective than synthetic ascorbic acid as natural sources tend to be much more stable in most cases, with few exceptions such as camu camu, and natural sources also contain synergistic bioflavonoids.

The amino acids involved (lysine, hydroxylysine, proline, hydroxyproline and glycine) involved in the formation of these structural proteins rarely become deficient.

[rockjunquie]

Jan 29, 2022 0:36:07 GMT -5 vegasjames said:

Jan 28, 2022 23:38:33 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Timolol, yes, that's what I meant. Works a charm. Gotta love off label uses.

That's a lot of links. I have to go back and look at the ones for the lower back.

I don't want to comment on the Covid ones other than to say the links are from quite reputable sources. I have no problem with a lot of alternative med, but I don't want this to end up in the Cave. Some people are sensitive about the subject.

Edit to tag   vegasjames

If by lower back you mean something like degenerative disc disease then the primary focus should be on silica supplementation as orthosilicic acid (OA).  OA is the source of silica absorbed and utilized by the body. It is needed for the production of the structural proteins collagen, elastin and chondroitin, is needed for proper nervous system function and is responsible for the movement of minerals in to the collagen matrix of bone thereby hardening bone through mineralization. Silica levels decline with age due to a decline of stomach acid from decreased methylation. This leads to a decline in the conversion of silica in to OA resulting in conditions such as degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteopenia, osteomalacia, osteoarthritis, emphysema, diverticullitis, atherosclerosis, wrinkles, etc. from a loss of structural proteins.

Easiest way to get OA is with food grade diatomaceous earth. I add a spoonful of the DE to a gallon of water and let it settle out. Will take about 4 days initially. Then I pour the water off from the "mud" on the bottom of the container and drink that water as my normal water. As the water in the container goes down I add more water and let it settle out again just repeating this process over and over. Each time new water is added, being solvent it dissolves traces of the silica in the DE forming OA. A spoonful of DE will usually last a couple of years but I usually change it out with fresh DE about every 6 months or so.

A good sign you are absorbing the OA is that the nails get very hard after about a week or so.

Vitamin C is the second most common deficiency leading to a loss of structural proteins.  Natural sources are generally much more effective than synthetic ascorbic acid as natural sources tend to be much more stable in most cases, with few exceptions such as camu camu, and natural sources also contain synergistic bioflavonoids.

The amino acids involved (lysine, hydroxylysine, proline, hydroxyproline and glycine) involved in the formation of these structural proteins rarely become deficient.

Believe it or not, I understood a lot of that. My brother is up on a lot of alternative medicine and therapies. He talks about it a lot and I think I'm learning through osmosis. I haven't tried the DE myself, though I think he has. I think a doc said I have DDD, but I have other things going on in my back- old injuries, slipped/bulging discs, osteopenia and  psoriatic arthritis. One of my lumbar disks vertebra is flat. I think it came from three pregnancies. I also have issues with my SI joints (sacroilliitis). So, yeah, I'm just pretty much fubar. LOL! I'm gonna talk to my bro about the DE and see if he still has some I can have.

[vegasjames]

Jan 29, 2022 0:47:29 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Jan 29, 2022 0:36:07 GMT -5 vegasjames said:

If by lower back you mean something like degenerative disc disease then the primary focus should be on silica supplementation as orthosilicic acid (OA).  OA is the source of silica absorbed and utilized by the body. It is needed for the production of the structural proteins collagen, elastin and chondroitin, is needed for proper nervous system function and is responsible for the movement of minerals in to the collagen matrix of bone thereby hardening bone through mineralization. Silica levels decline with age due to a decline of stomach acid from decreased methylation. This leads to a decline in the conversion of silica in to OA resulting in conditions such as degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteopenia, osteomalacia, osteoarthritis, emphysema, diverticullitis, atherosclerosis, wrinkles, etc. from a loss of structural proteins.

Easiest way to get OA is with food grade diatomaceous earth. I add a spoonful of the DE to a gallon of water and let it settle out. Will take about 4 days initially. Then I pour the water off from the "mud" on the bottom of the container and drink that water as my normal water. As the water in the container goes down I add more water and let it settle out again just repeating this process over and over. Each time new water is added, being solvent it dissolves traces of the silica in the DE forming OA. A spoonful of DE will usually last a couple of years but I usually change it out with fresh DE about every 6 months or so.

A good sign you are absorbing the OA is that the nails get very hard after about a week or so.

Vitamin C is the second most common deficiency leading to a loss of structural proteins.  Natural sources are generally much more effective than synthetic ascorbic acid as natural sources tend to be much more stable in most cases, with few exceptions such as camu camu, and natural sources also contain synergistic bioflavonoids.

The amino acids involved (lysine, hydroxylysine, proline, hydroxyproline and glycine) involved in the formation of these structural proteins rarely become deficient.

Believe it or not, I understood a lot of that. My brother is up on a lot of alternative medicine and therapies. He talks about it a lot and I think I'm learning through osmosis. I haven't tried the DE myself, though I think he has. I think a doc said I have DDD, but I have other things going on in my back- old injuries, slipped/bulging discs, osteopenia and  psoriatic arthritis. One of my lumbar disks vertebra is flat. I think it came from three pregnancies. I also have issues with my SI joints (sacroilliitis). So, yeah, I'm just pretty much fubar. LOL! I'm gonna talk to my bro about the DE and see if he still has some I can have.

The DE can help with most of that and is dirt cheap (pun intended). It runs about $0.40 an ounce, which will last a good 5-6 years.

The psoriasis is autoimmune and treated differently. I have a long, detailed explanation of autoimmunity and getting rid of these conditions on Facebook if you are interested. Science Based Natural Healing, then just type in autoimmunity in the search box to find it. Autoimmune conditions are not immune over activity as is often claimed. If it were then we would not get infections. It is the result of immune dysfunction through the adrenals leading to the overproduction of low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies, also known as autoantibodies. The rest of the immune system is working as it is designed to do. This is why immune suppressants such as steroids prescribed by doctors have never cured a single case of autoimmunity, but actually make the conditions worse over time. Anyway, the information is there is much more detail if you are interested.

Also more information and studies on silica and its roles in the body there as well.

[rockjunquie]

Jan 29, 2022 18:52:16 GMT -5 vegasjames said:

Jan 29, 2022 0:47:29 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Believe it or not, I understood a lot of that. My brother is up on a lot of alternative medicine and therapies. He talks about it a lot and I think I'm learning through osmosis. I haven't tried the DE myself, though I think he has. I think a doc said I have DDD, but I have other things going on in my back- old injuries, slipped/bulging discs, osteopenia and  psoriatic arthritis. One of my lumbar disks vertebra is flat. I think it came from three pregnancies. I also have issues with my SI joints (sacroilliitis). So, yeah, I'm just pretty much fubar. LOL! I'm gonna talk to my bro about the DE and see if he still has some I can have.

The DE can help with most of that and is dirt cheap (pun intended). It runs about $0.40 an ounce, which will last a good 5-6 years.

The psoriasis is autoimmune and treated differently. I have a long, detailed explanation of autoimmunity and getting rid of these conditions on Facebook if you are interested. Science Based Natural Healing, then just type in autoimmunity in the search box to find it. Autoimmune conditions are not immune over activity as is often claimed. If it were then we would not get infections. It is the result of immune dysfunction through the adrenals leading to the overproduction of low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies, also known as autoantibodies. The rest of the immune system is working as it is designed to do. This is why immune suppressants such as steroids prescribed by doctors have never cured a single case of autoimmunity, but actually make the conditions worse over time. Anyway, the information is there is much more detail if you are interested.

Also more information and studies on silica and its roles in the body there as well.

I think we discussed psoriasis before. Thank you. Unfortunately, I don't have a FB account to see your post. You can PM me the cut and paste if you feel so inclined.

I do want to try the DE. I know how cheap it is. It would be awesome if it helped.

[vegasjames]

Jan 29, 2022 18:56:20 GMT -5 rockjunquie said:

Jan 29, 2022 18:52:16 GMT -5 vegasjames said:

The DE can help with most of that and is dirt cheap (pun intended). It runs about $0.40 an ounce, which will last a good 5-6 years.

The psoriasis is autoimmune and treated differently. I have a long, detailed explanation of autoimmunity and getting rid of these conditions on Facebook if you are interested. Science Based Natural Healing, then just type in autoimmunity in the search box to find it. Autoimmune conditions are not immune over activity as is often claimed. If it were then we would not get infections. It is the result of immune dysfunction through the adrenals leading to the overproduction of low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies, also known as autoantibodies. The rest of the immune system is working as it is designed to do. This is why immune suppressants such as steroids prescribed by doctors have never cured a single case of autoimmunity, but actually make the conditions worse over time. Anyway, the information is there is much more detail if you are interested.

Also more information and studies on silica and its roles in the body there as well.

I think we discussed psoriasis before. Thank you. Unfortunately, I don't have a FB account to see your post. You can PM me the cut and paste if you feel so inclined.

I do want to try the DE. I know how cheap it is. It would be awesome if it helped.

I can post it here in case anyone else is also interested:

Doctors tell us that autoimmune disorders are caused from an overactive immune system although this is not really true. In autoimmune disorders the immune system is primarily doing its job the way it supposed to. The problem lies with suppression of the immune system through the adrenal glands, which among other functions are supposed to produce steroids that modulate the immune response and reduce inflammation in the body.

The easiest piece of evidence to prove this is the fact that things that suppress the immune system by inducing adrenal dysfunction make autoimmune disorders worse. Ever notice how stress makes autoimmune symptoms worse? So does caffeine, ephedrine, nicotine, and steroids.

Steroids are often prescribed for patients with autoimmune disorders in part to reduce inflammation and in part to induce severe immune suppression to prevent the body from mounting an immune response. This can help reduce symptoms of autoimmune conditions but does not cure the disorder and actually makes the underlying condition worse.

The use of steroids can lead to other diseases such as cancer and other infectious diseases due to the immune suppression. And other diseases not related to immune suppression such as bone loss disorders and hypothyroidism that increases the risk of cancer and heart disease through an increased level of inflammatory homocysteine.

What happens when a person tries to come off of the steroids? They have a severe rebound reaction with increased autoimmune symptoms. Why? Because steroids like stimulants and stress atrophy the adrenal glands reducing the output of the body's own steroids that function as anti-inflammatories and immune modulators.

Although both are steroids, the real difference lies in the concentration. The body generates steroids in small amounts as needed. The long term substitute of high dose, stronger steroids, leads to a shut down of the production of corticosteroids by the adrenal glands and a dependence on external sources of steroids as seen by the exacerbation of symptoms with Prednisone withdrawal.

Adrenal steroids also play a major role in the formation of antibodies.

When the adrenal glands are functioning properly the main antibodies produced are high affinity, which are very specific to their target. Therefore these antibodies specifically target antigens for destruction by white blood cells.

We are taught in conventional medicine that all antibodies are specific to their target. This is a myth and obviously untrue since the body does not go out of its way to destroy its own tissues.

When the adrenal glands are suppressed a lack of immune modulating steroids can occur leading to an overproduction of abnormal low affinity antibodies, also known as “autoantibodies” that are not specific to any particular antigen. These antibodies can attach to anything similar to its intended target. This includes healthy human tissues due to similarities between antigenic pathogens and the healthy cells.
To understand this process we can look at the production of monoclonal antibodies for disease research.

To manufacture monoclonals they start with a serum sample, in which an antigen target is added. Various antibodies, both specific and nonspecific, attach to these antigen targets. The antigen target is then removed and placed in a solution of weak sodium sulfate, which removes the nonspecific low affinity antibodies. These are the same types of antibodies involved in autoimmunity and that make HIV and hepatitis virus antigen tests so inaccurate. The target is then added to a slightly stronger solution to remove the slightly more specific antibodies. This is repeated several times until only the high affinity antibodies, which are specific to their target, are left. These specific antibodies are then used to manufacture monoclonal antibodies.

As we can see antibodies to the same target can differ in their specificity to their intended antigen. And therefore what doctors are taught about antibodies being specific or antibody tests being highly accurate is complete nonsense.

Another example to this would be the connective tissue disorders in women with silicone breast implants. The manufacturers claim that the silicone is inert in the body. Although this claim has been proven to be false. Anti-silicone antibodies have been found in response to both liquid silicone, and solid silicone such as used in drainage tubes, breast implant bags and solid implants in humans. If the silicone was truly inert as manufacturers claim then the silicone would not be antigenic and thus antibodies would not form against the silicone in the human body. Low affinity antibodies developed in response to the silicone mistake collagen in human connective tissue for the intended target silicone because of the shared similar structure of silica compounds in human connective tissues and the silicone.

Treatment of autoimmune disorders should start with building up the adrenal glands to properly regulate the immune response.

Vitamin C is the most important nutrient for proper adrenal health, although I do not like synthetic vitamin C (ascorbic acid) that is sold in powders, crystals, capsules, tablets and liquids.

Synthetic C is very unstable, especially if in liquid form, or if exposed to heat or light.

Synthetic C was also found to be less active than natural vitamin C, which is likely due to the lack of synergistic bioflavonoids that naturally occur with natural vitamin C.

For vitamin C I prefer papaya, mango, kiwis, berries, citrus and peppers for food sources. For herbs I prefer amla (Indian gooseberry), rose hips, acerola cherry or pine needles.

The next most important nutrient for the adrenal glands is the vitamin pantothenic acid (B5). The highest herbal source for this vitamin is bee pollen. Be careful though taking pollen if you are allergy prone. And always start out with very small amounts of pollen for the first couple of days if you decide to use this for a B5 source to make sure you are not allergic. This also applies to any time you change pollen sources as you may not be allergic to a pollen you are taking but can be allergic to a different type of pollen.

Herbs that support adrenal function include schisandra berries, ashwagandha, nettle leaf, Siberian ginseng (cijuwa, eleuthro), seaweeds, suma, licorice root , Yucca schidegra root, jiaogulan (Gynostemma) and astragalus.

Remember to avoid all stimulants such as caffeine and nicotine, and try to keep your stress levels down as much as possible.

If a person is already on steroids they need to keep in mind that they cannot go off steroids suddenly. They must be gradually reduced.

Licorice root actually increases the effects of Prednisone and reduces its excretion. Therefore, when using licorice root Prednisone dosage may need to be reduced. People should discuss reducing their Prednisone dosage with their doctor if using licorice root while taking Prednisone.

Another suggestion for many autoimmune disorders is vitamin D supplementation, which has been shown to help with immune modulation. Recommended dose is 2,000IU of vitamin D3 daily.

Some doctors recommend higher doses, up to 50,000IU daily, which I advise against for several reasons.

First of all such high doses can lead to secondary health issues from hypercalcemia.

Secondly, vitamin D also has hormonal actions and there has not been enough research on the hormonal aspects of high dose vitamin D.

And finally there is no need for megadosing. Vitamin D3 is a fat soluble vitamin that gets stored in the body. Thus it is very easy to build up and maintain therapeutic doses at the lower recommended levels and very easy to overdo it at the megadosing levels recommended by some doctors.

Autoimmune disorder and suspected or known triggers:

Juvenile diabetes: Coxsackie virus, rubella, cytomegalovirus. Also linked to vaccines utilizing live viruses including DPT, MMR, rotavirus, and hepatitis vaccines.

Multiple sclerosis: Human herpes virus type 6 (HHV6)

Rheumatoid arthritis and reactive arthritis (Reiter's Syndrome): Chlamydia bacteria, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), gonorrheal bacteria, salmonella, Mycobacterium, enterobacteria, shigella bacteria, campylobacter bacteria

Crohn's disease: Mycobacterium

Ulcerative colitis: Mycobacterium.

Lupus: EBV

Sjorgren's syndrome: Hepatitis viruses, Coxsackie virus, and EBV

Hashimoto's thyroidosis: EBV, hepatitis C virus (HCV) and human T-cell leukemia virus type 1

Myasthenia gravis: HCV, and possibly other viruses

Therefore, antimicrobials are recommended in the treatment of autoimmune disorders as well.

Excellent antimicrobials that kill viruses, bacteria, and fungi include andrographis, dried and aged chaparral, pau d' arco and amla.

[rockjunquie]

Thanks vegasjames. I'm gonna save this to my computer.

[oldschoolrocker]

Man I'd love to see what you come up with for the sphere machine as I recently found and with some help hauled home this cpl hundred pound calcite boulder that had me wishing I was capable of building a big sphere machine.