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Post by liveoak on Sept 29, 2022 7:55:02 GMT -5
Having experienced Hurricane Michael first hand and the destruction it did all around us 4 years ago,
We're feeling downright happy that Ian stayed south.
Patty
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Post by HankRocks on Sept 29, 2022 8:22:09 GMT -5
"My theory is under sea volcanoes heat the water, the hot water causes the storms. I've never heard anyone else try to find out if that is correct." Lots of theories out there 1dave with no answers. Yours makes perfect sense. The faults along the ocean bottom are 'thought' to put out 40(estimate)cubic miles of potentially superheated water per water per year. The earth holds 330,000,000 cubic miles of water, 140,000,000 square miles of water, good luck trying to know if such a large amount of water has risen 2F throughout its range much less what is causing it. No matter, the ice is melting and and the ocean sure seems to be rising and that's not good. A new climate analysis called 'tipping point' is being looked at. Perhaps the tipping point methodology will help predict the impacts of climate heating. It is based on analysing the oceans individually to check for domino effect relationships between them. Turbulent Jupiter's daily wind speeds are 900 mph. Earth is paradise compared to that planet. Maintaining our pleasant atmosphere is a miracle of balance. No matter, the guys with the world's wealth have made their conclusion. Reversing that conclusion will be more challenging than cooling the oceans. As if those guys can do a damn thing to cool 330 million gallons of water.(the big deception) "Fools and their money shall soon part" leaving the rest of us in a bad place. Unfortunately they are not fools but have other uses in mind for that wealth. Keep an eye on upcoming hurricanes. In the past century their impact locations have been uncannily favorable to avoid destruction and the population was much smaller. Warmer waters makes for different hurricane tracks. It is a fairly accurate statement to say that cat 4 hurricane has not slammed the west coast of Florida in 100 years. It has been bone dry up here in Atlanta with the cleanest clearest air imaginable. Ian has stolen our moisture and pulled clean air in. For the past 4-5 years we have been experiencing these fall droughts. Droughts severe enough to kill large portions of old growth forests. And jinxing the plantings of fall crops. Here's your answer Personally I feel bad for the cat!!! www.ibtimes.com/tracing-uncertainty-google-harnesses-quantum-mechanics-california-lab-3618115This thread has gone from a tipped over tractor to Schrodinger's cat!!! that's a quantum leap if I ever saw one!!!!
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 8:40:06 GMT -5
Having experienced Hurricane Michael first hand and the destruction it did all around us 4 years ago,
We're feeling downright happy that Ian stayed south.
Patty I rented on 26th Street at Mexico Beach for September and October 2005-6-7-8 to go fishing out at sea. Ivan, Katrina and a few others sent me home for a week during those stays. Upon returning after the water settled the deep sea species of fish were inshore 2 to 8 miles out instead of 30 to 40 miles out. Many of the artificial reefs had had 5 feet of sand pushed over them in 60 foot deep water. Guessing that Michael had similar impacts. 26th Street was within a mile of the center point of impact of Michael. My inexpensive block house rental was leveled. Adjacent wood frames that were built to hurricane standards suffered light damage. Most of the homes there were built before those standards were imposed and wow did it make a difference. One of the impacts that surprised me was the impact of salt water being blown into the forests along the beach turning the foliage brown. Not sure how long Cape San Blas had been there but it was amazing that Michael blew a 200 yard chunk out of it. A big hint that things are changing as of recent. 2005 was the busiest hurricane year since 2020, 2006 the slowest 2005:
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Post by liveoak on Sept 29, 2022 9:02:18 GMT -5
The problem with the house destruction is that building with hurricane clips & all is fine and good, until you have 120 or more mile an hour wind, roofs just don't hold, and if they do most of the shingles go. And that has nothing to do with storm surge.
Mexico Beach was/is one of those place that there just shouldn't be development that close to the water. PERIOD.
The one thing I found interesting that Michael did was on St Vincent, it leveled the dunes. Gone. Early spring, when we went this year there was small ones again, but for 2+ years none. They were high dunes. Mother nature is not one to fool with
Patty
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 9:13:00 GMT -5
"My theory is under sea volcanoes heat the water, the hot water causes the storms. I've never heard anyone else try to find out if that is correct." Lots of theories out there 1dave with no answers. Yours makes perfect sense. The faults along the ocean bottom are 'thought' to put out 40(estimate)cubic miles of potentially superheated water per water per year. The earth holds 330,000,000 cubic miles of water, 140,000,000 square miles of water, good luck trying to know if such a large amount of water has risen 2F throughout its range much less what is causing it. No matter, the ice is melting and and the ocean sure seems to be rising and that's not good. A new climate analysis called 'tipping point' is being looked at. Perhaps the tipping point methodology will help predict the impacts of climate heating. It is based on analysing the oceans individually to check for domino effect relationships between them. Turbulent Jupiter's daily wind speeds are 900 mph. Earth is paradise compared to that planet. Maintaining our pleasant atmosphere is a miracle of balance. No matter, the guys with the world's wealth have made their conclusion. Reversing that conclusion will be more challenging than cooling the oceans. As if those guys can do a damn thing to cool 330 million gallons of water.(the big deception) "Fools and their money shall soon part" leaving the rest of us in a bad place. Unfortunately they are not fools but have other uses in mind for that wealth. Keep an eye on upcoming hurricanes. In the past century their impact locations have been uncannily favorable to avoid destruction and the population was much smaller. Warmer waters makes for different hurricane tracks. It is a fairly accurate statement to say that cat 4 hurricane has not slammed the west coast of Florida in 100 years. It has been bone dry up here in Atlanta with the cleanest clearest air imaginable. Ian has stolen our moisture and pulled clean air in. For the past 4-5 years we have been experiencing these fall droughts. Droughts severe enough to kill large portions of old growth forests. And jinxing the plantings of fall crops. Here's your answer Personally I feel bad for the cat!!! www.ibtimes.com/tracing-uncertainty-google-harnesses-quantum-mechanics-california-lab-3618115This thread has gone from a tipped over tractor to Schrodinger's cat!!! that's a quantum leap if I ever saw one!!!!
Thread changes due to climate changes Henry ? Why not, there are many less believable theories receiving funding out there. Just a spectator here, watching the insanity unfold. Moving people away from the coasts makes the most sense. Grandad said not to build on the beach. If only they listened. Schrodinger lost me 3 paragraphs in. I get the sense we are being baffled and befuddled by scientist #12,324.
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Post by 1dave on Sept 29, 2022 10:10:09 GMT -5
Old fashioned computing is built on the idea of binary certainty: tens of thousands of "bits" of data that are each definitely either "on" or "off," represented by either a one or a zero. Quantum computing uses uncertainty: its "qubits" can exist in a state of both one-ness and zero-ness in what is called a superposition.The most famous illustration of a quantum superposition is Schrodinger's cat -- a hypothetical animal locked in a box with a flask of poison which may or may not shatter. While the box is shut, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. But once you interfere with the quantum state and open the box, the question of the cat's life or death is resolved. Quantum computers use this uncertainty to perform lots of seemingly contradictory calculations at the same time -- a bit like being able to go down every possible route in a maze all at once, instead of trying each one in series until you find the right path. The difficulty for quantum computer designers is getting these qubits to maintain their superposition long enough to make a calculation. As soon as something interferes with them -- noise, muck, the wrong temperature -- the superposition collapses, and you're left with a random and likely nonsensical answer.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 10:16:25 GMT -5
The problem with the house destruction is that building with hurricane clips & all is fine and good, until you have 120 or more mile an hour wind, roofs just don't hold, and if they do most of the shingles go. And that has nothing to do with storm surge. Mexico Beach was/is one of those place that there just shouldn't be development that close to the water. PERIOD. The one thing I found interesting that Michael did was on St Vincent, it leveled the dunes. Gone. Early spring, when we went this year there was small ones again, but for 2+ years none. They were high dunes. Mother nature is not one to fool with Patty Tell it Patty, winds at 120+ don't have any mercy on sand, trees and buildings. Michael defied so many normal hurricane behaviors. It even sped up just before landfall. Must have received an energy blast just before. So St Vincent got flattened literally. The dunes should blow back up. You may have thought to look for arrowheads and old bottles where the sand left them behind. If not, keep that in mind. During the dust bowl days large amounts of artifacts were left laying on the soil there for the picking. Mexico Beach got slammed with some of the worst of Michael but even 25 miles to the east St Vincent got polished ! Note the blowout halfway up the Cape of San Blas. Oh that makes me want to get back down there. Starting 25 miles south of Indian Pass becomes limestone bottom, that is where the fishing gets good.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 10:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by liveoak on Sept 29, 2022 10:24:26 GMT -5
Ya know Jim I hadn't though of looking in the area where the dunes were, we were too busy salvaging all kinds of things that the storm dragged in. It was a fun salvage trip, as we were the first ones out there after the storm.
Tom will disagree with you , there is plenty of good fishing in St Vincent sound. I've cooked them
Patty
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 10:47:56 GMT -5
Key West is a common path for hurricanes. Not even a direct hit by Ian yet it produced the third largest storm surge there in about 100 years. There is a lot of unique factors to judge hurricane strength by.
Ivan in 2004 was a beast of a storm that destroyed the moorings of 5 oil rigs. The wave sensors stopped registering at 90 foot wave heights. Estimates claimed waves reached 130 foot heights.
Ivan threading the land needle, the 'perfect storm path', eye reaches max size at 20 to 21 seconds of video.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 10:58:41 GMT -5
Ya know Jim I hadn't though of looking in the area where the dunes were, we were too busy salvaging all kinds of things that the storm dragged in. It was a fun salvage trip, as we were the first ones out there after the storm.
Tom will disagree with you , there is plenty of good fishing in St Vincent sound. I've cooked them Patty
Shrimp too, a cast net in knee deep water on the bay side will fill your bucket. Agreed, inshore fishing is awesome there and the deep sea species are everywhere offshore wherever there is rock bottom. Another artifact spot is the east ocean shore of Hurricane pass where Michael stripped the forest away. Also loaded with 50 caliber slugs when the military performed target practice during WW2. St Vincent is perfect for kayakers because it is a pain to launch a boat at that crazy boat launch at Indian Pass. That is one reason St Vincent is so untouched.
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Post by mohs on Sept 29, 2022 12:03:04 GMT -5
we don't know weather- the damn cat is even in the box ~mohs
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Post by RickB on Sept 29, 2022 15:44:32 GMT -5
jamesp As it heads up the coast, Ian is now pulling in moisture from a front that was off the coast of the Carolinas. Things are supposed to go downhill here in Columbia in the early morning hours and throughout Friday/Saturday morning. I made a large pot of clam chowder for tomorrow. Weather Channel Photo
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Post by jamesp on Sept 29, 2022 16:41:54 GMT -5
jamesp As it heads up the coast, Ian is now pulling in moisture from a front that was off the coast of the Carolinas. Things are supposed to go downhill here in Columbia in the early morning hours and throughout Friday/Saturday morning. I made a large pot of clam chowder for tomorrow. Weather Channel Photo That thing is still playing hardball. Hang tight Rick. This kid made a diverse coverage of Ft Myers, wow. He has a great rain accumulation map that may help to see your rain amounts Rick.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 29, 2022 19:03:06 GMT -5
Be safe, RickB! Time to hunker down.
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Post by beefjello on Sept 29, 2022 19:27:44 GMT -5
Wow.. unfathomable destruction. Hope all our Floridian RTH'rs are safe this evening. Damn. RickB enjoy your chowder. I hope Ian don't hit you guys as hard!
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 30, 2022 1:11:02 GMT -5
we don't know weather- the damn cat is even in the box ~mohs Where's the cat? Where's the cradle?
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Post by fernwood on Sept 30, 2022 4:41:43 GMT -5
jamesp. Thanks for sharing the video. The amount of destruction is overwhelming.
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Post by liveoak on Sept 30, 2022 6:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Sept 30, 2022 6:47:03 GMT -5
Welfare check on RickB RickBHope you didn't float away or get blown away Rick. Atlanta got nothing but intensely dry wind too add to a fall drought.
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