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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 23, 2017 14:58:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure if these photos will help you or not but I still had some photos of a 14" Frantom saw I sold a couple of years ago. So enlarged/cropped and brightened up the areas that partially show the feed screw mechanism for you.    Sorry there was no direct shot but hope this helps. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 20, 2017 1:47:34 GMT -5
Also I should have mentioned that it's best to have a dedicated polishing pad/belt for each type of polish. One for cerium, one for alumina, etc.. A cross contaminated polishing pad/belt that has been used for more than one type of polishing compound will never give optimal performance.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 20, 2017 1:41:23 GMT -5
Covington Engineering has a chart that matches up recommended polishing compounds with the best polishing surface (buff) for specific common cabbing materials. It can be found on page 69 of their catalogue at the following link: covington-engineering.com/content/_pdf_files/Covington%20Catalog%202014%20No%20Cover%20Small.pdfPersonally I prefer Cerium oxide on hard felt for high silica materials like agate, jasper and quartz. And prefer aluminum oxide(alumina)[also sold under the trade names of Raybrite, Linde A, and sapphire powder)] on a damp leather pad for many softer materials like turquoise, malachite, howlite, tigeriron, etc.). Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 20, 2017 1:06:37 GMT -5
I would feel a bit lost if this forum disappeared. So would I. I'm a bit of a recluse but would sorely miss this group. Last spring I joined a few facebook groups but am not a big fan of facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, or many of facebook's practices. And as jugglerguy mentioned, I similarly find that some of those folks on facebook can really test one's patience. I've sent Jean my contact info and if any of the members here care to add me to their email address list I can be reached at QuailRiver@aol.com. Or can be reached through eBay messages as eBay seller name QuailRiver. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 16, 2017 15:32:04 GMT -5
Since I'm not burying anything for sale with the bump ... Congrats on the nice new purple star Larry! Thanks captbob! Though QuailRiver is just one of my eBay seller names. I sell Furniture hardware and sometimes furniture repair and woodworking supplies and tools under the eBay user name Auctiontiques (sorry for the shameless plug  ). And I used to sell most of my Lapidary listings under my eBay user name Uhwarrie2013 and sold mostly folk pottery and antiques under the QuailRiver name. But when the economy got so tanked the folk pottery and antique market got too weak so I stopped pursing it. So since most folks on the lapidary boards know me as QuailRiver I just list lapidary and jewelry making stuff under the QuailRiver name now. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 13, 2017 15:35:06 GMT -5
I'm sure I have posted this before, but there is something better than the commercial products for breaking loose frozen nuts. From a magazine my husband subscribes to: Nothing worse than busting your knuckles open when a bolt breaks! The other ingredient is patience. Gotta give it a little time to work.
Automatic Transmission fluid is what is used to soak and loosen the internal parts of pneumatic tools when moisture from the compressor and air lines gets in the tools and makes them seize up with rust. But I had not heard of mixing acetone with automatic transmission fluid. Good tip! Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 13, 2017 14:50:11 GMT -5
Can using a penetrating oil such as PB Blaster (what I have on hand) to maybe help loosen these shafts up hurt the bearings? I'm reading online (where I learn everything!) that such products may dissolve the grease in the bearings. (?) Anyone have bad results from using such products where bearings are involved? I've heard that before too. But the type of insert bearings that these arbors use are not very expensive. If going to the trouble and cost of disassembling and having powder coated anyway, it might not be a bad idea to go ahead and replace the bearings too. Especially if the bearings inner collar are rusted onto the arbor shaft. Because when the arbor shaft is pressed out it may damage the bearing housing or seals. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 10, 2017 16:27:34 GMT -5
Yes the D14 arbors with the snap rings and set screws are easy. But I've got a couple of those smaller D4 models (made for 6" dia. wheels) that have machined steel flanges mounted onto the arbor so close to the Aluminum bearing housing that there isn't room to get a set of gear/bearing pullers between to pull off. There are no set screws or snap rings but I never was able to figure out how to remove those machined flanges so I could slip the arbor out and replace the belts. So they've just been sitting idle in my shop for a few years now. So I too would be grateful to anyone who knows how to disassemble the D4 Poly Arbor and would share the trick to it?
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 7, 2017 13:10:44 GMT -5
Mr. @shotgunner can do the advertising. Route a trip to Tony's from Texas. We'll stop in a small town outside a big city daily and have a mobile rock sale. Stimulate the local economy. Anything left when we get to Tony's is his lol LOL! If we're being honest with ourselves we'll have to admit that none of us can make a road trip form Texas to Idaho and not end the trip with more rocks than we started out with - regardless of our original intentions.  Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 7, 2017 6:09:07 GMT -5
$132.50 !!!!! Now that's some funny stuff right there! The winner could have hit the BIN for 75 bucks when you listed it. Congratulations Larry! 6 bids (5 bidders) in the final 5 seconds. *snort* Thanks! Yeah they lay dormant for most of the week. But I guess it's a case of "All's well that ends well"!  Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 6, 2017 19:47:03 GMT -5
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 6, 2017 19:34:12 GMT -5
Happiness is --- A NOS Poly flat lap arbor. Arrived today, frozen solid. I'm letting it thaw out before taking the final layer of wrapping off to prevent condensation & rust. Love getting NOS equipment. Thanks for listing these Larry. You're welcome! But even more so thank you and everyone else who purchased! Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Jan 6, 2017 13:24:35 GMT -5
Yeah I had seen those on eBay a while back when I was looking for a good price on a new Estwing rock hammer. I had originally thought the seller was just using the word "Estwing" as a search keyword. But he did also use "Estwing" in the heading of his write-up in the Item Description section so it does appear he's attempting to be deceptive. As for finding a real Estwing rock hammer at a good price - Amazon has several authentic Estwing products at reasonable prices. Just look for the listings of the ones that actually ship by Amazon rather than are sold and shipped by a third party so that the item will be eligible for free shipping. Like their Estwing 22oz rock hammer for $30.40 and is eligible for free shipping on orders over $49. www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-22P-Pointed-Shock-Reduction/dp/B0002OVCMO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1483725384&sr=8-3&keywords=estwing+pickI added one to an order of CDs and books in 2012 and received it in good order. With free shipping it was the best deal I could find on the net. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 31, 2016 23:50:27 GMT -5
The 2" wide Poly Arbor Splash Shields are the only lot that remains. Thank you everyone for your interest and for your purchases! Also thought some of you might enjoy a little Poly Arbor nostalgia - First a Poly Products ad from a 1949 Machinists magazine.  Next a 1980 ad for Poly Products soon after Raytech acquired them.  Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 31, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -5
Just noticed your measurement pics in some of the listings Larry. That's a nice added touch! Thumbs up.   Few sellers would go this extra step. Thanks captbob! I used the free downloadable version of a software called SketchUp 8 to impose the dimensions onto the photos. The free version of SketchUp 8 is not as advanced and doesn't have as many features as most other CAD softwares but once you learn to use it it's really fast and simple to do dimensioning. And it does allow users to import and export the most common types of picture files. However when exporting back, for some reason the dimension lines and text don't stay as sharp and crisp (.png seems to work best of the Sketchup photo file export options) but they are sufficient for this purpose. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 31, 2016 3:03:42 GMT -5
  *UPDATE: The 2" wide Poly Arbor Splash Shields are the only lot that remains. Thank you everyone!Several weeks back I ran across a neat find - a stash of unused, early 1970s New-Old-Stock Poly Arbor products from the estate of a deceased lapidary and stained glass worker. Among this group were eight various Poly Arbor bearing/arbors, and two sets (2 pairs) of D-14 arbor splash shields (one pair of 2" wide, and one pair of 4" wide). The D-14 arbor was still in it's original marked Poly Arbor Products D-14 box, still had the original protective cardboard tubes to protect the threads on the treaded arbor shaft ends, and packed with news papers dated 1974 ("Daily Times Advocate" Escondido, Calif., March 1974). The two pairs of D-14 splash shields and the other arbors were all packed in a large old Fisher Scientific 4/1 Gallon box. The 2" wide D-14 splash shields were still partially wrapped in 1973 dated Newspaper (San Gabriel Valley Tribune, June 1973) and the 4" wide D-14 splash shields were unwrapped. The B-41 arbor was still in it's original clear plastic bag inside it's original small cardboard box, and the other six arbors were still in their original clear plastic bags with the unpainted areas of the threaded arbors and the arbor nuts still having a light coating of moisture protectant grease from the factory. The Poly D-14 Arbor unit is a classic and is considered by many lapidary old-timers, including myself (I've had one in my shop for sanding cabochons for over twenty years), and other tradesmen to be the best dual wheel arbor ever produced. Additionally, their various arbor bearing housings and arbor shafts were utilized by other brands of lapidary equipment makers including but not limited to some models of Frantom slab saws, and Crown Diamond lapidary products. Poly Arbor Products were also a favorite among homemade equipment builders for lapidary, wood working, glass grinding, and machinist work. So if anyone here is in need of a good dual wheel/drum Poly Arbor unit, and/or a set of Poly Arbor splash shields, or have an older make saw or lap that uses one of these types of arbors, or have plans to build your own equipment - Then I have listed all of these ten lots of Poly Products' items for sale on eBay. They can be viewed at the following link: www.ebay.com/sch/quailriver/m.html?_trksid=p3692If that link doesn't work on your device then you can try the shortened version: tinyurl.com/gs2vsm8 And if that doesn't work then you can view them by doing a Seller search for eBay seller name QuailRiver from eBay's advanced search page. Thanks for looking! Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 28, 2016 0:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 19, 2016 16:43:23 GMT -5
IMO jgrocks is correct - definitely not Chinese Dendritic Jasper nor Flower Jaasper. Neither of those materials are translucent.
Back in the 1970s I bought a couple of slabs of the same looking material you picture, and may still have some of it around here somewhere. If I remember correctly it was sold as Quartzite with red dendrites. I can not remember where it was originally from. And also if I remember correctly it was softer than agate to cut.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 16, 2016 15:19:48 GMT -5
Most good industrial supply stores sell Neoprene Rubber in sheet form. At one local to us they sell it by the linear foot for less than $1 per square foot. It comes in rolls. I buy the 1/8" thick material for making seals (although the 1/4" might work better for the gap between the Raytech reservoir and saw table). With this you can make your seal in one-piece so there's no leaking at corner tape joints. If you're in a rural area where there are no industrial supply stores then you can buy it online too. The company at the following link sells an 80"x24"x1/8" sheet for $15.99 or the same size 1/4" thick sheet for $20.99. www.thefoamfactory.com/closedcellfoam/neoprene.htmlThis material is also good to use as a work mat for metal smithing tables. It's tough enough to protect the table surface and resist tearing and the surface is smooth enough that silver and gold filings won't stick to it so it's easy to collect and save the filings from after each work session. Larry C. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Dec 15, 2016 21:21:02 GMT -5
Link's not working for me either. I'm curious about the ametrine rough and the large yellow roughs -- citrine, or??? Yes those yellow ones are large Champagne colored Citrine. If the link still isn't working you can go to eBay's main page and in the advanced search field do a "Seller" search for QuailRiver and that should pull up my listings. Or just cut and paste this item number 112237538337 into the search field and that should pull up one of the lots of Ametrine. Then to see the other listings just click on the "see Other Items" link in the Sellers Information box near the top right corner of the page. Larry C. |
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). And I used to sell most of my Lapidary listings under my eBay user name Uhwarrie2013 and sold mostly folk pottery and antiques under the QuailRiver name. But when the economy got so tanked the folk pottery and antique market got too weak so I stopped pursing it. So since most folks on the lapidary boards know me as QuailRiver I just list lapidary and jewelry making stuff under the QuailRiver name now.
