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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 12:00:30 GMT -5
ide still cover it so the fines don't wash out in the rain lol
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 10:50:17 GMT -5
I was eyeing this box up guess ill be taking it.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 10:30:20 GMT -5
welcome to my world of stinky barrel burping.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 10:12:57 GMT -5
james if you put it outside I would at least cover it. most of them sacs break down in uv light. glad it worked out for ya at 45 cents a pound you will not think twice about getting creative and experimenting with it.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 9:53:30 GMT -5
how new?
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 8:21:45 GMT -5
Ole Noah sounds just like us huh Rich. Poor sukkah. Bet since he's a new guy he doesn't know about the initiation of sending boxes of rocks to the first people who howdy him up? You wanna tell me or want me to? Hey Noah.. rockdunker Rich and I will pm you our addies so you can send the boxes directly from the Dakotas. That sound good Rich? Works for me. Oh yeah , guess I forgot about the initiation . Thanks for the remind Cliff . I think it should work the other way around.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 19, 2017 6:46:12 GMT -5
ill take box 2
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Post by notjustone on Jul 18, 2017 21:47:30 GMT -5
welcome central ny here.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 16, 2017 12:31:03 GMT -5
james when you say your triple dosing how does that compare to normal usage? do you normally add 1.5 cups over a 7 day period with reloads every 2 days to keep the action aggressive? at the risk of someone getting butt hurt. I have to ask whats the advantage of rolling for 1 month or more without cleanouts? from what I understand the cutting action of the grit is reduced to basically very little over the first week or 2. I understand the breakdown to prepolish thing. but if your coarse cutting is well depleted by the end of a week and your pits and other imperfections are still there. yet you continue to roll on into week 2 and so on aren't you essentially taking any of the rocks that still have imperfections and moving them on to the next grit stage? I suppose if you threw your rocks in with no grit at all and tumbled them long enough (with heavy emphasis on the long part) they would erode eventually. just like beach rocks. but yet we add grit to speed it up. I do weekly cleanouts with no grit addition for approximately the past 6 months. but 1 time I let them run for 2 weeks between cleanouts. the amount of rocks I got out after 2 weeks was not really any bigger than what I normally get out after 1. if it was more it was such a small amount it wasn't even noticeable. In my case running the bulk grit at (my) triple dose at an aggressive 55 RPM for 6 inch PVC barrel the bigger bulk stuff is gone after 5 days. I let it run 2 more days till the week end to do clean out.(Been busy) Triple dose (for me is 3 X 1/2 cup for 6 pounds). So I am using 1.5 cups for the one week run instead of 1/2 cup for 6 pounds. I like that bulk grit because it works well with one week clean outs at 55 RPM. I have to recharge with coarse grit 6 to 8 times(6 to 8 weeks) if I want to have well rounded rocks. Pre-ground rocks are done in 1 or 2 recharges. They are much faster. yeah I guess what I'm getting at is if you were using sic 30 how much are you putting in initially? how much and how often are you recharging. to basically get the same amount of cutting action. would results be same if a triple dose of sic 30 were put in for a week run?
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Post by notjustone on Jul 16, 2017 11:58:12 GMT -5
james when you say your triple dosing how does that compare to normal usage? do you normally add 1.5 cups over a 7 day period with reloads every 2 days to keep the action aggressive? at the risk of someone getting butt hurt. I have to ask whats the advantage of rolling for 1 month or more without cleanouts? from what I understand the cutting action of the grit is reduced to basically very little over the first week or 2. I understand the breakdown to prepolish thing. but if your coarse cutting is well depleted by the end of a week and your pits and other imperfections are still there. yet you continue to roll on into week 2 and so on aren't you essentially taking any of the rocks that still have imperfections and moving them on to the next grit stage? I suppose if you threw your rocks in with no grit at all and tumbled them long enough (with heavy emphasis on the long part) they would erode eventually. just like beach rocks. but yet we add grit to speed it up. I do weekly cleanouts with no grit addition for approximately the past 6 months. but 1 time I let them run for 2 weeks between cleanouts. the amount of rocks I got out after 2 weeks was not really any bigger than what I normally get out after 1. if it was more it was such a small amount it wasn't even noticeable. The biggest difference I have noticed is the size of the tumbler, my 90 lb tumbler has much more weight pushing down on the grit so therefore it increases the cutting action also. If I run my Thumblers 18 lb next to my Diamond Pacific 90 lb and do cleanouts at the same times and use the same ratio of grit then the larger tumbler will do about double the cutting action than the smaller tumbler. I tumble rocks to give to the kids at the two shows I do, plus whatever kids want to take when they come to visit and some have pits or vugs in them, that is part of the character of that rock. The glossy perfect finish is desirable but the imperfect ones are usually the ones that get picked out of the bowl first. Tony how much grit does it take to charge a 90 lbs run?
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Post by notjustone on Jul 16, 2017 8:41:54 GMT -5
james when you say your triple dosing how does that compare to normal usage? do you normally add 1.5 cups over a 7 day period with reloads every 2 days to keep the action aggressive?
at the risk of someone getting butt hurt. I have to ask whats the advantage of rolling for 1 month or more without cleanouts? from what I understand the cutting action of the grit is reduced to basically very little over the first week or 2. I understand the breakdown to prepolish thing. but if your coarse cutting is well depleted by the end of a week and your pits and other imperfections are still there. yet you continue to roll on into week 2 and so on aren't you essentially taking any of the rocks that still have imperfections and moving them on to the next grit stage? I suppose if you threw your rocks in with no grit at all and tumbled them long enough (with heavy emphasis on the long part) they would erode eventually. just like beach rocks. but yet we add grit to speed it up.
I do weekly cleanouts with no grit addition for approximately the past 6 months. but 1 time I let them run for 2 weeks between cleanouts. the amount of rocks I got out after 2 weeks was not really any bigger than what I normally get out after 1. if it was more it was such a small amount it wasn't even noticeable.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 15, 2017 16:48:39 GMT -5
if your not in a hurry you can always throw your rocks out in the front yard and wait for them to erode.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 15, 2017 8:20:03 GMT -5
gr my wife has the same attitude. tumbling was her idea and she simply wanted a small tumbler. of course my testosterone took over and I built woody. then purchased the uv-10. then built the "supergrinder" to speed up preforming. long story short I have boxes of tumbled rocks all over my kitchen table with absolutely no idea what I am ever going to do with them. long story short I just love to see what they will end up looking like when I'm done.
on a side note I'm getting ready to head out the door to my first ever rock show. gemworld by Syracuse gem and mineral society. see ya all in a few hours.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 14, 2017 22:48:12 GMT -5
cliff the ao-80 coarse is available in smaller quantities as sandblasting media. I believe even home depot and lowes carries it in buckets. keep in mind though your using tablespoons of ao compaired to cups of sic. that's why the bulk sic is so appealing to james its basically 90plus percent of your grit cost. Thanks for increasing my understanding. I saw the 5 gallon buckets of Aluminum Oxide sand blasting material on line. What would you use if given the choice? AO coarse and let it smooth down and then a ninal polish or the hard grind of coarse SiC? You're in the business and know the material and processes better than any of us.
I'm not in the business but the coarse ao-80 will not do the rough grind like the sic will. its more like it eliminates the 2 or 3 grit steps between coarse and polish. when I first set up my homemade tumbler I was running 30ish sic. when they were nicely rounded I would send them to the smaller tumblers through the 60/90sic, 150/220sic, 500 sic, then ao polish for a week in each stage. now I let them roll in bulk sic till nicely rounded or pit free then to ao80 for four or five days in the vibe. then 1 or 2 days in polish. I bought 10 lbs ao-80 off ebay a while back. I probably still have 9 3/4 after running probably 75 lbs of bulk sic. the point I was trying to make is the ao-80 cost isn't a huge deal cause you really use so little. if you can find a price reduction on coarse grind its the most bang for your buck. but from the sounds of it jamesp is willing to pay almost as much for the convienence of not having to open the barrels as much
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Post by notjustone on Jul 14, 2017 11:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by notjustone on Jul 14, 2017 10:54:56 GMT -5
Maybe someone will get stoned enough to order 3000 pounds of bulk SiC. Figuring (Vegas)James will certainly come up with a concoction. Just don't try peyote, omg. If you were an indian.. back in college,,,your name might have been " he who walks with red eyes? Mine would have been EL Rey de Chongos. grin.. Bet you're going to be the one who will end up ordering the SiC if it goes. The AO coarse sounds even more interesting than the SiC
cliff the ao-80 coarse is available in smaller quantities as sandblasting media. I believe even home depot and lowes carries it in buckets. keep in mind though your using tablespoons of ao compaired to cups of sic. that's why the bulk sic is so appealing to james its basically 90plus percent of your grit cost.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 14, 2017 10:34:13 GMT -5
BUT the pallet of Sakrete only costs $2.80/bag, $156.80/ pallet. whats the current price now for sic 30? last I looked I thought it was 75 dollars about 1.50 a pound. plus shipping. . compare apples to apples at least. with the bulk sic at 45 cents per pound even if someone marked it up there is room for some markup. with course grinding being the majority of your grit usage. in my case about a cup of sic for 10 lbs of rock every week times 6 or 7 ( yep I'm rolling at least 60lbs in course) which gives me an output of about 10 lbs ready to move on weekly. now compare that 6 or 7 cups to the 2 tablespoons of ao-80. and 1 tablespoon ao polish. clearly the bulk of your grit usage is in coarse grind.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 14, 2017 7:29:57 GMT -5
I went back through this thread, but got distracted by the dope. How much does a pallet of this material weigh? Just wondering if I could haul it in the back of the pick-up, or if i'd need a trailer. Also wondering if I drove up there on a nice day with a pallet full of LFRBs, if I couldn't have a grand old time irritating the folks in the Lampus post office.... 3000 lbs minimum purchase.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 11, 2017 10:48:01 GMT -5
james try www.uship.com/commodity_selection.aspx?c=1750 although you will have to find out size on bagged pallets. I tried it with 4 foot by 4 foot x 3 foot and I'm not sure the pallets are 4 foot they may be 42 inchers. and I put pickup time a week out figuring if you put in today or tommorows date it may come back a higher rate.
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Post by notjustone on Jul 11, 2017 10:40:59 GMT -5
my supply is hit and miss at that point in time I had a surpluss. which is why I sent him so much. I picked james since hes an expairimentor and always trying out of the box stuff. added bonus james sent me back a box of primo tumbling stuff (I didn't even ask for) at the same time I also have a limited supply so please don't ask for samples. just putting that out there.
I tried it compaired to some other grit which I believe is around 30 grit. (I may have to send a sfrb to james to have him compare to his known grits) but in my opinion the bulk has outperformed it.
I personally think that james may be overdosing and should try at 1cup and a little clay hint hint lol. he uses more grit than I do in bigger barrels. but then again he knows what hes doing more than I do. going into it my main objective was to see if it would time release and keep cutting longer. if hes adding 1.5 cups at 1 week interavals at lets say 1/2 to 1/3rd cost per pound. compairing that to a half cup of sic 30 with another half cup 2 days later I'm guessing the cost will be close to break even maybe cheaper. but now hes opening barrels only once a week. in my head to head compairison on a couple bigger stones I preshaped with the "supergrinder" with uniformish sized scratches my results were the bulk sic did more cutting in the same time period.
wasn't to long ago no one thought of using ao-80 to cut out 2 or 3 grit steps. just sayin.
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