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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 24, 2023 0:22:33 GMT -5
Recently found a old 24"spartan kit saw in a old rockhounders shed. Came with everything but some pulleys, the basin and hood. Guy told me he bought it like that and you were supposed to build it out of wood? He said he planned to build it out of metal, but got "too old to even lift the vise". Let me have it for free.
Does anyone have any information on these saws and if plywood really was the way to build them? Has a clutch auto feed it looks like as well.
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 24, 2023 1:08:35 GMT -5
There was a guy on the Columbia Gorge around White Salmon who made a couple Spartan recreations, but I think his were hydraulic. He liked the vice design. Would love to see a pic or 3 of the collection. Plywood is never a good choice for a saw tub, the ONLY upside is that someone who can make cabinets but not steel tubs can make one. Wood boxes always leak. They leak A LOT. They change shape and the blade becomes out of alignment easily. Since they are generally coated with a sealer in a vain attempt to not leak, when the owner cleans them he either scrapes the sealer off or he doesn't clean the saw very well.
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 24, 2023 11:47:26 GMT -5
There was a guy on the Columbia Gorge around White Salmon who made a couple Spartan recreations, but I think his were hydraulic. He liked the vice design. Would love to see a pic or 3 of the collection. Plywood is never a good choice for a saw tub, the ONLY upside is that someone who can make cabinets but not steel tubs can make one. Wood boxes always leak. They leak A LOT. They change shape and the blade becomes out of alignment easily. Since they are generally coated with a sealer in a vain attempt to not leak, when the owner cleans them he either scrapes the sealer off or he doesn't clean the saw very well. I was planning on making the tub out of 1/8in sheet metal then the top out of wood. I'll snap some photos of what I got and post them. I do remember the guy here in Washington remaking the saws, but a couple in the groups I'm in said they never heard back from him.
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 24, 2023 12:01:26 GMT -5
There was a guy on the Columbia Gorge around White Salmon who made a couple Spartan recreations, but I think his were hydraulic. He liked the vice design. Would love to see a pic or 3 of the collection. Plywood is never a good choice for a saw tub, the ONLY upside is that someone who can make cabinets but not steel tubs can make one. Wood boxes always leak. They leak A LOT. They change shape and the blade becomes out of alignment easily. Since they are generally coated with a sealer in a vain attempt to not leak, when the owner cleans them he either scrapes the sealer off or he doesn't clean the saw very well. I was planning on making the tub out of 1/8in sheet metal then the top out of wood. I'll snap some photos of what I got and post them. I do remember the guy here in Washington remaking the saws, but a couple in the groups I'm in said they never heard back from him. I think his name is Matt, he bought some estate stuff from me on a couple occasions and is friends with another friend in Vancouver who passed on a HF finger brake/shear/roller thingie for sheetmetal that he got from me. If you use 1/8" sheet I advise either bending in the top edges like a FranTom or welding on strap around the top edges to stiffen a bit, flex will throw the alignment off. Tying all the support for the arbor and vice carriage rails together with stiffeners, or even legs and supports for the tub can also do the same thing and keep the overall weight and steel cost down.
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 24, 2023 18:49:13 GMT -5
I was planning on making the tub out of 1/8in sheet metal then the top out of wood. I'll snap some photos of what I got and post them. I do remember the guy here in Washington remaking the saws, but a couple in the groups I'm in said they never heard back from him. I think his name is Matt, he bought some estate stuff from me on a couple occasions and is friends with another friend in Vancouver who passed on a HF finger brake/shear/roller thingie for sheetmetal that he got from me. If you use 1/8" sheet I advise either bending in the top edges like a FranTom or welding on strap around the top edges to stiffen a bit, flex will throw the alignment off. Tying all the support for the arbor and vice carriage rails together with stiffeners, or even legs and supports for the tub can also do the same thing and keep the overall weight and steel cost down. I had an idea to use angle iron around the bottom and for legs, then flat stock for the top to stiffen it up a bit. Hopefully my welding skills are still worth something hahaha
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 25, 2023 22:12:41 GMT -5
I was planning on making the tub out of 1/8in sheet metal then the top out of wood. I'll snap some photos of what I got and post them. I do remember the guy here in Washington remaking the saws, but a couple in the groups I'm in said they never heard back from him. I think his name is Matt, he bought some estate stuff from me on a couple occasions and is friends with another friend in Vancouver who passed on a HF finger brake/shear/roller thingie for sheetmetal that he got from me. If you use 1/8" sheet I advise either bending in the top edges like a FranTom or welding on strap around the top edges to stiffen a bit, flex will throw the alignment off. Tying all the support for the arbor and vice carriage rails together with stiffeners, or even legs and supports for the tub can also do the same thing and keep the overall weight and steel cost down. imgur.com/a/ggWLaHHHere's a couple photos I got before it got dark again
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 26, 2023 1:26:15 GMT -5
Looks similar to old HP or FranTom vice, do you have the moving part of it? When assembling you could easily add threaded blocks in front and behind the pillow blocks like a HP to adjust and lock down blade adjustment. Have you plugged in the gearmotor and timed a revolution?
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 27, 2023 9:20:17 GMT -5
Looks similar to old HP or FranTom vice, do you have the moving part of it? When assembling you could easily add threaded blocks in front and behind the pillow blocks like a HP to adjust and lock down blade adjustment. Have you plugged in the gearmotor and timed a revolution? Yup I got the moving part, it was off to the side. Had the same idea for blocks on the sides of the bearings. The gear motor is weird, has a clutch on it to vary the speed from 3rpm to 6rpm. Little froze up so I'll tinker with it a bit. Guy found 3 "NEW" 24" blades in the garage, so I'm going to pick those up today.
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 27, 2023 23:39:17 GMT -5
He found the old plans. Amazing it was a wood basin. Pretty cool piece of history
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 28, 2023 10:57:51 GMT -5
Too bad it didn't come with the worm drive for the feed. Love the ALL CAPS!!!! for the alignment part, guess it's not just an internet thing... And the "wobble straightening" that used to work with the steel they used to make blades from.
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QuailRiver
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Post by QuailRiver on Mar 28, 2023 21:13:54 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember when kit saws were still in vogue. A lot of folks who made the ones with plywood reservoirs lined them with fiberglass to prevent leaking.
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Post by creativeness718 on Mar 29, 2023 11:14:54 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember when kit saws were still in vogue. A lot of folks who made the ones with plywood reservoirs lined them with fiberglass to prevent leaking. In a past life I made jetski hulls for backflipping. With the price of sheet metal right now I might go with wood, fiberglass and gelcoat that I have in the garage still haha
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Post by NDK on Apr 1, 2023 11:58:37 GMT -5
creativeness718 I built a 16" saw and made a plywood box. Worked well enough but even after lining all the box corners with fiberglass fabric and sealing the whole box with resin it still leaks. Better off in the long run using steel. If there's a scrap yard in the area, stop by and ask if they allow picking and sell scrap. One back home let you dig through the piles and sold at 35¢ per pound for steel. I've saved a ton of money on many projects finding reusable pieces from the scrap yard.
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Post by Rockoonz on Apr 1, 2023 13:46:51 GMT -5
I had a stainless tank from a cooling tower, unfortunately didn't make the cut for a 1400 plus mile move south but the friend who ended up with it hopefully unilized it for something cool. Much of my recent steel purchases have been surplus and items I could cut apart for re-use. Doing CL and FB marketplace searches using lots of key words can bring up something that you can pick up for a fraction of the steel yard price. I got an overbuilt shelving unit made with about 100' of 2x2x1/4" angle for $60 bucks and a 30 mile RT with the trailer, the easily removable excess sticks were worth about twice that and it is currently my steel rack. The frame you have is pretty much a drop in, so you have lots of options to make a good saw that's robust but easy to clean.
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Post by manofglass on Apr 1, 2023 15:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by manofglass on Apr 9, 2023 13:38:38 GMT -5
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