Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on May 17, 2013 8:52:13 GMT -5
Man, if you guys want to get depressed, take a look at the hearings investigating the IRS, in progress right now. Worse lying sacks of doody I've ever seen and of course, all the Dems in the hearing are working overtime trying to give the IRS scum cover. WOW!....Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on May 17, 2013 9:10:10 GMT -5
I want to know why Charlie Wrangle is being allowed to ask questions ? He's one of the most corrupt senators on capitol hill.
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Post by grayfingers on May 17, 2013 9:43:47 GMT -5
Don, you will like this. . . Charlie Rangel: Obama answers not enough www.politico.com/story/2013/05/charlie-rangel-irs-associated-press-comments-91398.htmlSo Yeah, Obama really is remarkable in that he is the most powerful man in the world, (not to mention "the smartest man in the room"). And yet, he knows nothing of what his administration's key departments applied policies are. He learns about it from the news, like we do. And if (insert scandel here) it turns out to be true, he will be outraged, by golly, and will not tolerate such, and will put his "best people" (oops, banned word) make that "most skilled criminals", on it asap. Anyone who believes that Obama did not know about the IRS actions is not only naive, but painfully ignorant. The IRS targeted conservatives, (including HISPANIC conservative groups [1]), as well as Evangelical groups. [2] IRS letters harassing conservative groups came from Washington, DC headquarters and from California offices, despite Inspector General's focus on Cincinnati employees. Also, Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthood washingtonexaminer.com/report-irs-denied-tax-exempt-status-to-pro-lifers-on-behalf-of-planned-parenthood/article/2529750 IRS ASKED FOR FACEBOOK POSTS, READING LISTS, PRIVATE THOUGHTS www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-irs-wants-you-to-share-everything-91378.htmlDocument: IRS ordered conservative educational group to turn over a list of high school and college students it trained www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324716/Document-IRS-ordered-conservative-educational-group-turn-list-high-school-college-students-trained.htmlProgressive Group: IRS Gave Us Conservative Groups' Confidential Docs www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/14/Progressive-Group-Says-IRS-Gave-Them-Confidential-Docs-On-Conservative-GroupsStalled applications of conservative groups up to 13 months. www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/holder-orders-fbi-justice-probe-of-irs/2013/05/14/7891fde6-bcc0-11e2-9b09-1638acc3942e_story.html?hpid=z1Carney: Just Because IRS Apologized Doesn't Mean They Did Anything Wrong www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/carney-just-because-irs-apologized-doesnt-mean-they-did-anything-wrong_724451.htmlTea Party Activists Share IRS Demands – Conversations, Facebook, Twitter Accounts, Book Lists www.cnsnews.com/news/article/tea-party-activists-share-irs-demands-conversations-facebook-twitter-accounts-bookThis Administration and it's henchpersons make the East German Stazi look good. The Stazi was the repressive East German intelligence and secret police agencies. [1]. latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/05/16/irs-allegedly-targeted-latino-run-conservative-group/[2]. Franklin Graham: IRS targeted us, too www.politico.com/story/2013/05/franklin-graham-irs-targeting-91362.html
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Post by jakesrocks on May 17, 2013 9:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on May 17, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
When a president is abusing the powers of his high office, he may be impeached if it is found he has engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan include one or more of the following: making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States; withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States; approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings; interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees; approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payment of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities; endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States; disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States, for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability; making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct: or endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony. For those who say this administration's current cornucopia of corrupt conduct is nothing akin to Watergate, The above is The Watergate Articles of Impeachment. That is only the first of three articles, the rest are here. watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachmentNo. 1 in Article 2 is a good one. . . "He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner." Flashback: Schumer, Franken urged IRS to target tea party in 2012Read more: dailycaller.com/2013/05/17/flashback-schumer-franken-urged-irs-to-target-tea-party-in-2012/#ixzz2TZ2K8N00Report: IRS Deliberately Chose Not to Fess Up to Scandal Before Electionwww.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.htmlGloves are off, and I'm loaded for Bear Jackass
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 17, 2013 13:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by helens on May 17, 2013 13:35:35 GMT -5
Now, I think it's pretty amusing that the IRS is getting in trouble, it's an interesting turnabout, since the IRS is well known for getting everyone else in trouble.
But BOTH parties are attacking the IRS on the subject, and the President appointed the actual comptroller of the USA to oversee the IRS now, and Holder has sicced the FBI on them.
Yet this is the Admin's fault that a semi-independent organization, with the power to investigate the President himself, is evidence that the President did something wrong? Talk about grasping for anything at all.
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Post by helens on May 17, 2013 13:52:19 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324767004578488833834357540.htmlMultiple investigations into the IRS—by congressional committees, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration and the Justice Department—are likely to keep the focus on what went wrong. Many Republicans believe the problems ultimately trace to senior officials, despite IRS denials. GOP lawmakers are particularly interested in the role of Ms. Lerner, who knew of the problems at least as early as 2011 but failed to disclose them to Congress in letters during 2012. The Treasury Inspector General (DIRECTLY appointed by the President of the USA) and the Justice Dept (DIRECTLY appointed by the President of the USA), launched "MULTIPLE" investigations into the IRS. So, if IRS officials were the President's responsibility, then MULTIPLE investigations of them by Presidential appointees were also the President's responsibility.. or credit, as it were. Where's the credit?
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Post by tkrueger3 on May 17, 2013 17:00:58 GMT -5
And we KNOW that the president is the one who ordered the IRS to hassle conservative groups, exactly how? Some folks seem to be willing to take any perceived nuance, even invent something, to try to show the president as evil. I, for one, require concrete proof, not opinion, and certainly not opinion based on hatred. And when the proof indicates that the truth lies in the other direction, I accept that and move on.
Sorry - I try never to discuss politics, religion, or finances, but this b.s. is just too .......
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Post by grayfingers on May 17, 2013 17:18:49 GMT -5
This is just a coincidence I'm sure. . . IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation. Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today. abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/irs-official-in-charge-during-tea-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/
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Post by helens on May 17, 2013 17:25:40 GMT -5
Almost all appointees are supporters of the President. That's a given, and true for every single Administration since George Washington. This is news?
What can she do there? Give Republicans worse health care? Call Insurance companies, which overwhelmingly are anti Obamacare (because it limits their profit to 15%, forcing them to pay 85% of premiums to actual customer health care)... to say...don't insure Republicans?
Another no big deal. But they'll probably fire her because Obama's such a panderer. This was what I did NOT like about him. He SHOULD be saying... "SCREW YOU" you paranoid nuts! How about Congress just tells the IRS to audit ALL Non-profits and fix the whole problem?
Reagan would have laughed at them and said, "There ya go again...". Then stood his ground.
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Post by grayfingers on May 17, 2013 17:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by helens on May 17, 2013 19:26:20 GMT -5
Telling them to address the imbalance by ordering them to audit EVERYONE is a carte blanche to corruption? I see.
The IRS is now under investigation... by EVERYONE. We have our popcorn fodder, nothing about it will matter til there's an outcome.
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Post by chassroc on May 19, 2013 8:23:34 GMT -5
Typical bullshit from the peanut gallery here. There is bipartisan rage about this one. Nobody in their right mind would let the IRS go after political rivals, especially Obama. He is much too smart for that. Dems and Moderates know hat the right would love to have a free go at their opposition when they are in control of all the government and they have the history of finding lots of ways to go after honest people.
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Post by Sabre52 on May 19, 2013 9:12:01 GMT -5
*L* Charlie: I'd say he's much to smart to get "caught" doing that. However, his underlings, not so much *L*. The targeting was at the request of several Democrat senators, Bachus, Franken, Schumer etc as they knew their party's success in the election was threatened by tea party groups who had slaughtered them in the midterms. And they knew (In spite of denials, IMHO) that the IRS, being run by Democratic partisan scumbags, would target only Conservative groups giving them an advantage in the coming election. The treasury dept was informed of the conspiracy and it probably went to cabinet level so Obama probably knew too but had it hidden so info about the conspiracy did not come out before the election. So, Id say what you're saying is typical BS and smoke blowing from you libs *L*. Did you even watch the IRS scumbags testifying in those hearing? If you did, man you must definitely be blinded by partisanship. Couldn't give any names, Hell, the reports have to be signed so they knew names. Total lying sacks of doody!.....Mel
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Post by grayfingers on May 19, 2013 10:09:11 GMT -5
lol. . .I guess CBS 'Face The Nation" is off of Charlie's TV schedule. Bob Schieffer is ripping the admin. a new one on all three scandals. So is today's Washington Post. True, there is bi-partisan outrage. It is only the most partisan lefties that are still trying to defend the indefensible. And, their only option left is to resort to snarling ankle biting, which only further exposes the true "depth" of their superficiality.
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Post by helens on May 19, 2013 12:37:37 GMT -5
I don't see anyone 'defending the indefensible'. I see investigations being launched on Agencies that may have exceeded their mandate. What's that got to do with Obama?
These Agencies were ALL oversighted by Congressional Committees. Yet I haven't seen a single mention of Congress's accountability for these agencies excesses, when they should be JUST as accountable for their lack of supervision.
Why is that?
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Post by helens on May 19, 2013 12:46:54 GMT -5
Oh, and gee... look at this one: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/darrell-issa-irs_n_3299624.htmlDarryl Issa!!! "WASHINGTON -- Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said earlier this week in a little-noticed interview that he knew "approximately" what the IRS inspector general would report about selective targeting of conservative groups, but that it wasn't appropriate to "accuse the IRS until you've had a nonpartisan, deep look." The comments back up the White House argument that administration officials did not know enough about the investigation to condemn the IRS until the IG completed his work recently. A Treasury Department official, Neal Wolin, was informed that the IG was looking into the situation this past summer, a revelation the media and GOP have seized on to suggest the White House may have covered up the scandal in the midst of a campaign. Issa is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee." Soooo... Issa is getting ready for the House to dodge the bullet already. GEE!!! Isn't THIS getting interesting!! Obama orders investigation into the IRS's practices, by not one, but TWO agencies, Treasury and FBI. Issa, the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee (YOU KNOW, the one that OVERSIGHTS these agencies in Congress - which happens to be Republican dominated) says... well wait a minute... lets take a non-partisan look at this... YET HE KNEW what the Inspector General would 'approximate' say... How very interesting. Sticking THIS one on the Admin may just backfire in the Congressional Republicans faces for accountability. Lets just see how it plays out:).
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 19, 2013 13:38:44 GMT -5
Helen you should be proud that your country has a news network like Fox. If not for them, how would Barry get briefed on all these scandals? Seems to me he is like a mushroom. Gets left in the dark. So he says . Even if Barry did not know or give the order to harass the Tea Parties. The BUCK STOPS AT HIS DESK. Hard to believe him when he surrounded himself with terrorists and crooks. Hard to believe a man that is ashamed of his own collage records. Who leaked Romney's tax records?
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Post by helens on May 19, 2013 15:13:02 GMT -5
I should be proud of a tabloid that prints all other media's 32nd page news on their front page? Hate to tell you, but Congressional hearings are what Congress DOES. It's their job, and what they do every single day. Yet to Fox, it's front page news because there's a chance it might get Obama in trouble. Oh please.
As for Romney's tax records, I'll bet it was a hero in the IRS. Heck, if I worked in the IRS and saw the cheating on Republican returns like Romney's, I'd be hella tempted to leak them too, it should be considered a public service to show how a Presidential candidate hid money in multiple untraceable 'offshore' nations. That Americans were offered a disgusting CROOK for a candidate. Anyway, someone should give that person a medal.
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