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Post by snuffy on Mar 9, 2014 6:29:38 GMT -5
I live in the middle of an oilfield. Fracking has been going on since the 70's here.If they run them out of Colorado,they are welcome to come here,we welcome them to Texas!
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Post by lparker on Mar 9, 2014 7:46:36 GMT -5
The big problem with that article is that it pretty much ignored the fact that, up until 2009, the fracking was done in vertical wells. The technology and dangers changed when they went to horizontal drilling/fracking. Methinks the article was written by a gas Co. PR person. Until the oil industry can prove without a doubt that horizontal fracking only makes horizontal fractures as in vertical fracking, they will have a hard sell. Lee #1
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Post by parfive on Mar 9, 2014 13:50:11 GMT -5
Why all the fuss? I dunno. Why doncha ask Dick Armey or Rex Tillerson? BONUS QUESTION: Where d’ya think these friggin’ whiners live?
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 9, 2014 14:23:15 GMT -5
The big problem with that article is that it pretty much ignored the fact that, up until 2009, the fracking was done in vertical wells. The technology and dangers changed when they went to horizontal drilling/fracking. Methinks the article was written by a gas Co. PR person. Until the oil industry can prove without a doubt that horizontal fracking only makes horizontal fractures as in vertical fracking, they will have a hard sell. Lee #1 Could you explain your theory a little more. And please inform us about the difference between fracing the same formation vertically and horizontally. I have done both and I did not see any difference. Please enlighten us with your expertise.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 9, 2014 14:32:32 GMT -5
I will make you a bet Rich. I say all them anti fracing EU countries will be changing there minds now that Russia is planning on expansion. Bet they are pissing their pants saying "why did we listen to them enviromental retards" Russia owns us due to our dependence on Russian Nat-Gas. I say Germany and France will be the first rethink their ban. LMAO big time.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 9, 2014 14:53:18 GMT -5
I wish I could type my grand dads accent. Putin calls His next country victim. Come join our great country. Victim-No thanks Vlad Putin- Hey Resnic, turn that valve that says France down a few turns. Victim- You can't do that, I will call Washington Putin- Wanna borrow my phone ( my best Russian laugh) ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, close it up,Ressnic!
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Post by lparker on Mar 10, 2014 7:25:27 GMT -5
Oh, sorry Bushmanbilly. I was just recalling the propaganda put out by the gas companies showing the fractures in their cheesy graphics - horizontal fractures in vertical wells - vertical fractures in horizontal wells.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 10, 2014 12:02:00 GMT -5
Parker, do you know what a cap rock formation is? I will explain it to you in simple terms so you will understand it. Above the shale formations there is a what they call "cap rock". This cap rock formation is what keeps the gas and oil in the shale formation from migrating upwards towards the surface. This cap rock is a hard impermeable layer. The shale is soft in compared to the cap rock. When directional drilling occurs in the shale formation. They can steer the drill bit and control it. Jeff from Alaska can explain the DD better than I can since he does it for a living.
When they frac the shale zone. Its the shale that gets fractured not the cap rock. It takes extreme pressures to fracture the cap rock. These pressures are never reach during a frac. It would not be in the interest of the oil company to fracture the cap rock. It would ruin the well and make all that money spent for not. BTW a horizontal frac does not only frac vertically. They perforate the pipe so it frac's in ALL directions.
Parker you talk about propaganda!!! Show us proof of any damage to water supplies. Why will Josh Fox not debate his movie with the other side? Why does he have reporters removed if they ask the wrong questions? Because he is full of bullshit. You should really watch the show FracNation. This is an independent take on fracking. Not funded by big oil. Funded by small donations from everyday ordinary people. Josh Fox refused to tell his side in the film when asked. Why? Because he is a fraud!!!!
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 10, 2014 12:18:21 GMT -5
Must watch
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Post by jakesrocks on Mar 10, 2014 12:31:20 GMT -5
Just get the fracking greenies and politicians out of the way, and let us do what's best for our own country for a change.
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Post by lparker on Mar 11, 2014 14:52:52 GMT -5
Parker, do you know what a cap rock formation is? I will explain it to you in simple terms so you will understand it. Above the shale formations there is a what they call "cap rock". This cap rock formation is what keeps the gas and oil in the shale formation from migrating upwards towards the surface. This cap rock is a hard impermeable layer. The shale is soft in compared to the cap rock. When directional drilling occurs in the shale formation. They can steer the drill bit and control it. Jeff from Alaska can explain the DD better than I can since he does it for a living. When they frac the shale zone. Its the shale that gets fractured not the cap rock. It takes extreme pressures to fracture the cap rock. These pressures are never reach during a frac. It would not be in the interest of the oil company to fracture the cap rock. It would ruin the well and make all that money spent for not. BTW a horizontal frac does not only frac vertically. They perforate the pipe so it frac's in ALL directions. Parker you talk about propaganda!!! Show us proof of any damage to water supplies. Why will Josh Fox not debate his movie with the other side? Why does he have reporters removed if they ask the wrong questions? Because he is full of bullshit. You should really watch the show FracNation. This is an independent take on fracking. Not funded by big oil. Funded by small donations from everyday ordinary people. Josh Fox refused to tell his side in the film when asked. Why? Because he is a fraud!!!! "Cap rock. A cap rock, or seal, is a relatively impermeable rock that serves as a barrier between fluids and other rocks. Buoyant, migrating fluids remain trapped in the reservoir by the cap rock unless deformation or erosion breaches the seal. Salt and shale commonly have excellent sealing properties." from - www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/en/Terms.aspx?LookIn=term+name&filter=cap+rock . So fracking gas shale won't fracture caprock shale? www.scientificamerican.com/article/groundwater-contamination-may-end-the-gas-fracking-boom/Waiting for the EPA studies to be completed. Never watched the movie.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 12, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
Parker, do you know what a cap rock formation is? I will explain it to you in simple terms so you will understand it. Above the shale formations there is a what they call "cap rock". This cap rock formation is what keeps the gas and oil in the shale formation from migrating upwards towards the surface. This cap rock is a hard impermeable layer. The shale is soft in compared to the cap rock. When directional drilling occurs in the shale formation. They can steer the drill bit and control it. Jeff from Alaska can explain the DD better than I can since he does it for a living. When they frac the shale zone. Its the shale that gets fractured not the cap rock. It takes extreme pressures to fracture the cap rock. These pressures are never reach during a frac. It would not be in the interest of the oil company to fracture the cap rock. It would ruin the well and make all that money spent for not. BTW a horizontal frac does not only frac vertically. They perforate the pipe so it frac's in ALL directions. Parker you talk about propaganda!!! Show us proof of any damage to water supplies. Why will Josh Fox not debate his movie with the other side? Why does he have reporters removed if they ask the wrong questions? Because he is full of bullshit. You should really watch the show FracNation. This is an independent take on fracking. Not funded by big oil. Funded by small donations from everyday ordinary people. Josh Fox refused to tell his side in the film when asked. Why? Because he is a fraud!!!! "Cap rock. A cap rock, or seal, is a relatively impermeable rock that serves as a barrier between fluids and other rocks. Buoyant, migrating fluids remain trapped in the reservoir by the cap rock unless deformation or erosion breaches the seal. Salt and shale commonly have excellent sealing properties." from - www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/en/Terms.aspx?LookIn=term+name&filter=cap+rock . So fracking gas shale won't fracture caprock shale? www.scientificamerican.com/article/groundwater-contamination-may-end-the-gas-fracking-boom/Waiting for the EPA studies to be completed. Never watched the movie. Parker you being a fellow rock hound will understand this. News flash! Parker Gem Mining Inc discovers rich vein of Fluorite. This vein is trapped just below a massive Granite layer (cap rock). Now as your mining Parker would it be a smart thing to drill and fracture the Granite cap rock? Not unless you want the ceiling to fall in on you. Same goes in the oilfield. If the cap rock falls on the horizontal pipe it can crush it and possibly ruin the well. So yes the cap rock can be fractured. But the frac crews never reaches a high enough pressure to damage it. They know the fracture pressure of the pay zone before they even begin the job. The pressures are recorded and sent to the EPA or state board for every job and are stored in well files. If you never watched any of the clips I posted. At least watch the last one. The EPA has its findings recorded as they give them to the land owners. The EPA found no contamination in their well water. They were frauds to just like Josh Fox. Parker do you use any weed or bug killer on your lawn? Do you wash your driveway? If you do do you are contaminating the ground water faster than any oil spill ever will. They don't water a oil spill every other day like home owners do their grass and gardens. I think your fighting the wrong battle if your concerned about the water supply.
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Post by lparker on Mar 12, 2014 19:09:25 GMT -5
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