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Post by glennz01 on Sept 27, 2014 1:56:21 GMT -5
I have personally been heavily into lapidary for about a year.. before that i only had a small 3 lb tumbler which i did not consider heavily lapidary or really lapidary at all.. just a tumbler person at that time as i didn't do anything special with the tumbled rocks (well i eventually lost most of them when I was a kid). I have been working with my co-workers lapidary equipment for many years.
As for my budget for lapidary / rock / rock hounding/ other hobbies /having fun, i only take what i get from the PFD residents of our state get, towards my hobby's, This year's PFD will be $1,894 which will be my budget for next year... this years budget was lower. As for everything else i work all summer and winter to pay for my college, vehicle, gas, and food... in about 2 years i will have to find a place to live.. which will mean looking for a higher paying job so i don't go into dept.. I consider that being broke. I am hoping that with the cabbing unit can pay for my hobbies / fun eventually. What i have left in my budget for this year is not much but enough to get some stuff. come time next year i probably won't put much money into rocks until close to summers end like it is now..
And i will give it a rest accept for my research unless there are 1st post related questions
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 6:15:24 GMT -5
How many hundreds of pounds of rock have you tumbled to über perfection?just curious.the thread you are creating may be leading newbies down the wrong road.you say that you've been heavily into lapidary for a "year".your still a newbie.you came to this site to learn,and now you want to be a teacher.youve only been a member for a couple of months,you should stick with the advice that people give that have been into it for a while.im not trying to be an a-hole but I think your being a little over zealous.
Here's a quote.
If it ain't broke,don't fix it.:-) Dave
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 8:02:56 GMT -5
you came to this site to learn, Dave Hi Dave; He does seem to be learning. glennz01 did you read any of jamesp stuff I linked you too?
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Post by MrP on Sept 27, 2014 8:33:45 GMT -5
Years ago I worked with a young man who was extremely ‘confidant’. I decided to help him out as this was going to get in his way of a successful career. I talked with him, explaining the difference between confidence and arrogance. Instead of tuning me out, he listened. Here is a part of what we discussed:
Confidence- Knowing something because you have been taught by somebody who knows it, has experienced it, has made mistakes and learned from them, etc. Or, you have learned from your mistakes and experiences over time, admitting error when necessary and learning, researching and training, etc.
Arrogance: You just know it because you believe you are smarter and better and in some cases more educated than those who have spent the time and effort to learn and do it right.
The next day he came in and thanked me for taking the time to explain the difference to him.
He said, “Thank you for telling me the difference. I was beginning to think I was arrogant, but now I realize it is confidence!”
You just can’t help some people.................MrP
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Post by deb193redux on Sept 27, 2014 15:19:47 GMT -5
We should let this rest. To my eye, Glenn has some difficulty communicating. Perhaps high functioning Aspergers, or some such. I suspect he truly does not understand why people are upset. Changing his threads further annoys people - but I see this as honest but ineffective attempt to be responsive. Clueless, but sincere.
In addition his posts are sometimes a bit incoherent. He also got a little over excited (or grandiose, or manic, or swept away in a vision) in some of the threads he wanted to start. Maybe he was sad or lonely, or just really wanted to connect.
It is commendable that many tried to explain, to point out problems. Some lost patience sooner, or assumed bad intentions, and this did not help resolve things. But it is becoming clear that further explaining will just amount to piling on or unkindness.
I realize there is some concern for "newbies being led astray", but I think it is best if we just view/value Glenn as quirky and diverse. He is not trying to cheat anyone. There is value in diversity. There is value in not continuing to argue when words don't work.
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Post by unclesoska on Sept 27, 2014 17:13:03 GMT -5
We should let this rest. To my eye, Glenn has some difficulty communicating. Perhaps high functioning Aspergers, or some such. I suspect he truly does not understand why people are upset. Changing his threads further annoys people - but I see this as honest but ineffective attempt to be responsive. Clueless, but sincere. In addition his posts are sometimes a bit incoherent. He also got a little over excited (or grandiose, or manic, or swept away in a vision) in some of the threads he wanted to start. Maybe he was sad or lonely, or just really wanted to connect. It is commendable that many tried to explain, to point out problems. Some lost patience sooner, or assumed bad intentions, and this did not help resolve things. But it is becoming clear that further explaining will just amount to piling on or unkindness. I realize there is some concern for "newbies being led astray", but I think it is best if we just view/value Glenn as quirky and diverse. He is not trying to cheat anyone. There is value in diversity. There is value in not continuing to argue when words don't work. Way to let it rest! Launch into a psychoanalysis why don't you. Really, everyone, leave the kid alone. It's not mandatory to respond and dissect every little nuance. "Ignorance is Bliss" root word being IGNORE.
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Post by MrP on Sept 27, 2014 18:25:15 GMT -5
We should let this rest. To my eye, Glenn has some difficulty communicating. Perhaps high functioning Aspergers, or some such. I suspect he truly does not understand why people are upset. Changing his threads further annoys people - but I see this as honest but ineffective attempt to be responsive. Clueless, but sincere. In addition his posts are sometimes a bit incoherent. He also got a little over excited (or grandiose, or manic, or swept away in a vision) in some of the threads he wanted to start. Maybe he was sad or lonely, or just really wanted to connect. It is commendable that many tried to explain, to point out problems. Some lost patience sooner, or assumed bad intentions, and this did not help resolve things. But it is becoming clear that further explaining will just amount to piling on or unkindness. I realize there is some concern for "newbies being led astray", but I think it is best if we just view/value Glenn as quirky and diverse. He is not trying to cheat anyone. There is value in diversity. There is value in not continuing to argue when words don't work. Maybe you should carefully read my post!.........MrP
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Post by captbob on Sept 27, 2014 18:40:12 GMT -5
MrP, is there a thread somewhere showing your shelves and maybe what is on them? I think I remember one from last time I was around, but you pointing would be easier than my searching! Thanks
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Post by MrP on Sept 27, 2014 19:10:03 GMT -5
Captbob I gave the old one a bump......MrP
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Post by deb193redux on Sept 27, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
Way to let it rest! Launch into a psychoanalysis why don't you. Really, everyone, leave the kid alone. It's not mandatory to respond and dissect every little nuance. "Ignorance is Bliss" root word being IGNORE. Well we already knew you were a bit nasty. Why go out of you way to confirm it. You think that people can declare him "arrogant" or "insulting", without even qualifying with "in my opinion" - yet when I offer qualified opinion ("to my eyes". "I suspect", "Perhaps" ... etc.) and approach things from disordered communication instead of arrogance or character flaw, you attack me. Uncle, I see you.
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Post by braders on Sept 27, 2014 21:35:04 GMT -5
The way I take glenns post was as a fellow lad interested in rocks just like you and I!! The only way any of us are where we are now is from the help of others,lots of reading and messing up big time which I still do and iv been at it for some time now but we all go about the way we express our selfs differently and I think glenn just gets excited as hell about rocks sometimes is all ha ha !!! just gets the buggy in front of the horse sometimes but I get what your trying to do here glenn and appreciate your time your putting into your passion , you'll get there keep it up buddy !!
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Post by gingerkid on Sept 27, 2014 22:37:17 GMT -5
Maybe Glenn should have said 'experiments' instead of improvements. He edited his posts after it was pointed out to him. I have conversed with Glenn since I purchased the prehnite specimen from him. I believe he is a very polite young man. I've made a couple of suggestions to Glenn concerning supporting his hobby, and it's up to him to decide what he wants to do. I respect what decision he makes and it's not my place to judge him based on what decision he makes even if I don't agree with it and I will not discourage him. Glenn also does not have the support system at home concerning his lapidary hobby. He has mentioned this previously on the forum. The way I take glenns post was as a fellow lad interested in rocks just like you and I!! The only way any of us are where we are now is from the help of others,lots of reading and messing up big time which I still do and iv been at it for some time now but we all go about the way we express our selfs differently and I think glenn just gets excited as hell about rocks sometimes is all ha ha !!! just gets the buggy in front of the horse sometimes but I get what your trying to do here glenn and appreciate your time your putting into your passion , you'll get there keep it up buddy !! Keep on experimenting with your tumbles, glennz01! If it weren't for people trying 'new things,' there would not be any progress.
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 30, 2014 0:09:56 GMT -5
Had to change the grit on my 40 lb tumbler today so i decided to check on the tumbler with the tungsten carbide.. It is taking the oxidation off the rock much faster than I anticipated... Also starting to break down lots of the basalt around the agates already. I forgot to put some anti-foam solution in before i started so it was a little foamy.
Based on past experience here is what i expect come next monday with my tungsten carbide batch.
1. The softer stones will be very smooth possibly ready for stage 3 2. The harder stones like flint will have all oxidation removed and will have a "wind blown" natural looking polish 3. The grit will still be usable for many more batches.
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Post by captbob on Sept 30, 2014 0:26:31 GMT -5
Why didn't you simply add more grit to what was in there - or were you doing a clean out going to a different grit size?
What are you tumbling in this load?
I've dropped in a Tums or two before if it was a foamy load which worked fine.
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 30, 2014 2:34:00 GMT -5
Why didn't you simply add more grit to what was in there - or were you doing a clean out going to a different grit size? What are you tumbling in this load? I've dropped in a Tums or two before if it was a foamy load which worked fine. In the 40 lb tumbler i take out all the rocks and see what ones are ready for the next stage, the ones that are ready for stage 2 go in a bin (which is most of them) the ones that are not go back in and i add more rough material and run for anther week... i usually do 3 loads of stage before i go to stage 2 so i always start with a 3/4 full barrel. I also had to take a lot of slurry out as it was very thick this time (after 2 rounds of not taking the slurry out) To keep the foam down i also use tums. Tungsten Carbide likes to make foam though for some reason... much worse with the smaller grit size i have. In this load (for the 40 lb tumbler) i am tumbling a mix of things, mostly: flint, agate, jasper, river rock. I am only using silicon carbide for my 40 lb tumbler as due to the speeds it is fast enough for me... not sure if there will be a time i use Tungsten... Possibly when i tumble up a batch of counter-top Labradorite just to make it go faster. I will not be posting pics of stuff from my 40 lb tumbler on this thread unless i do decide to try something new.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 30, 2014 3:52:49 GMT -5
I tumble a lot of metals in the rotary Glenn. They always produce foam. All metals. It does not matter when tumbling soft metals, they tumble quickly because they are soft. But if you mix metals w/rocks the foam will hinder the grinding of the rocks. I have always added sugar to reduce foam and it works on rocks. But not w/metals. The grit/slurry is acidic and it reacts w/the metal causing bubbles which leads to foam. The Tums is a good direction but the reaction of the grit may overcome the buffering of the Tums.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 30, 2014 4:14:07 GMT -5
Some of the gas bubbles from tumbling certain metals:
The second method will generate a lot of hydrogen that can be used for some bigger 'rockets'.
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Post by captbob on Sept 30, 2014 9:40:42 GMT -5
I will not be posting pics of stuff from my 40 lb tumbler on this thread unless i do decide to try something new. PLUS they keep us interested!
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 30, 2014 13:13:16 GMT -5
I will not be posting pics of stuff from my 40 lb tumbler on this thread unless i do decide to try something new. PLUS they keep us interested! Well i guess i can make a new category in this threat with one of my reserved threads... I might remake my initial tumbling process that i used for my 12 lb as the previous tutorial i had was somewhat incomplete (for my 40 lb i can only do stage 1 as i have not moved to stage 2) although next week i start stage 2 in my 40 lb tumbler and i will probably start with what i am doing now for stage one only with stage 2 grit. I have not thought about using sugar to cut down the bubbles... I'll throw some in today before i head to college... need to go there anyway as i was in a hurry to head home so i cough* ( forgot to add stage 1 grit in my 40 lb). Might bring back a few stage 1 finished rocks to photograph.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:20:37 GMT -5
Now, this is a real work in progress thread.
Nice job Glenn. You're still a cute kid.
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