snuffy
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Post by snuffy on Nov 18, 2014 8:24:35 GMT -5
Here are some pics of tiny points found in a campsite on our old homeplace.In my research many call these "bird" points.Some have claimed they were "toys"used to make small weapons for the kids to learn to use.Whatever the use,they made me happy when I found them.Some fine knapping went on!Enjoy. My favorite on a dime Thanks for looking snuffy
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alan
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Post by alan on Nov 18, 2014 8:58:12 GMT -5
These arent toy points or bird points... These are the actual arrowheads used with a bow and arrow... the larger ones were used with either a spear, dart or as knife blades... The bottom one looks like it is a Perdiz type... I also see an Edwards type on the bottom right... Looks like nice south texas material...
Alan
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Post by captbob on Nov 18, 2014 9:05:43 GMT -5
Very cool. These look much like what I used to find in central Florida so many decades ago. Thanks for posting them!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 9:59:53 GMT -5
Finding that many whole ones is amazing. Most that are found here are broken from animals stepping on them. Hard ground and cows are a menace for arrow heads. Really nice batch. Jim
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 18, 2014 10:17:02 GMT -5
I used to find similar obsidian points on Miwok sites back in Commiefornia. Took some to show the archeologist at my college. He pointed out that many of the SF Bay area tribes used such points on arrows in warfare. The theory is the barbs and serrations are for expanding the wound channel to increase bleeding and make the point difficult to withdraw and for dipping in human excrement. The barbs help retain the excrement and some of the poisoned barbs break off in the wound when folks try and extract the head. The excrement then causes severe fatal infection. Not nice but it makes sense to me as many of the Amerinds in that region were headhunter types that engaged in a lot of revenge type warfare much like the natives of Borneo.....Mel
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Fossilman
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Post by Fossilman on Nov 18, 2014 11:03:17 GMT -5
Snuffy,those are beautiful points!!!!!! SCORE!!!! Bird points are getting rare,nice finds!! Thumbs up
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Post by orrum on Nov 18, 2014 15:46:53 GMT -5
Someone told me that the little ones are cerrimowas made.nial and laid on the ground where a kill
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Post by snowmom on Nov 18, 2014 16:18:52 GMT -5
those are so nicely made! I have never seen one like that one at the 12 o clock position.. is there a name for that style? When my grandpa (born late 1880's) was young, he walked behind a horse drawn plow and found many arrowheads. There was a whole big wooden cigar box full of them and some melted copper he had picked up. (this was on the northern Illinois/Wisconsin border.) I had possession of this family treasure for many years until recently passing them on to the next generation. They were about 1200 years old according to sources I could find.. only a couple little ones, most were a great deal larger than the ones here. I have only found a few broken pieces of woodland era ones and a couple of scrapers over the years but never have gone out looking deliberately for them. arrowheads are such fascinating things- thanks for the show, bet these are family treasures handed down for generations too!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 18, 2014 18:28:40 GMT -5
Fine Texas points. They look like they are made to damage flesh. That yellow material must be one of choice. Guessing you have a variety of agates to work with in your area. William Bartram travelled early America around the south east and reported seeing native Americans using small bows for small game. With great accuracy.
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quartz
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Post by quartz on Nov 18, 2014 23:24:52 GMT -5
Nice, nice points, thanks for showing. Fairly rare to find them unbroken here.
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alan
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Post by alan on Nov 19, 2014 8:42:18 GMT -5
The point at 12 O'clock can still be classified as a Perdiz type. Arrowhead typology is typically determined by the style of manufacture of the base since resharpening often changes the shape of the point and edges closer to the tip. Serrations are more often found in the initial stage before resharpening has taken place...
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alan
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Post by alan on Nov 19, 2014 8:43:56 GMT -5
Perdiz is a local Texas type... The style is considered corner notched with contracting base...
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iamnoone
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Post by iamnoone on Nov 19, 2014 22:47:56 GMT -5
Great work!
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Post by carloscinco on Nov 20, 2014 22:42:17 GMT -5
Those are beautiful! Stir the imagination. I haven't found a point since I grew up.
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Post by pghram on Nov 21, 2014 15:48:35 GMT -5
Great finds!
Rich
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