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Post by dtcmor on Feb 19, 2015 5:22:36 GMT -5
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Post by snowmom on Feb 19, 2015 6:49:24 GMT -5
what a wonderful find, and its great that they have gone to a home that truly appreciates them. My grandfather found arrowheads and other implements as he walked behind a horse drawn plow in the late 1890's, and they have been passed down in the family. We found they ranged from prehistoric right up to woodland era work. Fascinating to look at and a direct connection to the hands that made them in ways that other 'hand me downs' will never have. Thanks for the post, and congratulations on a wonderful find!
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Post by tkvancil on Feb 19, 2015 10:12:00 GMT -5
Nice find. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 19, 2015 10:57:21 GMT -5
HOLY MOLY Dave!!!!! What a SCORE!!! Just one of those points payed for the whole collection...
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Post by jamesp on Feb 19, 2015 12:44:43 GMT -5
Buck Knife sure does make life easier. Fine assortment. The converted celt is a real find.
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Post by quartz on Feb 19, 2015 15:32:38 GMT -5
A good find anyone would be proud of. We run across lots of chipping sites in the brush, but only crumbs remain. Nice to see a show of finished product, thanks.
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 19, 2015 17:41:48 GMT -5
I found a few here in Oregon (surface finds) ,but the laws are so wacked in Oregon,I just gave it up hunting artifacts here!!!!
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Post by dtcmor on Feb 19, 2015 22:53:40 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I'm really glad to have gotten these, not only from a historical standpoint, but as a knapper, it shows me that not all of the ancients made the perfect point either. I can see many flaws and imperfections that help me understand my mistakes as well. It also shows me that I was right about the local scources of materials they used, which is much the same as I collect and knap myself.
Fossilman - Ohio is still pretty liberal about collecting laws and it is possible in my area to find artifacts just about anywhere you look. The hard part is getting permission from the farmers to walk their fields because they collect also. I have many old timers tell me about their stashes they have found over the years and I like to hear them tell their stories at some of the shows I do. Another thing that makes finding them hard is that the farmers don't plow much anymore, its all no-till, and the artifacts aren't being brought up to the surface like they used to be when they deep plowed.
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Post by agatemaggot on Feb 20, 2015 4:28:20 GMT -5
The no till farming really slowed down the point collecting but, you can still have a hoot metal detesting the old camps. Lots of interesting goodies still in the ground out there !
Harley
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 5:30:35 GMT -5
Nice score.its funny how you you commented on the quality of knapping,as points get older (bp)the quality increases,tighter pressure flakes,diagonal flakes,etc... As points were made closer to present time quality diminished.i call it lazy .the way of modern man and modern materials.im actually working on a 5000 acre spread this week in Leakey tx.we are finishing early today and going artifact hunting with the owner.sorry had to do it I'll post pics upon my return. Dave
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 20, 2015 10:44:26 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I'm really glad to have gotten these, not only from a historical standpoint, but as a knapper, it shows me that not all of the ancients made the perfect point either. I can see many flaws and imperfections that help me understand my mistakes as well. It also shows me that I was right about the local scources of materials they used, which is much the same as I collect and knap myself. Fossilman - Ohio is still pretty liberal about collecting laws and it is possible in my area to find artifacts just about anywhere you look. The hard part is getting permission from the farmers to walk their fields because they collect also. I have many old timers tell me about their stashes they have found over the years and I like to hear them tell their stories at some of the shows I do. Another thing that makes finding them hard is that the farmers don't plow much anymore, its all no-till, and the artifacts aren't being brought up to the surface like they used to be when they deep plowed. North Dakota and Montana let people hunt arrowheads too,as long as it's on private property and you have permission.. I have a few finds from those states also.....
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Post by quartz on Feb 20, 2015 14:18:43 GMT -5
I've got a mortar, but very different than yours, ~11" square. Found on the Trask River in N.W. Oregon in the mid sixties.
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Post by dtcmor on Feb 20, 2015 19:54:12 GMT -5
Arrowheadave - when I mentioned the quality of the pieces, I was talking about the materials and some of the defects. Many of these artifacts have hinges and steps which is what I run into alot with my own knapping. I can look at their pieces and see why I have the same problems. Hope you have a good trip and find a bunch! Cant wait to the pics!
Quartz - that is a really interesting piece! From the picture, and the way it is cupped, I would say it is the other end -the pestle. They would have used a mortar to grind against this piece. Very cool find!
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Post by quartz on Feb 21, 2015 0:41:12 GMT -5
I checked Wikipedia to see if I was right before putting it up. The description there says mortar is the "bowl" and pestle is the hand held tool used to grind material in the mortar. I don't see this stuff often enough to keep it straight myself. I didn't mean to jump your thread by putting the pic. up, was hoping for maybe a more informed description of it [proper term]. You said your piece was cupped on the lower end, I read into that perhaps a small container to grind medicinals or colorants in small quantities. I have called it an Indian fishing seat for years, used by someone who ate too much venison that had yet to naturally cool down; because of the pock marks in it. Glad you like it, artifacts are very rare on this side of the state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 2:13:34 GMT -5
Or you could just call it a metate. Nice pieces!
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Post by dtcmor on Feb 21, 2015 8:35:26 GMT -5
Quartz - You are right, I had them backwards. Thanks for the clarification! You have a mortar, and mine is the pestal. Yours does look its a seat too - haha. It is amazing how they used these to grind up the various things, but its even more amazing that it was the normal for them for thousands of years. We are spoiled with our modern utensiles and electric do-alls.I have a few other pestles and a couple of flat mortar pieces also. They are all refurbished and at one time had been used as celts or hammers before they were broken. I will have to dig tem out of my show box and take some picks to post.
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Post by quartz on Feb 21, 2015 23:15:56 GMT -5
Can't explain why, but the terms mortar and pestle seem backwards to me, as far as what they are, that's why I looked it up.
rocks2dust: Thanks for the term "metate", I looked it up and think it is more fitting than "mortar".
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Post by delo on Feb 24, 2015 11:52:53 GMT -5
Its always great hearing about a find like this! Glad they went to a good home where they can be appreciated!
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Post by johnjsgems on Feb 27, 2015 19:04:51 GMT -5
Great find. Once while hiking up one of the Indian palm canyons above Palm Springs I came across a boulder out cropping with 6 or seven ground holes for mortars. I could picture the ladies grinding their mesquite seeds, pine nuts, etc. while gossiping about their men. Once while at Demming show a neighbor had bags of fossils (crinoid stems and other marine fossils) labeled from $.50 to $2. I was figuring what each bag would cost at $.50 to $2 each fossil and planned on making an offer for all. Found out it was $.50 to $2 per bag and jumped all over it. Sometimes great deals just find us.
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