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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 21:15:33 GMT -5
The gaboon viper is awesome and could probably survive on your property, based on what you have taught me here.
Fortunately they are forest floor, leaf mimic, highly camouflaged sit and wait predators. About as big a problem as a mokasin Or timber rattler. Do your forests have rabbit size prey?
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Post by jamesp on Aug 1, 2015 22:38:56 GMT -5
The gaboon viper is awesome and could probably survive on your property, based on what you have taught me here. Fortunately they are forest floor, leaf mimic, highly camouflaged sit and wait predators. About as big a problem as a mokasin Or timber rattler. Do your forests have rabbit size prey? There must be 100-200 squirrels and chipmunks each on 30 acres, dozens of rabbits. Add field rats/mice. Most of the trees-hickory, oak, many nuts. So the rodents.
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Post by tims on Aug 1, 2015 22:54:50 GMT -5
Cool. I really like the mottled gray and brown point on the far right / center. Is that an axe in the bottom right corner?
And that 3rd one the orange flint is gorgeous. Is that a small geode cavity on the tip end?
You can really tell their source material was limited. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by snowmom on Aug 2, 2015 5:25:02 GMT -5
Fantastic place to get away. All your properties seem to have extra treasures! Thanks for the share and show, it seems unreal to somebody raised on the prairie and in the northern woods. Bucket list has Fl on it. Sister goes there often in the back waters, swears there are pools of Siamese fighting fish and guppies... no doubt released like the others mentioned above. I love the idea that so many of the house plants I enjoy here grow wild or are used for landscape there. A whole 'nother world. Giant land snails were a problem in Fl a while back and I heard people had begun harvesting them for escargot. Maybe not as bad a problem now, and probably regional as the rest of the invasives. What are all the critters grazing on in your neighbor's yard. Must be something they put out to attract them? At least they won't have to fertilize the lawn. Not a place to go barefoot! going to look up soap berry trees... I always learn a lot from your posts.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 2, 2015 6:56:32 GMT -5
Fantastic place to get away. All your properties seem to have extra treasures! Thanks for the share and show, it seems unreal to somebody raised on the prairie and in the northern woods. Bucket list has Fl on it. Sister goes there often in the back waters, swears there are pools of Siamese fighting fish and guppies... no doubt released like the others mentioned above. I love the idea that so many of the house plants I enjoy here grow wild or are used for landscape there. A whole 'nother world. Giant land snails were a problem in Fl a while back and I heard people had begun harvesting them for escargot. Maybe not as bad a problem now, and probably regional as the rest of the invasives. What are all the critters grazing on in your neighbor's yard. Must be something they put out to attract them? At least they won't have to fertilize the lawn. Not a place to go barefoot! going to look up soap berry trees... I always learn a lot from your posts. L. George is a peculiar habitat Deb. My goal was to travel south the shortest distance from Atlanta to collect tropical wetland plants 20 years ago. L. George has the St. John's River flowing into it from the south, so warm water. Bringing tropical and invasive wetland species up with it from S Florida. Add millions of gallons per day of springs in and around the lake. So closest tropical zone by far closest to Atlanta. The end result is a micro habitat of warmth. It is almost two plant zones warmer around the lake, and just a quarter mile away from the lake is very freeze prone. At the same time, 10 degrees cooler in the summer. No complaints there. So bromeliads, cactus, orchids and other tropicals do fine there. The neighborhood grows bunches of exotic tropicals. And I have tropical aquatics on my spot growing in artesian fed shallow pond. And some crazy tropical bamboos. I should have planted a collection of tropical bamboos and palms, they grow extra fast with the moist warm winds from the lake in almost 3 directions. But those plants are bulky to dig and transport. Only one neighbor thru woods on south side has an acre full of tropicals, that is his hobby. So I learned a lot from him. He is from New Jersey and we play Confederate vs Union card all the time in jest. He always wins cause he is a know-it all and that frustrates me into submission. I have taken many tropical plant savvy clients there and they educated me on the plant life, including the soap berry trees. which may be in the sapindus family. Also city aquarium clients looking for reptiles for the Tennessee and Atlanta aquarium. Neither of their herpetologists were comfortable around the gators, ha. So I was contracted to catch for them. Large moccasins/ coral snakes/rattlers/indigo snake/tortoise/ snappers and soft shells etc. I caught them, they licensed them and provided required amount of anti-venom if necessary. I believe the coral snake anti-venom is $5000 per location. The lakefront I purchased was cheap because they thought it was wetland. But it was not. Plant species proved that. They just never hired a wetland delineation study. Lots of water frontage deals in Florida because people think their property is wetland. Most delineation done by plant study. So I had a bit of an edge on that note. Yes, the neighbor feeds the animals. Other neighbors get angry due to deer eating their landscape. The bear are my enemy, always tearing my fence down. Drought years makes poor palm fruit crop, and they come out of the woods and eat our trash. They just climb our fences and crush them. Even expensive chain link. I sleep in a small upstairs room, the kitchen is below me and open air. Darn bears raid it. One started up the stairs and was pushing on the attic type door. Rude awakening, I dropped a fence post driver on his head from above. A young one, not cautious. It hung around my whole visit. Would peek around 3-4 inch trees, as if I didn't see the rest of it's body. Not the sharpest knife in the stack. The turkeys are tiny, Osceola turkeys. A tiny Florida variety. The ferneries across the lake utilize them for insect control. Huge flocks. And the owls are very curious. They land in a limb not a few feet away and watch you as if an alien. You can't hear them. Then they hoot and scare you to death. They are freaky critters when curious. Not sure what their motivation is. Never see owls in Atlanta, all very shy. The Bald Eagles live a life of theft there, they wait for the skilled osprey to catch a fish and then fly him down and steal from them. Constantly. So it is a interesting wildlife spot. My place is the last private spot for 5 miles along the lake. So the wildlife stays at my place. I sit on the porch and watch the critters. Never a dull moment.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 2, 2015 7:17:01 GMT -5
Cool. I really like the mottled gray and brown point on the far right / center. Is that an axe in the bottom right corner? And that 3rd one the orange flint is gorgeous. Is that a small geode cavity on the tip end? You can really tell their source material was limited. Thanks for sharing. Lot of theories about what an axe is tims. Hard to tell since the handle is always rotted away. The upper 3 finds are polished-river finds. The sand flowing over them polishes them. They make points out of chert and petrified coral in Florida. The chert is closer, so about all those are chert. The brown one you pointed out is petrified algae, a third source of material used occasionally around the rivers. It is found where coral is found. Yes, a geodeish cavity. The lower left spear is a classic Marion, named after Marion County where the property is. They are sought after, similar to the Newnan design. Newnan named after Newnan Lake maybe 70 miles to the west. Some Newnans have sold for big money. The commercial fisherman hunt artifacts during their down season and sell them secretly to private collectors.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 2, 2015 7:50:03 GMT -5
Need to try some Dendrocalamous. It grows in Miami zone. Afraid the occasional freeze would damage it at Lake George. Probably a typical plant back in the dinosaur era, since horsetail used to grow to the size of trees. This stuff was breathtaking in Peru where large forests of it grew. Talk about some serious biological mass; how much tonnage/sq.ft. ?
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Post by snowmom on Aug 2, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -5
awesome! a true living fossil.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 18:20:27 GMT -5
Your description of the understory seems perfect for Gaboon vipers.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 2, 2015 19:59:58 GMT -5
Your description of the understory seems perfect for Gaboon vipers. What snake ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 20:42:27 GMT -5
Your description of the understory seems perfect for Gaboon vipers. What snake ? Exactly.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 3, 2015 2:08:06 GMT -5
@shotgunner The leaf litter in that photo looks like that from a S.E. U.S. forest. Beech and oak leaves.
They saw the snake near Atlanta. Would it survive the winter up here ?
Funny thing, I have bought 6 pieces of raw land in my life. Four of them were heavily occupied by native man. Two not. The two that I have a hard time selling are with out native encampments. All 6 AG property.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 12:01:40 GMT -5
Interesting that today's humans like to be in similar spots to the ancients. Kinda backs up an observation that wildlife are found in hot spots.
Those leaves may very well be from the south. Many venomous keepers found in South Carolina. That is a captive animal. Nobody photographing wild baboons in this manner. Nobody living always.
Yes, I believe they would survive winter.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 3, 2015 14:28:31 GMT -5
Interesting that today's humans like to be in similar spots to the ancients. Kinda backs up an observation that wildlife are found in hot spots. Those leaves may very well be from the south. Many venomous keepers found in South Carolina. That is a captive animal. Nobody photographing wild baboons in this manner. Nobody living always. Yes, I believe they would survive winter. It freaked them out that a gaboon was loose. They never caught it. Elderly lady took photos of it. Maybe a King Snake can squeeze it out. Or maybe not, what do you think ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:30:58 GMT -5
King snakes are big over there. Depends on size of the gaboon. Anything over a year old? No way!
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Post by jamesp on Aug 3, 2015 18:22:27 GMT -5
King snakes are big over there. Depends on size of the gaboon. Anything over a year old? No way! How big does gaboon get ? Kings ave 3-5 feet around my home. but have seen 28 inch king give a heavy 35 inch water snake a total whipping. Respect the kings...But tropical snakes can be very fast and athletic. Your saying a 1+ year gaboon is too much for a king to handle ?
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Post by gingerkid on Aug 3, 2015 21:22:25 GMT -5
Saw something about the Gaboon viper on WSB-TV this afternoon, jamesp and @shotgunner. Posted a link to the story in Billy's FuBaR thread. There's a cellphone pic of the snake on WSB-TV's webpage (in the link). They talked to some people that live close to where the snake was photographed, and many think (hope) it's a hoax. Too funny about the black bear peeking around the tree at you, James.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 3, 2015 21:33:36 GMT -5
Saw something about the Gaboon viper on WSB-TV this afternoon, jamesp and @shotgunner. Posted a link to the story in Billy's FuBaR thread. There's a cellphone pic of the snake on WSB-TV's webpage (in the link). They talked to some people that live close to where the snake was photographed, and many think (hope) it's a hoax. Too funny about the black bear peeking around the tree at you, James. It stirred up some stuff. Suits me if it is a hoax. Yea, that bear was a dunce Jan. His Mama did not teach him anything.
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Post by gingerkid on Aug 3, 2015 21:45:20 GMT -5
ROFL! Haven't seen a bear in LaGrange, jamesp, but they spotted one in town in Hogansville a couple of years ago shopping downtown, and they tranquilized then relocated it. Will you and Denise retire to paradise in Florida, or stay in Georgia? Here's a pic I found of the snake on WCNC's website. I hope it's a hoax, too. The only thing that makes me think it may not be a hoax is that a woman took the pic with her cell phone (earlier this month?). Remember the Georgia boys that got into trouble for the dead Bigfoot body hoax?
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Post by jamesp on Aug 3, 2015 22:02:55 GMT -5
ROFL! Haven't seen a bear in LaGrange, jamesp, but they spotted one in town in Hogansville a couple of years ago shopping downtown, and they tranquilized then relocated it. Will you and Denise retire to paradise in Florida, or stay in Georgia? Here's a pic I found of the snake on WCNC's website. I hope it's a hoax, too. The only thing that makes me think it may not be a hoax is that a woman took the pic with her cell phone (earlier this month?). Remember the Georgia boys that got into trouble for the dead Bigfoot body hoax? I've seen 2 bears here, near the river. No big foots, and not faking any. Jail time no fun. Waiting on Denise to like warm weather again. She is in the cold house mode these years. Poor thing. Her family here, mine in Florida. She Vetoed move.
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