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Post by radio on Jan 18, 2016 18:18:10 GMT -5
But not for bad reasons The instructor told everyone to bring 100 rounds to qualify with, and 50 if you were a good shot. My Colt 1911 .45 ACP holds 7 rounds per magazine, so after I fired 4 of 'em, he said "You can leave anytime you want" It was actually 27 rounds down range as I had one misfire in the middle of a string and cleared it quickly and safely which was good for him to see. The 13 other classmates called me names Smart@$$, showoff and a couple others, all in good nature of course. One poor fellow fired 20 rounds the first string and never got a single round on paper! When I left, he was trying with a borrowed gun and doing a bit better. Note to self. Never, ever buy a KelTec .380 compact!
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 18, 2016 19:03:23 GMT -5
Pretty cool! Texas requires a score of at least 175 from possible 250, so it takes at least 35 shots scoring fives to pass. One gal in the class had a one hole group of fifty shots measuring about an inch and a half. I found that depressing in the extreme. I had to clear a FTFeed during the session . Of course, the first time my SIG jammed ever had to be in the class *L*...Mel
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Post by radio on Jan 18, 2016 19:57:49 GMT -5
Pretty cool! Texas requires a score of at least 175 from possible 250, so it takes at least 35 shots scoring fives to pass. One gal in the class had a one hole group of fifty shots measuring about an inch and a half. I found that depressing in the extreme. I had to clear a FTFeed during the session . Of course, the first time my SIG jammed ever had to be in the class *L*...Mel A misfire, fail to feed or a jam is actually a good thing in class IF one can clear it quickly and safely. The instructors love to see proficiency with the firearm beyond just hitting the target. This guy was no pushover for an instructor. He is retired from Fish and Game as a Game Warden and firearms instructor and also shot competitively for many years. It feels pretty good when he tells you he doesn't have to add up your score to pass you
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Post by radio on Jan 20, 2016 16:21:51 GMT -5
Didn't have time yesterday to take the paperwork to the Sheriff's office and this morning the roads were ice covered. Finally went about1:00 and was amazed how fortress like the SO was! Apparently my visual skills are somewhat lacking as I focused on the large sign showing a knife with a big red circle and slash thorough it that I completely missed the less noticeable one saying no cell phones allowed necessitating a second trip back to the truck to deposit said items After setting off the metal detector and discovering the offending item was a paper clip holding the $100 bill to my application, I was allowed to proceed to the business office. I was amazed to see the staff behind what looked like 2 feet thick bulletproof glass and had to communicate via speakers. Once getting the paperwork taken care of and Deputy escorting me through about four doors that could have doubled as bank vaults, I finally got the fingerprinting done and escorted back out. Rather intimidating, but overall was reasonably fast and painless. Well, except for parting with that crisp $100 bill I live in a very sparsely populated County, but apparently folks are feeling pretty insecure over the state of affairs these days. The office has went from a CCW app once in a while to 30 or more per week. Heavily populated Counties are overwhelming the Sheriff's offices with permit applications with some doing 50 or more per day!
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Post by mikeinsjc on Jan 20, 2016 17:20:36 GMT -5
radio, what state?
CA requires 75 rounds through each gun you intend to carry (limit 3)- 25 rounds at 3,5, and 7 yards. Targets at each distance are photographed and archived.
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Post by radio on Jan 20, 2016 17:49:13 GMT -5
radio, what state? CA requires 75 rounds through each gun you intend to carry (limit 3)- 25 rounds at 3,5, and 7 yards. Targets at each distance are photographed and archived. Missouri. Thank God I don't live in CA. anymore!!!! Here, the instructors word is good as gold. Some are a lot more strict than others, so I chose the most hard core instructor I cold find. My neighbor took the course in a different county and was given all the answers, so everyone got 100%. The instructor I had said no one has ever gotten 100% on his tests. When it came to range time, he obviously saw I was no stranger to shooting. I was on the end of the firing line, so the whole class followed him along the line critiquing everyone's shooting, so I had 13 other classmates gathered around gawking at my target. He asked me if the next round i wanted to try some triple tap, and I said sure.. The next gathering I was hearing "show off" to "Holy $&!@" when they saw the head shots :-) I doubt he would allow most folks to try things like that, but he knew I was a former LEO, so held me to a higher standard. I think he secretly wanted to see of I could still pull off a head shot:-)
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 20, 2016 19:17:43 GMT -5
Man, radio, your S.O. does sound like a fortress. Much less so here in rural Texas and here all your CCW paperwork, written test, prints, photo etc are done right at the range. Does take about a month for it to come through though. Our test requires a 175/250 score with 20 shots at 3 yards, 20 at 7 yards and ten at 15 yards. Very easy to pass if you are even a halfway proficient shooter. They now even allow you to take it with a large bore wheel gun and be licensed for revolver or semi-auto. Good teacher. Class was so darn fun, I'd do it every year...Mel
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Post by radio on Jan 20, 2016 19:39:42 GMT -5
Man, radio, your S.O. does sound like a fortress. Much less so here in rural Texas and here all your CCW paperwork, written test, prints, photo etc are done right at the range. Does take about a month for it to come through though. Our test requires a 175/250 score with 20 shots at 3 yards, 20 at 7 yards and ten at 15 yards. Very easy to pass if you are even a halfway proficient shooter. They now even allow you to take it with a large bore wheel gun and be licensed for revolver or semi-auto. Good teacher. Class was so darn fun, I'd do it every year...Mel In defense of the SO, it also houses the jail, otherwise it likely wouldn't be such tight security. It had been many years since I had been in a Sheriff's office, so I was a bit awed by the security measures. The instructor really couldn't score my target very well as there was a big, ragged hole in the 10 ring. ( A .45 ACP will do that) A few rounds were in the "9" area, but it was impossible to see a hole for every round. Firing more rounds really wouldn't add or detract from the score as most would go in the existing hole and not be scoreable anyway. The SO here says they have up to 45 days to issue the permit, but they said even with the increase in applicants, most have been getting approved in about two weeks. They will probably run my background check twice though. Last time i had one done in California, they did exactly that. They said they thought the results of the first check were incorrect as "No one can be that clean!", so they ran it again :-)
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 21, 2016 0:04:23 GMT -5
In WA state they just take the application, fingerprints and money. There's no class or range test and it's good for like 20 some states if I recall. My county hired extra people to keep it at 30 days, unlike Seattle and the other more liberal counties. Oregon (where I work) requires a pretty basic class, no tests, and is good only in Oregon.
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Post by radio on Jan 21, 2016 8:39:54 GMT -5
In WA state they just take the application, fingerprints and money. There's no class or range test and it's good for like 20 some states if I recall. My county hired extra people to keep it at 30 days, unlike Seattle and the other more liberal counties. Oregon (where I work) requires a pretty basic class, no tests, and is good only in Oregon. With rules that lax, I find it nothing short of amazing that Wa. does not recognize Missouri CCW permits Ca, Nv, Or, Wa, Mn, Il, Cn, Nj, Ny, Ri, Ma, Me, Md and Hi do not have reciprocity for permits issued in Mo. As tough as Ca is to qualify for CW permits, I find it surprising that a Ca permit is not honored in 27 Continental States. That is more than double Missouri's reciprocity and tells me it has nothing to do with qualifications, but is pure but politics.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 21, 2016 9:52:29 GMT -5
*L* Being a Commiefornia native, I always thought it ridiculous how political CCW permit issuance was back there. Mostly controlled by local sheriffs or police chiefs who in many cases, only issue them to their buddies. In Ventura County where I lived, it was nearly impossible to get a CCW, while in Tulare County where my best friend lives, much easier. Whole process very over regulated and unfair. Commiefornia's draconian gun control laws were one of the primary reasons I moved to Texas. Moving to Texas felt like I was moving to the "real" America, not some damn Commie, bleeding heart, wussified police state. One of the finest moments in my life was the first time I walked into a Texas gun store and saw the wall to wall eye candy for shooters, AR's, suppressors, extended mags etc. Absolutely wonderful! *L*.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 10:31:38 GMT -5
In WA state they just take the application, fingerprints and money. There's no class or range test and it's good for like 20 some states if I recall. My county hired extra people to keep it at 30 days, unlike Seattle and the other more liberal counties. Oregon (where I work) requires a pretty basic class, no tests, and is good only in Oregon. With rules that lax, I find it nothing short of amazing that Wa. does not recognize Missouri CCW permits Ca, Nv, Or, Wa, Mn, Il, Cn, Nj, Ny, Ri, Ma, Me, Md and Hi do not have reciprocity for permits issued in Mo. As tough as Ca is to qualify for CW permits, I find it surprising that a Ca permit is not honored in 27 Continental States. That is more than double Missouri's reciprocity and tells me it has nothing to do with qualifications, but is pure but politics. It's cuz your permit ain't good here.
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Post by radio on Jan 21, 2016 10:41:16 GMT -5
With rules that lax, I find it nothing short of amazing that Wa. does not recognize Missouri CCW permits Ca, Nv, Or, Wa, Mn, Il, Cn, Nj, Ny, Ri, Ma, Me, Md and Hi do not have reciprocity for permits issued in Mo. As tough as Ca is to qualify for CW permits, I find it surprising that a Ca permit is not honored in 27 Continental States. That is more than double Missouri's reciprocity and tells me it has nothing to do with qualifications, but is pure but politics. It's cuz your permit ain't good here. I can understand Ca not recognizing so many other States. What I don't understand is with Ca being one of the toughest in the nation to qualify for a CCW, why so many states do not recognize, or have reciprocity for California CCW permits. Missouri recognizes Ca, but Ca does not recognize Mo. Methinks it's more about politics than qualifications
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 13:00:21 GMT -5
To have a reciprocal agreement, states have to reciprocate. California does not, so other states don't as well.
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Post by mikeinsjc on Jan 21, 2016 14:46:43 GMT -5
radio, do you know what states a CA permit IS good in?
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Post by radio on Jan 21, 2016 17:04:10 GMT -5
radio, do you know what states a CA permit IS good in? Ca permits are honored in: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin Here is a link to a useful map of all the states showing which honors the others permit www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 19:45:31 GMT -5
That is quite interesting.
Use to be we accpeted no other state. cool!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 21, 2016 23:45:39 GMT -5
That is quite interesting. Use to be we accpeted no other state. cool! Still true, his list is of states that recognize a CA permit. There is no reciprocity since it only goes one way. Here's a nice map that helps to show where someone's permit may be honored. www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
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