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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 8:07:40 GMT -5
yeah, if the elected representatives are learned, thoughtful, selfless people the Representative Republic gives Democracy the best chance to maintain the balance the founders envisioned. Hence, the problem... Founder's intentions as taught to us in history class. Remember ? Memories of the teacher instilling a respect for 'The Founding Fathers'. Somewhat programming us that they were well meaning and toiled to design a great system of government. They were well intentioned. They just got finished fighting for their independence in their own backyards. Consider mindset. They had been in a bloody war for a great cause. Men of conviction and concern for this country. Experienced great pain and suffering for this country. Almost 250 years later and things have sure changed; life good, and a thanks to those men's great efforts. Good times, leaving ample opportunity for other motivations. Slowly turning into pleasures, monetary gains, power mongers operating at the expense of others. We are a spoiled lot. Visit other countries and prepare for realities.
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Post by wampidytoo on May 1, 2016 9:29:20 GMT -5
yeah, if the elected representatives are learned, thoughtful, selfless people the Representative Republic gives Democracy the best chance to maintain the balance the founders envisioned. Hence, the problem... Founder's intentions as taught to us in history class. Remember ? Memories of the teacher instilling a respect for 'The Founding Fathers'. Somewhat programming us that they were well meaning and toiled to design a great system of government. They were well intentioned. They just got finished fighting for their independence in their own backyards. Consider mindset. They had been in a bloody war for a great cause. Men of conviction and concern for this country. Experienced great pain and suffering for this country. Almost 250 years later and things have sure changed; life good, and a thanks to those men's great efforts. Good times, leaving ample opportunity for other motivations. Slowly turning into pleasures, monetary gains, power mongers operating at the expense of others. We are a spoiled lot. Visit other countries and prepare for realities. 110% right on target. This has been going through my mind lately and I wanted to write it down but eloquence fails me so I figured it would come out all wrong. As a whole white American males are the most privileged animal on the planet and for many "enough is never enough". Others want the same rights and privileges, hellll no, it will take away from what we have. God damn freeloaders popping out a truck load of kids that put a drain on us so we will teach them a lesson by starving their children instead of finding solutions like Planned Parenthood who has PREVENTED millions of pregnancies but there is no way to count PREVENTED. Sharia law is the very top of the list of ways to humiliate and demonize females but where do you draw the line? White males would not let women vote until the women fought for it. White males would not let a black woman sit at a counter. White males taking away many women's health care and pregnancy prevention. White males preventing women from executive positions then if they manage to claw their way up, women are kept below the line by paying them less. And on and on and on. Where do you draw the line? Dems blaming every bad thing that has ever happened on the Reps and the Reps doing the same thing. Mom, Jimmy hit me. Mom, Bob hit me first. The division is getting wider when we should both be on the same side. The greedy and uber rich are destroying us by dividing us, not the poor, not the homeless, not the Mexicans, not the Muslims, not the blacks, etc. Some of us are destroying us and their plan is to control the entire planet. One little example, there used to be an inheritance tax. Did the poor get it dropped? Now the spoiled little rich kid is doubly assured that he will never have to work a day in his life, will take over his daddy's role and not give a s..t about one other person on the planet. There is a documentary I watched that spells it all out and provides proof (and yes I know they can be slanted one way) and I will try to find it and post it even though I have a feeling few will watch it. Jim
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Post by mohs on May 1, 2016 10:37:21 GMT -5
one thing I've learned is the rich seems to always be o.k. and the poor always seems to support that
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 11:36:47 GMT -5
Founder's intentions as taught to us in history class. Remember ? Memories of the teacher instilling a respect for 'The Founding Fathers'. Somewhat programming us that they were well meaning and toiled to design a great system of government. They were well intentioned. They just got finished fighting for their independence in their own backyards. Consider mindset. They had been in a bloody war for a great cause. Men of conviction and concern for this country. Experienced great pain and suffering for this country. Almost 250 years later and things have sure changed; life good, and a thanks to those men's great efforts. Good times, leaving ample opportunity for other motivations. Slowly turning into pleasures, monetary gains, power mongers operating at the expense of others. We are a spoiled lot. Visit other countries and prepare for realities. 110% right on target. This has been going through my mind lately and I wanted to write it down but eloquence fails me so I figured it would come out all wrong. As a whole white American males are the most privileged animal on the planet and for many "enough is never enough". Others want the same rights and privileges, hellll no, it will take away from what we have. God damn freeloaders popping out a truck load of kids that put a drain on us so we will teach them a lesson by starving their children instead of finding solutions like Planned Parenthood who has PREVENTED millions of pregnancies but there is no way to count PREVENTED. Sharia law is the very top of the list of ways to humiliate and demonize females but where do you draw the line? White males would not let women vote until the women fought for it. White males would not let a black woman sit at a counter. White males taking away many women's health care and pregnancy prevention. White males preventing women from executive positions then if they manage to claw their way up, women are kept below the line by paying them less. And on and on and on. Where do you draw the line? Dems blaming every bad thing that has ever happened on the Reps and the Reps doing the same thing. Mom, Jimmy hit me. Mom, Bob hit me first. The division is getting wider when we should both be on the same side. The greedy and uber rich are destroying us by dividing us, not the poor, not the homeless, not the Mexicans, not the Muslims, not the blacks, etc. Some of us are destroying us and their plan is to control the entire planet. One little example, there used to be an inheritance tax. Did the poor get it dropped? Now the spoiled little rich kid is doubly assured that he will never have to work a day in his life, will take over his daddy's role and not give a s..t about one other person on the planet. There is a documentary I watched that spells it all out and provides proof (and yes I know they can be slanted one way) and I will try to find it and post it even though I have a feeling few will watch it. Jim Unfortunate result Jim. Things started out well. I think that is believable. Been occasional bumps along the way. Now it is mass turmoil. Not so sure it is reversible. Easy to start good and get bad, hard to go back the other way. I would think you have witnessed a great change over your lifetime. Younger folks are born into present day turmoil as if it is typical.
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Post by wampidytoo on May 1, 2016 12:43:13 GMT -5
110% right on target. This has been going through my mind lately and I wanted to write it down but eloquence fails me so I figured it would come out all wrong. As a whole white American males are the most privileged animal on the planet and for many "enough is never enough". Others want the same rights and privileges, hellll no, it will take away from what we have. God damn freeloaders popping out a truck load of kids that put a drain on us so we will teach them a lesson by starving their children instead of finding solutions like Planned Parenthood who has PREVENTED millions of pregnancies but there is no way to count PREVENTED. Sharia law is the very top of the list of ways to humiliate and demonize females but where do you draw the line? White males would not let women vote until the women fought for it. White males would not let a black woman sit at a counter. White males taking away many women's health care and pregnancy prevention. White males preventing women from executive positions then if they manage to claw their way up, women are kept below the line by paying them less. And on and on and on. Where do you draw the line? Dems blaming every bad thing that has ever happened on the Reps and the Reps doing the same thing. Mom, Jimmy hit me. Mom, Bob hit me first. The division is getting wider when we should both be on the same side. The greedy and uber rich are destroying us by dividing us, not the poor, not the homeless, not the Mexicans, not the Muslims, not the blacks, etc. Some of us are destroying us and their plan is to control the entire planet. One little example, there used to be an inheritance tax. Did the poor get it dropped? Now the spoiled little rich kid is doubly assured that he will never have to work a day in his life, will take over his daddy's role and not give a s..t about one other person on the planet. There is a documentary I watched that spells it all out and provides proof (and yes I know they can be slanted one way) and I will try to find it and post it even though I have a feeling few will watch it. Jim Unfortunate result Jim. Things started out well. I think that is believable. Been occasional bumps along the way. Now it is mass turmoil. Not so sure it is reversible. Easy to start good and get bad, hard to go back the other way. I would think you have witnessed a great change over your lifetime. Younger folks are born into present day turmoil as if it is typical. I fear that I have lived through the best of times. Good for me but probably not so good for my descendents. I have spend a lot of time in a lot of different areas of the United States and a fair amount of time in Communist and third world countries. I am not an expert but I have learned a lot about many different peoples that when boiled down are mostly the same except for the people in power. Average people just want to live their life in peace and be able to feed their children. The average Chinese people want the same things we have and do not hate us. One lady told me that a lot of the Chinese people look up to us like a big brother but at the same time they do not know much about us. Their news is as slanted and slippery as ours is. I agree that our younger folks are born into present day turmoil as if it is typical. No different than young people in other places seeing dead people in the street as typical. They get numb to the bad that is going on around them. I just watched this documentary the second time and would recommend it to anyone that wants to know what is happening in the world, where it started and how we got to where we are now. It has a couple of places where there is just crazy random kaleidoscope visuals with strange music that makes no sense but they do not last too long. If the first or second parts are not to your liking skip to part three at 1:12 and watch that. Very enlightening. Jim It is called Zeitgeist:themovie. I could not get it to link but copy and paste works. It is fairly long at one hour and 45 minutes but IMHO is very well worth it. h ttps://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Zeitgeist-themov.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(film_series)&h=364&w=273&tbnid=KmIZEvm7rZFmWM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=119&docid=9EAhuvit_rDS5M&itg=1&usg=__vlFRncLpAlSKAqS-uxbmvwgMhDs=
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Post by Sabre52 on May 1, 2016 14:53:59 GMT -5
Yep, I agree, best times are passed. Young folks today are born into it and they pretty much realize just how screwed they are. I figure that accounts for how they are so self centered and live so much in the present. When you're looking at a bad future, don't save, spend today. Don't worry, be happy, for the day. Buy what you cannot afford on credit cause the system will eventually fail and you won't have to repay what you've borrowed ( ie college loans) etc. Freebies good as long as someone else covers the cost. They'll spend their extra money on weed and booze to make themselves feel good. Why should they get all sweaty and worry about finances like the working stiffs do when the system is fixed any way? *L*.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 14:57:42 GMT -5
I trust your life experience far exceeds mine in time/travel and experience Jim. For some reason, you remind me of Solomon.
Now I am not inflicting anything on you, but I did run across a peculiar statement that Solomon said. Solomon sought wisdom over riches, even though he did become very rich. Add 800 concubines(lucky SOB). And his conclusive retort always fascinated me:
17And I set my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly; I realized that this also is striving after wind. 18Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.
Seems as if the more a man sees, the more it distresses him. I certainly have no answers for this phenom. As if the more one learn's about people the more it can enrage.
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 15:16:53 GMT -5
What is the present day Great Britain ? Britain heavily influenced by Islamic immigrants, US not so advanced in this area. BUT, apathy towards voting, dependence on imports
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Post by mohs on May 1, 2016 15:55:18 GMT -5
I'm very Artistotlean even if I only have rocks to show for it
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Post by Sabre52 on May 1, 2016 17:06:05 GMT -5
"In wisdom there is much grief and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain". Now I know why stupid people always seem so happy go lucky. I guess for the kids today, there is an upside to ignorance *L*. Ignorance is bliss, I reckon.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 17:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2016 17:44:23 GMT -5
"In wisdom there is much grief and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain". Now I know why stupid people always seem so happy go lucky. I guess for the kids today, there is an upside to ignorance *L*. Ignorance is bliss, I reckon.....Mel Amusing and true in many ways, a curious subject. On a similar note, Bob Marley
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Post by wampidytoo on May 1, 2016 18:26:56 GMT -5
I trust your life experience far exceeds mine in time/travel and experience Jim. For some reason, you remind me of Solomon. Now I am not inflicting anything on you, but I did run across a peculiar statement that Solomon said. Solomon sought wisdom over riches, even though he did become very rich. Add 800 concubines(lucky SOB). And his conclusive retort always fascinated me: 17And I set my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly; I realized that this also is striving after wind. 18Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain. Seems as if the more a man sees, the more it distresses him. I certainly have no answers for this phenom. As if the more one learn's about people the more it can enrage. Not the least bit inflicted and I do see a parallel other than the rich part, yet, but I am not striving for it or waiting impatiently for it. I would give my last dollar to a child that is hungry and I am way more than angry about the way children suffer at the hands of man. At times I loose sleep over it because I can not do anything about it other than try to make people aware of the magnitude of the suffering. ie. some of the statements I made before I left. None of that was aimed at you by the way, it just so happened that we were discussing some things when the photo of the young girl hit me in the eye and my brain erupted. I have not and will not apologize to anyone that was offended by anything I said because as bad as it may have sounded I was stating facts that the privileged do not want to hear because it is a negative and not a positive that might interfere with their happiness. I am not going to continue that rampage on here because if I did not hit some people in the heart it is not going to happen. Ya think Solomon would approve? 800 concubines, was he a good guy or a bad guy? Keeping 800 female slaves doesn't sound good to me unless he treated them as equals. Did he have eunuchs to keep them in line and not stray? Half of 8 would be too many, can you imagine? But he was living a bit of a different lifestyle than we do. I would give them a test and choose the one that could hold a good conversation and had a nice butt. Jim
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Post by Rockoonz on May 1, 2016 19:13:26 GMT -5
Now Jim, keeping in mind that Solomon wasn't white... Not sure how attributing man's inhumanity to man to one people group is constructive. Better IMO to do my best to be the best me I can be, rather than wasting perfectly good oxygen whining about what the other guy is doing.
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Post by jamesp on May 2, 2016 7:37:24 GMT -5
I trust your life experience far exceeds mine in time/travel and experience Jim. For some reason, you remind me of Solomon. Now I am not inflicting anything on you, but I did run across a peculiar statement that Solomon said. Solomon sought wisdom over riches, even though he did become very rich. Add 800 concubines(lucky SOB). And his conclusive retort always fascinated me: 17And I set my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly; I realized that this also is striving after wind. 18Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain. Seems as if the more a man sees, the more it distresses him. I certainly have no answers for this phenom. As if the more one learn's about people the more it can enrage. Not the least bit inflicted and I do see a parallel other than the rich part, yet, but I am not striving for it or waiting impatiently for it. I would give my last dollar to a child that is hungry and I am way more than angry about the way children suffer at the hands of man. At times I loose sleep over it because I can not do anything about it other than try to make people aware of the magnitude of the suffering. ie. some of the statements I made before I left. None of that was aimed at you by the way, it just so happened that we were discussing some things when the photo of the young girl hit me in the eye and my brain erupted. I have not and will not apologize to anyone that was offended by anything I said because as bad as it may have sounded I was stating facts that the privileged do not want to hear because it is a negative and not a positive that might interfere with their happiness. I am not going to continue that rampage on here because if I did not hit some people in the heart it is not going to happen. Ya think Solomon would approve? 800 concubines, was he a good guy or a bad guy? Keeping 800 female slaves doesn't sound good to me unless he treated them as equals. Did he have eunuchs to keep them in line and not stray? Half of 8 would be too many, can you imagine? But he was living a bit of a different lifestyle than we do. I would give them a test and choose the one that could hold a good conversation and had a nice butt. Jim The story of Solomon is a curious one. Yes, he was a full bore heathen and destroyed many peoples lives no doubt. Destroyed them in a fashion that would boil wampidy's blood and any one else with a loving heart. i.e., young gals lives for instance. What was peculiar about him was the choice he was given, infinite riches or infinite wisdom....he chose wisdom which was a serious conundrum. Well, all his riches are passed on, mistresses got old and wrinkled and passed on, and everybody may have forgot about him except, he left something behind. He left his treasured books of wisdom, Proverbs and most likely Ecclesiastes. Books written that are comprehendible from IQ 40 to IQ 200. Had humanity [tried] applying the wisdom of those two books you would likely have very few concerns with the human population. This man was said to be the wisest. Bible story ? Yay or nay, think why you will, but Proverbs was written by him to help the average moe live a trouble free life. Regardless of your religious or non-religous beliefs. It's just a list of f'in guidelines. Steer away from any single one of them and there will be negative consequences. Here is a man of great riches and power, anything he wanted he got. Yet his wisdom is humble and boring in a sort; suggesting a humble and clean life to attain happiness. And he is very clear about maintaining mistresses is a one way trip to hell(for instance). Supposing he did plenty of 14 year old girls, Russian beauties, exotics that we would give our left nut for, etc. Being a man of great experience in this arena yet he gives strong advise not to engage in such. Will take you straight to a life that is hell on earth. I know you are a lady's man Jim. Maybe they panned out for you, maybe not. Can't answer that one for you. Seems to be a source of problems for many a good man though. Sex being the highest level of 'feel good' on earth....shit yea were gonna give it a go. Solomon said to enjoy the loins of your wife and no other's loins LOL. Probably a good idea. How many loins has Jim had ? LOL. Well, odd advise for a man that has been around the block like this guy has. Interesting conclusive summation on his part.
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Post by wampidytoo on May 2, 2016 10:02:00 GMT -5
Not the least bit inflicted and I do see a parallel other than the rich part, yet, but I am not striving for it or waiting impatiently for it. I would give my last dollar to a child that is hungry and I am way more than angry about the way children suffer at the hands of man. At times I loose sleep over it because I can not do anything about it other than try to make people aware of the magnitude of the suffering. ie. some of the statements I made before I left. None of that was aimed at you by the way, it just so happened that we were discussing some things when the photo of the young girl hit me in the eye and my brain erupted. I have not and will not apologize to anyone that was offended by anything I said because as bad as it may have sounded I was stating facts that the privileged do not want to hear because it is a negative and not a positive that might interfere with their happiness. I am not going to continue that rampage on here because if I did not hit some people in the heart it is not going to happen. Ya think Solomon would approve? 800 concubines, was he a good guy or a bad guy? Keeping 800 female slaves doesn't sound good to me unless he treated them as equals. Did he have eunuchs to keep them in line and not stray? Half of 8 would be too many, can you imagine? But he was living a bit of a different lifestyle than we do. I would give them a test and choose the one that could hold a good conversation and had a nice butt. Jim The story of Solomon is a curious one. Yes, he was a full bore heathen and destroyed many peoples lives no doubt. Destroyed them in a fashion that would boil wampidy's blood and any one else with a loving heart. i.e., young gals lives for instance. What was peculiar about him was the choice he was given, infinite riches or infinite wisdom....he chose wisdom which was a serious conundrum. Well, all his riches are passed on, mistresses got old and wrinkled and passed on, and everybody may have forgot about him except, he left something behind. He left his treasured books of wisdom, Proverbs and most likely Ecclesiastes. Books written that are comprehendible from IQ 40 to IQ 200. Had humanity [tried] applying the wisdom of those two books you would likely have very few concerns with the human population. This man was said to be the wisest. Bible story ? Yay or nay, think why you will, but Proverbs was written by him to help the average moe live a trouble free life. Regardless of your religious or non-religous beliefs. It's just a list of f'in guidelines. Steer away from any single one of them and there will be negative consequences. Here is a man of great riches and power, anything he wanted he got. Yet his wisdom is humble and boring in a sort; suggesting a humble and clean life to attain happiness. And he is very clear about maintaining mistresses is a one way trip to hell(for instance). Supposing he did plenty of 14 year old girls, Russian beauties, exotics that we would give our left nut for, etc. Being a man of great experience in this arena yet he gives strong advise not to engage in such. Will take you straight to a life that is hell on earth. I know you are a lady's man Jim. Maybe they panned out for you, maybe not. Can't answer that one for you. Seems to be a source of problems for many a good man though. Sex being the highest level of 'feel good' on earth....shit yea were gonna give it a go. Solomon said to enjoy the loins of your wife and no other's loins LOL. Probably a good idea. How many loins has Jim had ? LOL. Well, odd advise for a man that has been around the block like this guy has. Interesting conclusive summation on his part. Thank you for the story James. Very interesting. I am a non believer but some of the stories are true works of art. Strange that he would live one way and advise to live 180 degrees out. Do you have a feeling that he was a republican? hahaha As far as numbers go, I have no idea. But I can honestly say that I have never hit a woman or treated a woman badly. ALWAYS mutual. I live by the rule "the more you give, the more you get". Still friends with ex wives and two of them participated in the frolicking. There are drawbacks to a lifestyle that most men only dream about and there is a price to pay. I have found that a large percent of the dreamers do not have the mind set to step over the line when it gets down to the wire. I am referring to men and their spouses. The old saying "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind. I am trying to choose my words carefully because a lot of times things do not come out the way I intended. I mentioned the eloquence problem before. Probably time to get off this subject anyway before, well, you know. Have you watched the movie Zeitgeist:the movie? You may find it enlightening in more ways than one. It would be great to have at least one person watch it so I can discuss it with them and get their opinion. You seem to be quite open minded and easy to discuss things with. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 2, 2016 11:57:47 GMT -5
--Strange that he would live one way and advise to live 180 degrees out.--
After reading his thoughts on say the lady subject I believed that he experienced what was said of him. Some subjects only a man can understand. And his male perspective sounded bang on.
By the same token his knowledge will put you on some if that is what you want.
Glad you key pointed the 180 thing. Not to sure sex has much to do with liberal/conservative left/right religious/non-religous. Kinda dances to it's own drummer.
Approach your next lady with this approach(if you haven't already):
" The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife."
I guess that means that if one or the other is not in the mood you best get in the mood. Male or female. Curious concept.
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Post by captbob on May 2, 2016 12:58:10 GMT -5
" The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." I guess that means that if one or the other is not in the mood you best get in the mood. Male or female. Curious concept. I read that to mean that one can not do as one wishes with their body without considering the other "owner's" wishes. For example, one can't go out and get action on the side because his/her body also belongs to their partner. Relevant concept taken from that angle.
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Post by jamesp on May 2, 2016 14:10:27 GMT -5
" The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." I guess that means that if one or the other is not in the mood you best get in the mood. Male or female. Curious concept. I read that to mean that one can not do as one wishes with their body without considering the other "owner's" wishes. For example, one can't go out and get action on the side because his/her body also belongs to their partner. Relevant concept taken from that angle. LOL, proceed at own risk. Such 'wisdom' not covered, common sense prevails. Ex. Lorena Bobbit
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