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Post by vegasjames on Dec 23, 2017 8:15:39 GMT -5
Oh for the love of...! I am not here to explain to people that the earth is not flat. The shingles vaccine is proven science. It works. Am I going to believe some guy on the internet or am I going to believe the CDC? Cold sore herpes viruses are not related to the virus that causes shingles, sheesh. Again, please. Don't ask me. Ask your doctor. Ask the CDC. They are not related. The shingles virus doesn't protect against cold sores because it's a vaccine against a different, unrelated virus. If there is ever a vaccine against cold sores, I'm sure they'll let us all know. Vaccine deniers are welcome to harm themselves, but once they start putting out disinformation that hurts others... Mama Bear is going to come out and growl at you. You are perfectly welcome to do as you please. However, when you tell someone with shingles to avoid medical treatment and instead try to treat it at home with herbs, you could be costing someone their eyesight or you could be causing them to live the rest of their live in horrific pain. Don't do that. Hello, karma? I'm not a vaccine denier, but I did personally know a woman who had a completely normal son who had his vaccines and became - for lack of a better term- severely autistic. I think for a very, very few people vaccines can be a problem. She was a able to get her other kids into school without vaccines because she refused to get them shots and had doctor's back her up. I myself have a compromised immune system so I don't get the flu shot. I feel like it would put me at a higher risk of getting it from the vaccine itself. My Dr. doesn't get the flu shot, either. I haven't had a flu since I was a kid and if I do get it I think it wouldn't be the end of the world. BUT, that is only MY opinion. I still got my kids vaccinated and I was vaccinated. I knew kids when I was a kid who had had polio. No thank you. I would never recommend to anyone not to get their kids vaccinated. Like most anything in life, there are a few exceptions to the rule that for most of us, vaccines are harmless. But, what really bugs me is that for vaccines to work, everyone needs to get them. Schools used to be so strict, but they aren't anymore. I heard a rumor that our local school was letting in immigrant kids without their shots. So, I called the school and asked. Sure enough. They had to let them in without shots. That's why we are seeing so many of the old diseases showing up again- that and the vaccine deniers. OK, I'll shut up now. Having worked in medicine so long I have seen numerous cases of vaccine adverse reactions. This includes a 14 year old girl who went in to a coma and died after receiving a series of vaccines. And if people bothered to research the history of vaccines there are so many well documented examples. For example the swine flu vaccines that were given in the 70s. It cost the government over a billion dollars to settle all the lawsuits from adverse reactions to this vaccine including neurological disorders to deaths. One of these was a lady I knew who suffered permanent neurological damage after the vaccine. She could not sue though for her damages because she received the vaccine in the military as a mandatory shot. Military personnel cannot sue for such damages. And a friend of mine had her son vaccinated and he was later diagnosed with autism. There was a clear spike in the cases of autism when they started with the mandatory Thimerosal containing vaccines. Of course our government, which one person here apparently blindly trusts tried to deny this by stating that when the Thimerosal was removed from all childhood vaccines that there was no change in the autism rates. Problem is that the Thimerosal was only removed from SOME of the childhood vaccines, not all like the claimed. So they outright lied to the public to hide the dangers of these vaccines. So do I trust the BS our government tells us? No, I am not that gullible. Thimerosal is a mercury compound. Mercury has an affinity for fats, such as nervous tissue and has especially dangerous effects on rapidly developing tissues such as those of infants and young children. Again these are well known facts in medicine. What pisses me off the most now though is that they are vaccinating newborns!!!!! Is our government and medical personnel really that frickin stupid?!!!!! Newborns do not have their own intact immune system and cannot mount a proper antibody response, which is why maternal antibodies from breast milk are so important and why the gut of infants is permeable to allow passage of those antibodies. Since vaccines are supposed to work by stimulating an immune response and newborns cannot mount an immune response all they are really doing is asking for immunological and other disorders in these infants by injecting them with these antigens and toxins like mercury and formaldehyde.
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Post by peachfront on Dec 23, 2017 10:41:07 GMT -5
No. Our medical personnel aren't "frickin stupid." It's an imperfect world, and there are always going to be illnesses & disabilities, but vaccines have greatly extended human life and quality of life. I'm going to assume the people who have devoted their lives to medical research know more about the topic than you or I. There wasn't any spike in autism rates that correlated with being vaccinated. The people claiming that committed deliberate fraud and should have gone to prison. www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110106/bmj-declares-vaccine-autism-study-fraud#1 Any reasonable well-informed adult knows that and should stop repeating a proven fraud. The earth is not flat, vaccines don't cause autism, etc. Autism is a birth defect, and it already existed when the child is born, even if it went undiagnosed at birth. A vaccine can't go back in time and change a child's DNA. That's just goofy. And people should have known it was goofy, even in 1998. Which was almost 20 years ago. You're going to make life-changing decisions based on twenty year old medical "science" that all goes back to one paper? That doesn't seem like good decision-making to me.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 23, 2017 12:36:06 GMT -5
No. Our medical personnel aren't "frickin stupid." It's an imperfect world, and there are always going to be illnesses & disabilities, but vaccines have greatly extended human life and quality of life. I'm going to assume the people who have devoted their lives to medical research know more about the topic than you or I. There wasn't any spike in autism rates that correlated with being vaccinated. The people claiming that committed deliberate fraud and should have gone to prison. www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110106/bmj-declares-vaccine-autism-study-fraud#1 Any reasonable well-informed adult knows that and should stop repeating a proven fraud. The earth is not flat, vaccines don't cause autism, etc. Autism is a birth defect, and it already existed when the child is born, even if it went undiagnosed at birth. A vaccine can't go back in time and change a child's DNA. That's just goofy. And people should have known it was goofy, even in 1998. Which was almost 20 years ago. You're going to make life-changing decisions based on twenty year old medical "science" that all goes back to one paper? That doesn't seem like good decision-making to me. Obviously you have not worked with many medical personnel since yes many are "frickin stupid". I could easily write a book on a lot of the outright stupidity I have seen. You are like the armchair quarterback. Never really in the game but going to sit their yelling at the TV telling everyone how they are wrong in what they are doing. As for the autism rates, yes there was a big jump in the rates. And yes you can dig up whatever bogus propaganda you wish to fit your needs. You are probably one of those fools that fell for the "we took the Thimerosal out of 'all' childhood vaccines" crap that the government claimed even though that was also proven false. Yet there are plenty of articles out there making this bogus claim you can look up and present. Actually the Earth is flat in some spots and vaccines can definitely cause autism since it IS NOT always a birth defect. Autism IS NOT a singular thing, it is spectrum of disorders which can have various causes. So thanks for once again proving that you don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about. And who said I was basing anything on a 20 year old paper? Again you are relying on ASSUMPTIONS instead of facts. I have seen cases of kids showing no signs of autism until after receiving their vaccines and I am not the only one that has seen this. And there is solid science on the effects of mercury on nervous tissue, again especially in infants and young children. So continue to be a fact denialist. I feel like people like you are a real danger to society. Sheeple who blindly follow regardless of what science and actual experience have proven. People can find whatever they wish to fit their views on the internet if they look hard enough. For example I have all sorts of medical studies showing how beneficial trivalent chromium is for the body and how it can get rid of diabetes and reduce the neuropathy. But I also found a massive overdose study (6,000 times the normal level) that claims it causes cancer. So I can present all sorts of studies proving its benefits, or like you present one paper claiming harm while ignoring all the other evidence. You obviously don't give a crap about the truth. You wish to pick and choose what you can find that you think supports your view instead of dealing with reality. So be it. I am done. My dog and I are starting our vacation and will be away from the computer.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 23, 2017 13:36:15 GMT -5
vegasjames thank you for the years of knowledge you freely contributed to this discussion at no charge to any of us. I have information I can add to what I get from my physician and hopefully at least delay the onset of the arthritis so I can continue to enjoy playing with rocks. We are blessed to have you as a contributing member of this forum.
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Post by peachfront on Dec 28, 2017 16:57:40 GMT -5
You obviously don't give a crap about the truth. You wish to pick and choose what you can find that you think supports your view instead of dealing with reality. So be it. I am done. My dog and I are starting our vacation and will be away from the computer. I am sorry but you haven't seen cases of autism caused by vaccines, any more than you have seen evidence that the earth is flat. You can't see evidence of things that are not true. You can only persuade yourself you have seen such evidence. You are wrong, and it is wrong for you to spread information long since disproven. Millions of lives have been saved by vaccines. Literally millions of lives. Not to mention people's eyesight and hearing. The measles vaccine alone saves millions of people a year. Every year. I am not making this claim. The World Health Organization is making this claim. www.cetusnews.com/life/Measles-Deaths-Fall-to-a-Record-Low-Worldwide.rJeNFlZQz.htmlI care about the truth and about human lives & health. That's the only reason I'm in this thread. You are wrong, and you are angry about being wrong, and I am sorry that you are angry, but children are badly harmed when parents refuse to vaccinate their children. What is the motive for the CDC or the WHO or all the doctors you work with to lie about vaccines? They are a cheap way to prevent disease. If doctors only cared about money, vaccines and other cheap preventive measures aren't what they'd be pushing. To get back to the original topic, older people are badly harmed when they are told to fear the shingles vaccine or to try an herb first when they already have shingles and thus require immediate medical treatment. I am sorry that it offends you that I have said this, but people do lose their vision or develop severe chronic pain when they leave shingles untreated. Not worth the risk.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 28, 2017 17:29:34 GMT -5
peachfront I am reminded of the time that, several years ago at this time of year I was in serious pain with a kidney stone having been left in a room at the clinic alone for some time. When I stumbled out to find a place to puke I found everyone in the clinic in the dr's office enjoying holiday treats that a pharmaceutical rep had brought in. To say that the literally trillion dollar industry of Big pharm doesn't have a lot of control over that thing we call medicine is naive at best. You certainly have a right to your opinion, but that's all it is, and you have expressed it.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 28, 2017 18:16:24 GMT -5
You obviously don't give a crap about the truth. You wish to pick and choose what you can find that you think supports your view instead of dealing with reality. So be it. I am done. My dog and I are starting our vacation and will be away from the computer. I am sorry but you haven't seen cases of autism caused by vaccines, any more than you have seen evidence that the earth is flat. You can't see evidence of things that are not true. You can only persuade yourself you have seen such evidence. You are wrong, and it is wrong for you to spread information long since disproven. Millions of lives have been saved by vaccines. Literally millions of lives. Not to mention people's eyesight and hearing. The measles vaccine alone saves millions of people a year. Every year. I am not making this claim. The World Health Organization is making this claim. www.cetusnews.com/life/Measles-Deaths-Fall-to-a-Record-Low-Worldwide.rJeNFlZQz.htmlI care about the truth and about human lives & health. That's the only reason I'm in this thread. You are wrong, and you are angry about being wrong, and I am sorry that you are angry, but children are badly harmed when parents refuse to vaccinate their children. What is the motive for the CDC or the WHO or all the doctors you work with to lie about vaccines? They are a cheap way to prevent disease. If doctors only cared about money, vaccines and other cheap preventive measures aren't what they'd be pushing. To get back to the original topic, older people are badly harmed when they are told to fear the shingles vaccine or to try an herb first when they already have shingles and thus require immediate medical treatment. I am sorry that it offends you that I have said this, but people do lose their vision or develop severe chronic pain when they leave shingles untreated. Not worth the risk. I see you are still desperately trying to debate your claims that you cannot prove. Yes, there was a spike in autism cases when Thimerosal was added to the childhood vaccines. And again autism is not a birth defect as you claim. How do you explain the numerous cases of autism and other neurological disorders in children right after receiving their vaccines, not before. Let me explain a simple fact to you. A birth defect gets its name because the infant is born with it. It IS NOT something they develop after birth. So far you have tried every trick in the book of a person that has no clue what they are talking about. You claim no link but cannot provide any real evidence. So you falsely call me a vaccine denier since you have no evidence to back your claims. Then you claim the vaccines are proven and have saved millions of lives, again a claim that is impossible to prove. You also claimed the shingles vaccine has been proven to work, which again is impossible to prove. But hey, I am willing to play along with your fantasies so go ahead and explain to everyone here in detail how the shingles vaccine has been "proven" to work as you claim. Before answering though keep these facts in mind.: -The shingles virus can go in to remission all on its own without any vaccine. And there is no way to tell when it is going to pop up or go dormant. So how can they prove the vaccine is preventing outbreaks when there is no way to determine when an outbreak is going to occur. That is as stupid as when an aspirin company claimed that taking aspirin reduced the risk of a second heart attack by 50%, a claim they were busted for by the FDA since like the vaccine claims it was misleading. The reason why also goes hand in hand with my second point. -The drug companies have been caught various times manipulating study results to make their drugs appear effective. This was reported in the medical journal JAMA over 20 years ago when it was found that the drug companies were testing chemo drugs on patients that were really ineffective. To make the drugs appear effective for approval though they would drop anyone who died or did not respond to the drug from the final results so the real results would not be skewed in to the negative proving how worthless these drugs really are. A practice that still goes on to this day. A more recent example is with the angiogenesis inhibitor Endostatin. A documentary on this drug shown on NOVA was great example as they mentioned at the end of the documentary that one of the men in the study was dropped from the study because his "tumor grew beyond the parameters of the study". That is a fancy way of saying the drug failed so get him the hell out of here so that he and the others it had no effect on will not be counted in the final results proving our drug is worthless. And guess what? The drug got FDA approval just like hundreds of other drugs that were later deemed worthless (no better than placebo). If you care to look up another example look up the major fraud committed by the drug companies in the Jupiter Study for a cholesterol lowering drug that it was proven that the drug companies once again lied about to make it appear effective. So getting back to the aspirin fraud. First of studies have already proven that taking an aspirin during a heart attack is the absolute worst thing you can do. And this comes as no surprise since this fact has been known long before the studies. In fact it is simple common sense. Aspirin is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID), which as I mentioned in an earlier post constricts blood vessels. This is how they prevent inflammation. A heart attack though is death to parts of the heart muscle due to a lack of blood flow to the heart, which can occur for various reasons including constriction of the blood vessels! Further cutting off the blood supply and thus oxygen to the heart muscle during a heart attack therefore is a seriously STUPID thing to do, which again has been verified by studies. Yet the drug companies and idiotic doctors are still promoting the take an aspirin during a heart attack BS. Now getting back to the misleading claim about taking aspirin reducing the risk of a second heart attack by 50%, how did they come to this conclusion and why did the FDA mail their butts for making this highly misleading claim? Simple, the drug company tested the aspirin on over 100 test subjects. Then they chose 6 out of the over 100 and since 3 of these test subjects had not suffered a second heart attack by that time they concluded that the aspirin reduced the chance of a second heart attack by 50%. Did not matter if the other 3 test subjects would have had a heart attack a minute later because they had not by that exact time. And again there is no way to predict a heart attack or a shingles outbreak. Maybe you think they can. I guess you think the drug companies use a magic crystal ball to determine when someone was going to have a shingles outbreak and thus since they did not have one after receiving the vaccine that this proves the vaccine works. That would be the ONLY way to prove your the shingles vaccine was proven to work hypothesis. Sorry to inform you but there is no such real thing as magic and crystal balls really do not tell the future. So explain away how the vaccine was proven to work according to you in detail keeping those proven facts listed above in mind. Obviously you don't care about the truth, nor who gets hurt by your highly faulty claims. People who care about the truth don't go searching out whatever propaganda they can find to back their point. For example "well the WHO or CDC says so". The WHO also claimed their EPI vaccines were not contaminated even though multiple tests proved they were. And the CDC labeled AIDS the "gay plague" even though worldwide the pandemic was ALWAYS predominately in the heterosexual population. So I don't give a crap what the WHO or CDC claims. I want to see REAL evidence to your claims. As I pointed out before viruses, for which no vaccine exists, have been proven to "die out" on their own accord. So who is to say that polio and so many other viruses did not simply die out on their own? See, there is science and common sense like I am presenting and there is hypothetical thinking with no solid evidence as you are presenting. Still I am keeping an open mind and waiting for you to provide a rational, scientific explanation as to how the shingles vaccine was proven to work. The only real way I can see this can be done since there is also no common lab test that can confirm the presence of nor the activity of any particular virus is if hundreds of scientists took the vaccine then deliberately tried to infect themselves with the virus. Show me a study where this occurred and I will finally accept your claim that you care about the truth. So why would they lie about the vaccines? You really need that explained to you? I guess you are gullible enough to fall for all the sales BS you are ever exposed to. Why did they lie about the cholesterol lowering statin drug in the Jupiter Study? Why is the inexpensive drug dextromethorphan (DM) still on the market despite a couple of studies proving it worthless and a 1969 Court order for the FDA to remove it and 709 other worthless and dangerous FDA approved drugs from the market that the FDA went around? Why did the aspirin companies lie about aspirin, which is a lot cheaper than a vaccine? Again you are showing completely faulty reasoning and a lack of rational thought. Bottom line is that companies frequently lie to make sales. Not a hard concept to grasp. Look at the Kangen water ionizers. Kangen has been caught in so many lies to push their quackery that I have lost count. The more money at stake the more companies tend to lie. And these UNPROVEN vaccines are BIG BUSINESS the drug companies, pharmacies and doctors!!!!! Especially when people do have adverse reactions that can require life long medical care. As for your last comment you are stretching things again to fit your fantasy. I NEVER told anyone to fear the shingles vaccine. I simply pointed out the fact that it has NEVER been proven safe or effective. I am sorry if the truth offend you so much. I guess you just need to pull up your bog boy britches and live with it. And I NEVER told anyone to try an herb first. Again you are twisting things to fit your delusional fantasy. I simply recommend things that are proven to work. I am not telling anyone to do anything, which would be illegally prescribing. The people here are adults, including you, and have the right and ability to research everything said on both sides and come to their own decision. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to do anything. And again there are side effects (risks) that have been reported from vaccines. These include death, which is also permanent!
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 28, 2017 18:29:17 GMT -5
vegasjames- changing the conversation for a minute. I have been wanting to ask you what you think of the value range (low to high) given for TSH Thyroid blood tests. I read some info a few years back, but I have forgotten it- but it is something to the effect that the tests are almost useless because the value range is so skewed away from the actual normal values which are much more variable than the test accounts for. I hope I said that right.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 28, 2017 19:17:49 GMT -5
peachfront I am reminded of the time that, several years ago at this time of year I was in serious pain with a kidney stone having been left in a room at the clinic alone for some time. When I stumbled out to find a place to puke I found everyone in the clinic in the dr's office enjoying holiday treats that a pharmaceutical rep had brought in. To say that the literally trillion dollar industry of Big pharm doesn't have a lot of control over that thing we call medicine is naive at best. You certainly have a right to your opinion, but that's all it is, and you have expressed it. Yes, the drug companies start grooming the doctors from the time they are in med school with free goodies. When they finally become doctors the gifts increase. For example for every patient a doctor puts on Inderal the doctor gets 10,000 frequent flier points from the drug company. A friend of mine was put on this drug and was having all sorts of side effects from the low blood pressure it was causing. So I told her to mention this to her doctor. She did and the doctors response was to double her dose. She only weighed maybe 80 pounds and I warned her that doubling the dose would kill her. She talked to the pharmacist who told her the same thing then went down to Scripps Hospital where the doctor there told her the same thing and took her off the drug completely. And of course her symptoms disappeared. I have seen so many cases of this happening where people were put on drugs they never needed simply because the doctor was either getting bonuses from the drug companies, they were invested in to that drug stock or both. In one case the doctor gave an 80 year old woman I knew an experimental drug to restart her menstrual cycle because she was complaining of vaginal dryness. He also prescribed her tons of other crap she did not need including 750mg muscle relaxants. She was also a tiny woman and again even one of those would have killed her. He also had her on Nitrobid, Nitrostat and nitroglycerine. All the same drug under different names. When she overdosed on one of the meds they rushed her to the hospital and we collected all of her meds to take in. We literally filled a gallon bag full of meds that promptly disappeared when we dropped them off at the hospital. This was how this doctor was funding his 3 offices around town by over prescribing medications, needed or not. The hospital was no better. It was just this little hospital in the Vegas area. When her husband was brought in first for a stroke they called in a lung specialist who claimed he had lung cancer and they tried to get him to consent to an operation. He refused and died years later still cancer free. With his wife when she was admitted for the OD they called in a specialist to look at her stomach. They claimed she had stomach cancer and got her to consent to an operation. She died several weeks later. All they really had was millions of dollars in their bank account before this all went down. Now this same hospital has several large extravagant hospitals in the Vegas Valley area. Guess how those were funded? This kind of crap goes on all the time, and not just in Vegas. Look at the Redding Hospital scandal in California where the surgeon there was conducting bypasses on perfectly healthy people to increase his and hospital profits. And I know 4 other people personally who were also told they had cancer when it turned out they did not. So either the doctors were simply really stupid, greedy or both. I had another friend in New Mexico that had a stroke due to the doctor overdosing her on Lisinopril. I had to actually explain to the doctor why her pulse was 125 and her blood pressure was skyrocketing to up around 300/200 then a few minutes later bottoming out to 60/40 in a cyclical manner. And I recommended that if they put her on anything they should have her on a beta blocker. Not only did this completely ignorant doctor get all pissed off because I had to explain why this was happening she actually said with her pulse rate being so low a beta blocker would kill her. I don't know what quack medical school this doctor went to but a pulse of 125 is not low. It is considered tachycardia (excessively high heart rate). Funny thing is that she must have consulted with the other doctors on the case since the next day they had my friend on a beta blocker like a suggested. Years later she was in home hospice. When she passed away the family called to tell me about a big magnificent tree I had pruned for them while I was back there visiting. The hospice has sent out literally pallets of morphine for this one patient. which was probably really enough for hundreds of patients. Well once delivered and this paid for the drugs cannot be sent back so they flushed everything down the toilet. This killed the tree that was growing over the septic system. The family member told me though that they swore that tree had a big smile when it went. Again it was all about the money. Why would they send more morphine than one person could use in 10 lifetimes. Because it was a sale. They killed my grandfather by giving him heparin therapy 3 times in 4 months, which leads to blood clots (white thrombus syndrome). Even though this information can be found in the medical journals I have yet to find any medical personnel that aware of the fact that heparin, a blood thinner, can cause blood clots. Of course these are the same idiots that almost drowned him internally on IV fluids, which luckily I caught when I came to visit and they claimed he was suddenly diabetic when they took one blood sugar reading from his finger while pumping him full of sugars. An idiotic doctor killed my business partner's father overdosing him on Amiadarone after spending months getting him off this crap under orders from his other doctor (cardiologist) who agreed his symptoms were side effects of the medication. He also started hallucinating on both Ambien and Lunesta, well known side effects. The doctor denied it was the drugs and claimed he developed Alzheimer's that cannot even be diagnosed without an autopsy overnight, which is also impossible. I can go on and on and on with examples of medical corruption. This is one of the reasons I finally left allopathic medicine. Just got so tired of watching the sheer stupidity, the padding of bills if insurance or bank accounts were good, unnecessary procedures, cures not being allowed for many things, etc.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 28, 2017 22:05:52 GMT -5
vegasjames - changing the conversation for a minute. I have been wanting to ask you what you think of the value range (low to high) given for TSH Thyroid blood tests. I read some info a few years back, but I have forgotten it- but it is something to the effect that the tests are almost useless because the value range is so skewed away from the actual normal values which are much more variable than the test accounts for. I hope I said that right. I have written extensively on the problems with thyroid tests. Sounds like the one problem you are referring to the fact that the thyroid function tests are inaccurate in part due to sudden fluctuations in thyroid hormone levels. More specifically when a person is under stress, emotional or physical (pain), there is a higher metabolic demand so thyroid hormone levels increase TEMPORARILY to met that demand. When you are racing to see the doctor, then other things that can lead to stress such as the anxiety of the needle, etc. this will all increase your thyroid hormone levels temporarily. So let's say someone is slightly hypothyroid. That stress I mentioned will temporarily raise the thyroid hormone levels, which can push levels up in to the normal range. Then they go back home kick back and relax and their levels drop back down to subnormal levels but they think their thyroid is fine based on the test during that temporary rise. There are other tests that can also test inaccurate due to stress or even stimulants like caffeine, which I bring up because they tell people they can have coffee before a lab test. Stress and caffeine both elevate cholesterol and blood pressure, and caffeine also raises PSA counts in men. The second problem with thyroid tests that lead to the common missing of hypothyroidism is the fact that chronic stress can elevate reverse triiodothyronine (rT3) levels. I don't think most doctors have a clue what rT3 is and it is rarely tested for. The thyroid produces two major metabolic hormones. tetraiodothyronine (T4, thyroxine) and triiodothyronine (T3). Of these the T3 is the most biologically active and if everything is in proper working order is produced from T4. The other hormones tested for thyroid releasing hormone (TRH) also known as thyrotropin-releasing factor (TRF) or thyroliberin and thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), also known as thyrotropin are not thyroid hormones. TRH is produced by the hypothalamus and tells the pituitary to release TSH. The TSH in turn tells the thyroid to produce its metabolic thyroid hormones. The problem with elevated rT3 levels is that the rT3 is biologically inactive. Its structure though allows the rT3 to bind to T3 receptors though, which prevents binding of actual T3 to the receptors. If the T3 cannot bind to the receptors it has no effect on the body. This is very similar to type 2 diabetes in which the person produces normal to above normal levels of insulin, but they cannot utilize their own insulin. In short a person can have normal TSH, T3 and T4 and still be hypothyroid for the reasons stated above. This is why basal body temperature readings in conjunction with hypothyroid symptoms are a significantly better indicator of hypothyroidism than lab tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 0:37:12 GMT -5
Ambien! Don't get me started! OMG
Autism is close to me heart. James is correct in my mind. A spectrum of disorders, none of which is a birth defect.
I once had the true pleasure on a 15 hour flight, to sit next to a pediatric researcher whose subject was autism. Her research showed that autism was a result of a "too clean home". That is a perseverant mother that would keep a near sterile home and the child was not allowed to play out of doors. This denying essential soil bacteria to the body of the child. Fast forward.
Her college roommate and best friend in life had a baby that was starting to show signs of autism. My seatmate smartly offered to watch the baby and let the parents have a long weekend vacation. While in her care they made mud pies (we all did that?) And she took the extraordinary measure of making a tea from the mud. Filtered thru a dish towel she let the baby drink a couple of ounces.
Not scientific, yet the autism stopped in its tracks. Theory is those soil organisms cause an immune response that is healthy for the brain.
Happy new year!
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 3, 2018 2:47:33 GMT -5
Ambien! Don't get me started! OMG Autism is close to me heart. James is correct in my mind. A spectrum of disorders, none of which is a birth defect. I once had the true pleasure on a 15 hour flight, to sit next to a pediatric researcher whose subject was autism. Her research showed that autism was a result of a "too clean home". That is a perseverant mother that would keep a near sterile home and the child was not allowed to play out of doors. This denying essential soil bacteria to the body of the child. Fast forward. Her college roommate and best friend in life had a baby that was starting to show signs of autism. My seatmate smartly offered to watch the baby and let the parents have a long weekend vacation. While in her care they made mud pies (we all did that?) And she took the extraordinary measure of making a tea from the mud. Filtered thru a dish towel she let the baby drink a couple of ounces. Not scientific, yet the autism stopped in its tracks. Theory is those soil organisms cause an immune response that is healthy for the brain. Happy new year! Both Ambien and Lunesta are worthless crap that even the drug companies admit don't work. All these quack drugs have been proven to do is to induce hallucinations and sleep activities (sleep walking, sleep driving, sleep sex, sleep eating. sleep murdering, etc.). Here is a video you may like. Someone I knew was put on Ambien and then Lunesta. In both cases he was hallucinating, reading a paper towel, talking to dead people and he cut the cord on the DVD player and disassembled it. When reported to the doctor the idiotic doctor claimed he developed Alzheimer's overnight. Alzheimer's does not occur overnight and it cannot even be diagnosed without an autopsy. Once he was back off the drugs the problems disappeared and he clearly did not even have dementia. There wad no question these worthless, dangerous drugs had caused the symptoms.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 3, 2018 5:09:46 GMT -5
A personal observation made by me, personally.
I had some kind of a heart scan, I do not recall the procedure. It involved nuclear and some other injections, a trip on a tread mill, a pair of 30 minute scans by a camera that ran on a track halfway around my body. 20% inconclusive.
Fast forward to some work environment that had my chest hurting. Now I need an invasive procedure to run a camera into my heart through my groin. Not your heart, it's acid reflux. We all knew that.
Then a call from the cardio rehab to learn how to arrest my heart disease. I remarked that the surgeon performed the surgery for his and the hospital's financial gain. The unit head's reply? "I am surprised he discussed that with you."
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 3, 2018 14:52:07 GMT -5
A personal observation made by me, personally. I had some kind of a heart scan, I do not recall the procedure. It involved nuclear and some other injections, a trip on a tread mill, a pair of 30 minute scans by a camera that ran on a track halfway around my body. 20% inconclusive. Fast forward to some work environment that had my chest hurting. Now I need an invasive procedure to run a camera into my heart through my groin. Not your heart, it's acid reflux. We all knew that. Then a call from the cardio rehab to learn how to arrest my heart disease. I remarked that the surgeon performed the surgery for his and the hospital's financial gain. The unit head's reply? "I am surprised he discussed that with you." Yes, acid reflux and gallbladder attacks are a few of the things that can lead to symptoms mimicking heart conditions. An ECG and heart enzymes can rule out a heart attack. Should add that a lot of doctors are part owners in imaging centers. So they need to pay for their very expensive equipment. This often leads to unnecessary scans being performed when they are not really needed.
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