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Post by tims on Dec 16, 2017 16:54:20 GMT -5
No, not when it gets too short and you burn your lips. I think i'm getting arthritis, probably have had for years but this winter it's really turned up the volume.
Any diet or exercise tips that might help? I'm not into pain killers / meds and couldn't afford to look at a doctor if i passed one on the street.
I read that coffee is thought to worsen RA but atm it's the only thing that gives me relief, half a cup in the morning when i want to cry and the pain drops back to where it can be ignored. My head and wallet are convinced it's better than bottles of pills.
Anyway, ideas welcome. Maybe i just need to move south.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 17:13:02 GMT -5
Main thing is to reduce the inflammation to keep permanent damage to a minimum. Coffee and green tea do have some anti-inflammatory action for some types of arthritic conditions (but can eventually make other types worse), so you are probably getting a bit of that effect. Despite unproven food and herb claims that haven't gone through stringent double-blind testing (some of which can actually worsen the conditions - I know from personal experience) you aren't going to find anything readily available that are proven safer and more effective than OTC pills. Aspirin is still one of the safest anti-inflammatories. However, if what you have is gout rather than arthritis, use Aleve (Naproxen sodium) or Advil (Ibuprofen), as the acid in aspirin can make gout worse. Naproxen generally works a bit better than Ibuprofen (note that Tylenol/Acetaminophen does absolutely nothing to calm down arthritic or gouty arthritic inflammation and damage). Only take them when you have a flare-up, and not for more than a few days. Any flare-up that lasts longer than a week, you need to see a doctor. Doing this at the start of a flare-up has worked keeping me mobile for my age thus far.
Don't overwork the affected joints during a flare-up (light use is good, but that pain is telling you something).
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Post by nemesis21 on Dec 16, 2017 17:32:59 GMT -5
I think a lot of the symptoms can be derived solely from inflammation.
Some things can help like taking fish oil or if you've reached a certain age glucosamine/chondritin could help in the long term. Or just try eating more fish and shellfish if you hate pills.
If you think it's some minor food allergy related problem I'd try an elimination diet and see if anything resolves or gets better. Some common culprits are gluten and dairy to try first, but you generally have to get off of something for a month to notice anything. If anything, I'd recommend eating as little processed food as possible.
In general, exercising regularly will almost always be beneficial, just listen to your body and don't overdo it.
If you want to go down the rabbit hole a bit more you could look into time restricted eating. Basically eating in a restrictive time window of like 8-10 hours, not a dietary change. Basically it's supposed to help you sleep better which can help your body repair itself and improve inflammation.
Edit: As far as caffeine, I tried going off it for a few months and didn't notice a change in any of my symptoms. However, everyone is different and it might be worth testing.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 16, 2017 18:12:57 GMT -5
No, not when it gets too short and you burn your lips. I think i'm getting arthritis, probably have had for years but this winter it's really turned up the volume. Any diet or exercise tips that might help? I'm not into pain killers / meds and couldn't afford to look at a doctor if i passed one on the street. I read that coffee is thought to worsen RA but atm it's the only thing that gives me relief, half a cup in the morning when i want to cry and the pain drops back to where it can be ignored. My head and wallet are convinced it's better than bottles of pills. Anyway, ideas welcome. Maybe i just need to move south. There are about 120 forms of arthritis. Different forms can require different treatments. The most common though are osteoarthritis, which is a "wear and tear" type condition as where rheumatoid arthritis is autoimmune. And doctors do not understand autoimmunity. They are under the false impression that autoimmunity is the result of an overactive immune system, which is total nonsense. This is why things that suppress the immune system such as stress and stimulants (caffeine, nicotine, etc.) make these conditions worse. Autoimmunity is the result of immune suppression through the adrenals. The adrenals regulate the production of the normal high affinity (specific) antibodies verses low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies also known as "autoantibodies". Being nonspecfiic these antibodies cross react to healthy tissues mistaking them for the associated pathogens that trigger these conditions due to similar molecular markers on the cell surface. The white blood cells then do their job just as they are designed to do attacking the antibody tagged cells. So the white blood cells and the rest of the immune system are doing their job perfectly normal. The only problem with the immune system again is weak adrenal glands leading to overproduction of abnormal low affinity antibodies. Coffee does make the underlying condition worse as this will weaken the adrenals even more by over stimulating them. In the short term the caffeine stimulates the adrenals increasing output of anti-inflammatory corticosteroids that will reduce inflammation. Again the long run though routine intake of coffee leads to decreases in both epinephrine and corticosteroid output, the later leading to increased inflammation and aggravation of autoimmune disorders. If you know what kind of arthritis this is then I can give you more specific suggestions. Otherwise some things that will help with both osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis are the herbs licorice root and Yucca schidegra root powders. Both are steroidal anti-inflammatories and both are very supportive to the adrenal glands, which will increase the body's own production of anti-inflammatory corticosteroids. Vitamin C and pantothenic acid (B5) sources also help as these are the two most important nutrients for the adrenals. The licorice and yucca root powders lack the dangerous side effects of the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as aspirin, ibuprofen (Advil, Nuprin, etc.), celecoxib (Celebrex), naproxen sodium (Aleve), etc.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 16, 2017 19:10:07 GMT -5
Main thing is to reduce the inflammation to keep permanent damage to a minimum. Coffee and green tea do have some anti-inflammatory action for some types of arthritic conditions (but can eventually make other types worse), so you are probably getting a bit of that effect. Despite unproven food and herb claims that haven't gone through stringent double-blind testing (some of which can actually worsen the conditions - I know from personal experience) you aren't going to find anything readily available that are proven safer and more effective than OTC pills. Aspirin is still one of the safest anti-inflammatories. However, if what you have is gout rather than arthritis, use Aleve (Naproxen sodium) or Advil (Ibuprofen), as the acid in aspirin can make gout worse. Naproxen generally works a bit better than Ibuprofen (note that Tylenol/Acetaminophen does absolutely nothing to calm down arthritic or gouty arthritic inflammation and damage). Only take them when you have a flare-up, and not for more than a few days. Any flare-up that lasts longer than a week, you need to see a doctor. Doing this at the start of a flare-up has worked keeping me mobile for my age thus far. Don't overwork the affected joints during a flare-up (light use is good, but that pain is telling you something). "Unproven food and herb claims"? There is more real research validating the efficacy of herbs than there is for the dangerous pharmaceutical drugs. And unlike how the pharmaceutical companies drop people from their studies if they die or do not respond to make the drugs "appear" effective this has not been shown with herbal studies. It was reported in JAMA though with the testing of chemotherapy drugs and other examples of this have come up in news reports. On top of that there are numerous FDA approved drugs that were found to be no better than placebo such as dextromethorphan (DM) used in cough medicines. In fact the FDA was Court ordered in 1969 to remove this drug and 709 other FDA approved prescription drugs from the market because they were found to be too dangerous for human use or simply no better than placebo. The FDA found a loophole though and not only left all these drugs on the market but many are also now available over the counter. And that brings up another interesting point. Most drugs are made prescription only when they first hit the market. As soon as the patent expires on the drug the FDA must think that these drugs magically are all of a sudden safe because so many are made over the counter as soon as the patent expires. This includes very dangerous drugs like NSAID drugs ibuprofen and naproxen. In fact the FDA lowball estimates there are over 16,500 annual deaths from the use of FDA approved NSAIDs alone. Compare that to proven deaths to herbs, which are almost unheard of unless the herbal products were adulterated. And these deaths are rarely due to overdoses. Aspirin for example kills an estimated 5,000 people a year due to internal bleeding from regular use. Ibuprofen killed 2 dozen people during clinical trials from ibuprofen induced hepatitis. Even a single recommended dose of these drugs (NSAIDs) can lead to liver failure, kidney failure, heart attack or stroke. I know 4 people who developed kidney failure from a single recommended dose of ibuprofen. And contrary to lies by the aspirin manufacturers studies have shown that taking an aspirin during a heart attack is an extremely bad idea. The reason for all this is that NSAIDs work by constricting blood vessels. When there is injury to the body there are hormones basically called inflammatory prostaglandins released in higher levels to dilate blood vessels. This increases oxygen and nutrients to the area to speed the healing process. Over dilation though also makes the blood vessels more permeable allowing fluids to leak in to the surrounding tissues leading to the swelling and pain. So the NSAIDs block these prostaglandins causing the blood vessels to constrict. This reduces leakage but also inhibits healing. And in some cases this can lead to the blood supply to vital organs being cut off leading to liver failure, kidney failure, heart attack and stroke. These can also lead to other problems such as higher blood pressure and loss of vision. During a heart attack there is tissue death due to a blocking of blood flow to the heart muscle. Taking an aspirin during a heart attack will constrict the blood flow to the heart even further making aggravating the heart attack. NSAIDs have also been shown to destroy cartilage. This will aggravate many forms of arthritis. By the way gout is a form of arthritis. Gout is an accumulation of uric acid in the joint leading to joint inflammation (arthritis). It can have various causes such as dehydration, various medications, hypothyroidism, high purine intake, alcohol intake, hemolytic anemia, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 21:12:25 GMT -5
I have found a gluten free diet will end swelling and associated pain in my joints.
Try it.
No dangerous chemicals, no placebos, no doctors.
Costs nothing. No copays or deductable!
Takes three weeks to clear the system. In the first 2 weeks you will lose 5% of your body weight as the associated edema shrinks. All that water leaves the body.
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Post by tims on Dec 16, 2017 21:16:49 GMT -5
Many thanks everyone lots of things to look at. I'm not familiar with gout at all but will read up on it. I'm relying on self-diagnosis which i know is dumb but i don't have the option of seeking a professional opinion.
Living in rural Wyoming it's challenging to find tolerable processed foods let alone anything fresh. Seafood is of course frozen and usually looks like it's been sitting there way too long ... Produce here is usually harvested immature and "ripened" during transport so unless you grow it, it's not great. In summer I do grow some veggies, and have apple and pear trees, and buy bland fruit all winter so i think Vitamin C is ok at least.
Between car wrecks, bike wrecks, fights and bad jobs i've had significant pain for decades (closing in on 50), but it was always mild chronic pain with occassional bad times from overuse / weird weather etc. Winter has always hurt. I'm going to do more research and try some simple things to start like cooking more and trying to exercise in the mornings to get my blood pumping instead of camping on a cup of coffee. If i run across anything helpful will share.
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Post by tims on Dec 16, 2017 21:19:12 GMT -5
Just saw your post Chapente. Will do some more research but i suspect i'd need to do groceries (and more reading) online to make gluten-free an option. Will try to at least be cognizant of the gluten issue.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 16, 2017 21:52:36 GMT -5
I see a rheumatologist for my arthritis. I have psoriatic arthritis. My doc says that naproxen sodium is the gold standard for auto immune arthritis. It really does help a lot. BUT, it can be dangerous. I only take it when I absolutely need it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 21:55:17 GMT -5
Just saw your post Chapente. Will do some more research but i suspect i'd need to do groceries (and more reading) online to make gluten-free an option. Will try to at least be cognizant of the gluten issue. Just eat what you normally eat without the wheat flour products. To be gluten free I have found I end up eating a lot more veggies. Even canned corn and green beans work. I eat a salad with a protein every night. Preferably protein I put on the table with a successful hunt. One thing I do not do is buy "gluten free" products like pastas and breads. It's better simply to avoid grains and products made to mimic wheat flour goods.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 16, 2017 22:18:28 GMT -5
Many thanks everyone lots of things to look at. I'm not familiar with gout at all but will read up on it. I'm relying on self-diagnosis which i know is dumb but i don't have the option of seeking a professional opinion. Can you describe it? First of all is the pain in the joints, or is it is the muscles? Where is the pain located? If in the fingers is there visible swelling? Is the area hot? And deformity? Is the pain consistent with movement or aggravated when you are under stress?
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Post by nemesis21 on Dec 16, 2017 23:35:53 GMT -5
Many thanks everyone lots of things to look at. I'm not familiar with gout at all but will read up on it. I'm relying on self-diagnosis which i know is dumb but i don't have the option of seeking a professional opinion. Living in rural Wyoming it's challenging to find tolerable processed foods let alone anything fresh. Seafood is of course frozen and usually looks like it's been sitting there way too long ... Produce here is usually harvested immature and "ripened" during transport so unless you grow it, it's not great. In summer I do grow some veggies, and have apple and pear trees, and buy bland fruit all winter so i think Vitamin C is ok at least. Between car wrecks, bike wrecks, fights and bad jobs i've had significant pain for decades (closing in on 50), but it was always mild chronic pain with occassional bad times from overuse / weird weather etc. Winter has always hurt. I'm going to do more research and try some simple things to start like cooking more and trying to exercise in the mornings to get my blood pumping instead of camping on a cup of coffee. If i run across anything helpful will share. Yea it's near impossible to find what you want in rural WY. I don't think frozen is bad and ripened fruit is just ethylene gas(natural) added. I'd just avoid pre-packaged meals and pre-seasoned dishes if you can. Try to eat fresh fruit/veg/meat and prepare your own stuff so you know what's in it. Going gluten free will be more of a challenge, but I even found a co-op grocery in Riverton of all places and more grocery chains are carrying stuff now(eg. Wal-mart, Safeway) I'd also highly recommend hunting or finding a generous friend because the elk and pronghorn I had in WY were probably my favorite meats ever! The guys I knew out there rarely had to buy meat with one or two good hunting trips each year. You have a great meat store in your backyard!
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 16, 2017 23:42:15 GMT -5
I have found a gluten free diet will end swelling and associated pain in my joints. Try it. No dangerous chemicals, no placebos, no doctors. Costs nothing. No copays or deductable! Takes three weeks to clear the system. In the first 2 weeks you will lose 5% of your body weight as the associated edema shrinks. All that water leaves the body. I have looked into this and I am firmly convinced that there is nothing wrong with gluten, unless you have celiacs disease. All the studies show zero connection. Glyphosate (round-up) is more likely to be the culprit. The whole gluten intolerance thing began about the same time that Monsanto convinced wheat growers to spray their crops shortly before harvest to make the grain easier to process. Another possibility is fodmaps. Forms of undigestible fructose found in grains that typically contain gluten, in lactose, and several other places. Switching to a low (not zero) fodmap diet and limiting their gluten containing grain consumption to organically grown, less processed products, is the preferable approach from what I've read. I welcome James critique, he's definitely the nutrition guy.
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 16, 2017 23:57:26 GMT -5
Speaking of which, I'll throw my symptoms out there as well. I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with osteoarthritis as it only affects my thumbs so far and of course as a life long maker type they have had lots of wear and tear. my chiropractor suggested pulling my thumbs for a few seconds periodically to create a traction of sorts and get fluids into the joints. A topical essential oils cocktail from a dealer at our rock show seems to give some relief.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 17, 2017 0:18:19 GMT -5
I have found a gluten free diet will end swelling and associated pain in my joints. Try it. No dangerous chemicals, no placebos, no doctors. Costs nothing. No copays or deductable! Takes three weeks to clear the system. In the first 2 weeks you will lose 5% of your body weight as the associated edema shrinks. All that water leaves the body. I have looked into this and I am firmly convinced that there is nothing wrong with gluten, unless you have celiacs disease. All the studies show zero connection. Glyphosate (round-up) is more likely to be the culprit. The whole gluten intolerance thing began about the same time that Monsanto convinced wheat growers to spray their crops shortly before harvest to make the grain easier to process. Another possibility is fodmaps. Forms of undigestible fructose found in grains that typically contain gluten, in lactose, and several other places. Switching to a low (not zero) fodmap diet and limiting their gluten containing grain consumption to organically grown, less processed products, is the preferable approach from what I've read. I welcome James critique, he's definitely the nutrition guy. I think the whole gluten thing is over hyped, but there actually is such a thing as a gluten intolerance. "Intolerance" is not the proper word though. This would actually be a gluten allergy as glutens can be antigenic proteins. And people often confuse this with the inherited Celiac disease, which is completely different. This is also why a person can have a reaction to one form of gluten but not another. As for my mentioning the hype this is one of those things like Candida where unrelated symptoms are often attributed and so people think if they have ______ symptom they must have a gluten allergy, Candida, etc. not taking in to account that symptoms often have multiple causes. In short people often get in to trouble self diagnosing themselves because they read crap or watch bogus health YouTube videos where most if not all the information is complete nonsense. And since most people have no clue how the body really works or sometimes what a disease or condition is (this often includes doctors themselves) they just think to themselves that I have _____ symptom and _____ site claims this is a symptom of ________ and therefore that must be what I have. As examples of what I said above about not understanding diseases and conditions, including doctors I have heard so many doctors claim AIDS is a disease, including many so-called AIDS experts. AIDS IS NOT a disease. The "S" in AIDS stands for syndrome. Syndromes are not diseases but rather a group of symptoms, which is also why AIDS has multiple causes. As another example I have heard so many doctors claims osteoporosis is a loss of bone minerals. A loss of bone minerals is osteomalacia and osteopenia, not osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is a loss of collagen matrix, which reduces mineral binding sites. Sorry to sound like a deviating from the topic, but I felt it was important to give different examples to show what I mean about the dangers of self diagnosis. If doctors cannot figure out such simple concepts with their training then what should we expect from people with no medical background?
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 17, 2017 0:45:05 GMT -5
Speaking of which, I'll throw my symptoms out there as well. I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with osteoarthritis as it only affects my thumbs so far and of course as a life long maker type they have had lots of wear and tear. my chiropractor suggested pulling my thumbs for a few seconds periodically to create a traction of sorts and get fluids into the joints. A topical essential oils cocktail from a dealer at our rock show seems to give some relief. Thumbs could be osteoarthritis, which is the easiest to cure. But rheumatoid most often hits the finger joints. Being that it is in both hands and the thumbs only along with what you said about the wear and tear it is most likely osteoarthritis. As for the best way to cure this I recommend gelatin, silica in the form of food grade diatomaceous earth added to water (http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2800) and vitamin C sources. I prefer natural vitamin C sources such as berries, mango, papaya, rose hips, acerola, etc. to the unstable synthetic ascorbic acid commonly sold as a supplement. The gelatin provides the amino acids for collagen and elastin synthesis. It also provides glucosamine and chondroitin, but glucosamine is very slow to work and oral chondroitin is basically worthless. If anyone of seriously interested in why I can explain why. Silica and vitamin C are the two most common nutrient deficiencies that lead to a loss of collagen and elastin. Silica also links glucosamine molecules in to long chains to form chondroitin in the formation of cartilage. There are some herbs that also significantly speed up the regeneration process. My favorites are pretty obscure. Gotu kola though is common and promotes collagen synthesis. As an example of the growth acceleration I am talking about a friend of mine blew out his knees playing softball. With the ingredients I mentioned above and several of the growth accelerating herbs he regrew all the cartilage in his knees in 2 months. Glucosamine itself takes at least 4 months to even start seeing results. As for anti-inflammatories again licorice root and yucca root are my favorites as they are both steroidal anti-inflammatories and they both promote the production of the bodies own anti-inflammatory corticosteroids unlike pharmaceutical steroids that atrophy the adrenals suppressing the output of corticosteroids by the adrenals, which also leads to immune suppression. Topically the best essential oil is wintergreen essential oil, which contains the anti-inflammatory methyl salicylate. It should be slightly diluted in a base oil like grapeseed oil. Wintergreen is sometimes combined with other oils such as camphor, black pepper, capsaicin, etc. to promote circulation, which also aids in healing.
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Post by tims on Dec 17, 2017 6:41:43 GMT -5
Many thanks everyone lots of things to look at. I'm not familiar with gout at all but will read up on it. I'm relying on self-diagnosis which i know is dumb but i don't have the option of seeking a professional opinion. Can you describe it? First of all is the pain in the joints, or is it is the muscles? Where is the pain located? If in the fingers is there visible swelling? Is the area hot? And deformity? Is the pain consistent with movement or aggravated when you are under stress? Let's see ... it's joint pain, primarily in the first knuckles of my fingers and the outer elbows. Shoulder cup and neck pain on the left side also but my neck i attribute to an old injury. No noticeable swelling or hotness or deformity, though i notice the skin is really sensitive on my hands and arms like when you get a bad fever, but i haven't felt feverish and no symptoms that would indicate flu etc. The pain seems consistent when moving or at rest, and i haven't been under any significant stress since this started, around mid-week. Strangely tonight my right side feels pretty good with no significant pain. By contrast my left side seems worse. If it's just a passing flare-up, which i'm hoping due to happy right arm, i'll be thrilled. Maybe some kind of infection? There was a small rash or maybe small insect bites on my left arm when this first flared up, itchy but no lumps or bumps. If it's just a weird reaction to a spider bite or something i'll really feel dumb. nemesis21 I don't hunt but do get the occasional deer steak and a rare bit of elk from friends. I pass on pronghorn, they taste like sagebrush to me. Plus i'd feel guilty eating something that can outrun my car.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 15:24:09 GMT -5
I have found a gluten free diet will end swelling and associated pain in my joints. Try it. No dangerous chemicals, no placebos, no doctors. Costs nothing. No copays or deductable! Takes three weeks to clear the system. In the first 2 weeks you will lose 5% of your body weight as the associated edema shrinks. All that water leaves the body. I have looked into this and I am firmly convinced that there is nothing wrong with gluten, unless you have celiacs disease. All the studies show zero connection. Glyphosate (round-up) is more likely to be the culprit. The whole gluten intolerance thing began about the same time that Monsanto convinced wheat growers to spray their crops shortly before harvest to make the grain easier to process. Another possibility is fodmaps. Forms of undigestible fructose found in grains that typically contain gluten, in lactose, and several other places. Switching to a low (not zero) fodmap diet and limiting their gluten containing grain consumption to organically grown, less processed products, is the preferable approach from what I've read. I welcome James critique, he's definitely the nutrition guy. I haven't read shit, but I know if I eat a bagel tonight I won't be able to get out of bed tomorrow. Pretzels also, omg! If I completely drop all wheat products including beer (my current cryptonite!) Then I lose 5% of my body weight in 2 weeks. During those two weeks I'm up peeing all night and having trouble drinking my normal liquid intake. In 3 weeks all knee and shoulder pains are gone. This isn't some speculation. It's my body. Celiac will kill you. Many others have glutenallergies that cause swelling and joint pain. And beer belly! Too much soy sauce (glutamates) does the same to me. I too welcome vegasjames input. ETA Whole grain wheat is worse than highly processed. Higher gluten stuff like bagels are worse also. Heavier beers like porters and stouts worse also. ETA x2 Lee I missed your bit about glyphosate..... Hmmmm....... Will consider. The other thing to consider is phytic acid.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 17, 2017 17:15:50 GMT -5
The worst thing you can do, is sit it out!! Keep moving and exercise the joints! The human body isn't meant for sitting still..Don't use it,you lose it..."FACT" Google the information and study it...There is a lot of it out there.. Good luck!
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 17, 2017 17:44:03 GMT -5
Can you describe it? First of all is the pain in the joints, or is it is the muscles? Where is the pain located? If in the fingers is there visible swelling? Is the area hot? And deformity? Is the pain consistent with movement or aggravated when you are under stress? Let's see ... it's joint pain, primarily in the first knuckles of my fingers and the outer elbows. Shoulder cup and neck pain on the left side also but my neck i attribute to an old injury. No noticeable swelling or hotness or deformity, though i notice the skin is really sensitive on my hands and arms like when you get a bad fever, but i haven't felt feverish and no symptoms that would indicate flu etc. The pain seems consistent when moving or at rest, and i haven't been under any significant stress since this started, around mid-week. Strangely tonight my right side feels pretty good with no significant pain. By contrast my left side seems worse. If it's just a passing flare-up, which i'm hoping due to happy right arm, i'll be thrilled. Maybe some kind of infection? There was a small rash or maybe small insect bites on my left arm when this first flared up, itchy but no lumps or bumps. If it's just a weird reaction to a spider bite or something i'll really feel dumb. nemesis21 I don't hunt but do get the occasional deer steak and a rare bit of elk from friends. I pass on pronghorn, they taste like sagebrush to me. Plus i'd feel guilty eating something that can outrun my car. There are various forms of infectious arthritis, but those are going to be accompanied by a low grade fever. Does sound more like osteoarthritis. Although it is possible to have more than one form of arthritis at a time. I recommend addressing it as osteoarthritis first, which will reduce the inflammation anyway and will help with any joint damage if present.
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