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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 12:33:07 GMT -5
I covered these shards with a fine flame polishable 2mm glass and cooked it on Vic. Very nice polish that flame polish and way better than my tumble polish. Maybe this can be repeated and that is fine but my intent is to grind - shape - tumble. By carefully placing the 2mm glass cut-to-shape the melt made a darn near perfect cab. Heck, I'd be well to have the glass blower blow me a big gourd of this pattern and others like it to make cabs out of. I suppose I need to use multiple slices of clear glass to avoid the bubbles. Now those are awesome!! OK, I loaded the kiln with about 100 different Janke patterns doing this same process this morning. That meant nipping a 2mm clear usable sheet glass to the same shape to cover Janke's random shaped vase shards and Elmer's glueing them to each shard. Took detailed photos before so I can see what I did wrong if I did.(yes) This is a dozen others I did yesterday with the ones above. Not as focused on size of clear glass as the batch due tomorrow. Some not bad:
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Post by MsAli on Feb 27, 2018 12:42:43 GMT -5
OK, I loaded the kiln with about 100 different Janke patterns doing this same process this morning. That meant nipping a 2mm clear usable sheet glass to the same shape to cover Janke's random shaped vase shards and Elmer's glueing them to each shard. Took detailed photos before so I can see what I did wrong if I did.(yes) This is a dozen others I did yesterday with the ones above. Not as focused on size of clear glass as the batch due tomorrow. Some not bad: Will the glue hold up?
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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 12:43:18 GMT -5
Uh reality check... To blow patterns like this I would need years experience. Assuming I ever could. I would just pay the master to blow a big ugly jug of fine detailed patterns like these and buy it. Then reduce it to jewels. No way me can blow glass like this. Not in a myllyun years. Great commission task though. Plus I smoke. Go watch them. You will be surprised how simply patterns are made. How a dip in clear glass makes laminations you previously thought only a machine could do. They know me well. I have visited them about 8 times hauling off about 3 tons of scrap glass. I sit and watch them every trip. I best stick to my fusing endeavor and leave the blowing skill to the masters. One thing at a time, this fusing stuff is complicated. They are in happening downtown area and party hardy, lots of cool folks. I could hang out there every day. Would rather have fun with the cronies. I'd like to get a part time job there. But that skill requires supreme team work, those 3 guys are like one man with 6 arms and legs. Super coordinated team.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 12:47:24 GMT -5
OK, I loaded the kiln with about 100 different Janke patterns doing this same process this morning. That meant nipping a 2mm clear usable sheet glass to the same shape to cover Janke's random shaped vase shards and Elmer's glueing them to each shard. Took detailed photos before so I can see what I did wrong if I did.(yes) This is a dozen others I did yesterday with the ones above. Not as focused on size of clear glass as the batch due tomorrow. Some not bad: Will the glue hold up? I looked at 600F. It turned dog crap brown at that temp. somewhere after that it vaporizes as if never there. None of the windows fell off, must have held well enough. It is completely gone after cook, zappo due to 1500F. That be hot hot. Not as hot as the glass blowers work with it though.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 12:52:33 GMT -5
I covered these shards with a fine flame polishable 2mm glass and cooked it on Vic. Very nice polish that flame polish and way better than my tumble polish. Maybe this can be repeated and that is fine but my intent is to grind - shape - tumble. By carefully placing the 2mm glass cut-to-shape the melt made a darn near perfect cab. Heck, I'd be well to have the glass blower blow me a big gourd of this pattern and others like it to make cabs out of. I suppose I need to use multiple slices of clear glass to avoid the bubbles. You can also grind and sand to shape, then flame polish. You get it hot enough to polish but not flow. I will show some of these when I get time to take pics. Looking good! Vic 10-4 Vic. I get what you are saying. I do a lot of glass in the tumbler that does not pass thru the kiln anyway. So I can tumble the messed up fused items. I actually tumble more glass that is from other sources than the kiln. Many of them are not good for fusing. Or flame polishing. So this gig is sorta complicated.
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 27, 2018 15:21:31 GMT -5
The mad scientist from Georgia.................. icon_think I'm just going to hold on to my China millefiori,for now..... Will think of something to do with it..
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Post by Mark K on Mar 2, 2018 16:24:28 GMT -5
I bought a few pounds of cool glass chunks from Jim Grey in AZ. I wish I had bought more. How do I kill off the foam? I think it is affecting the performance a bit.
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Post by vegasjames on Mar 2, 2018 17:27:38 GMT -5
OK, I loaded the kiln with about 100 different Janke patterns doing this same process this morning. That meant nipping a 2mm clear usable sheet glass to the same shape to cover Janke's random shaped vase shards and Elmer's glueing them to each shard. Took detailed photos before so I can see what I did wrong if I did.(yes) This is a dozen others I did yesterday with the ones above. Not as focused on size of clear glass as the batch due tomorrow. Some not bad: Will the glue hold up? Elmer's Glue is polyvinylacetate (PVA) same as Mod Podge (alkalized PVC to prevent yellowing). It will burn up long before reaching the temperatures needed to fuse the glass. PVA's boiling point is around 230F.
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Post by NRG on Mar 2, 2018 19:33:53 GMT -5
Looks like you have mastered the "Monatomic Andarra Crystal Stone"
Seriously, keep after it. Love seeing your mind play.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 19:57:14 GMT -5
Elmer's Glue is polyvinylacetate (PVA) same as Mod Podge (alkalized PVC to prevent yellowing). It will burn up long before reaching the temperatures needed to fuse the glass. PVA's boiling point is around 230F. at about 500F the Elmer's turns dog turd dark brown James. It is totally vaporized at somewhere around 700F. Oddly, the glass that is glued always stays put when firing, but not when first glueing them. I have to keep adjusting the glued cover plate if gravity is effecting it till the glue gets tacky. I noticed another fuser using super glue. Isn't it cyanide based ?
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 20:11:31 GMT -5
I met with the glass blower today MsAli about them blowing some exact specification glass 'balloons' with no attention to base and mouth. Basically just jewelry stock to break into shards. But to exacting thickness and layers for further fusing. Met w/ Janke's nephew, he will take that over some day. He is a bit of a glass prodigy. The jewelry glass market could be a big sector of his business in the future. We discussed making one big vase with various bands of texture rings and blobs of different patterns. So each vase would have a dozen + textures for a variety of shards. He said my needs would be inexpensive due to the way I need the colors laid on and the thin nature of the glass. No, not me, I would let him do the blowing and the master touch of laying/swirling the colors on. I saw what the students made, no thanks lol.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 2, 2018 20:13:06 GMT -5
Looks like you have mastered the "Monatomic Andarra Crystal Stone" Seriously, keep after it. Love seeing your mind play. The glass is a mind bender. so many ways to molest it. It never ends Scott.
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Post by vegasjames on Mar 2, 2018 20:17:53 GMT -5
Elmer's Glue is polyvinylacetate (PVA) same as Mod Podge (alkalized PVC to prevent yellowing). It will burn up long before reaching the temperatures needed to fuse the glass. PVA's boiling point is around 230F. at about 500F the Elmer's turns dog turd dark brown James. It is totally vaporized at somewhere around 700F. Oddly, the glass that is glued always stays put when firing, but not when first glueing them. I have to keep adjusting the glued cover plate if gravity is effecting it till the glue gets tacky. I noticed another fuser using super glue. Isn't it cyanide based ? Super glue is cyanoacrylate and does generate highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas above 200C.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 2, 2018 20:56:53 GMT -5
I met with the glass blower today MsAli about them blowing some exact specification glass 'balloons' with no attention to base and mouth. Basically just jewelry stock to break into shards. But to exacting thickness and layers for further fusing. Met w/ Janke's nephew, he will take that over some day. He is a bit of a glass prodigy. The jewelry glass market could be a big sector of his business in the future. We discussed making one big vase with various bands of texture rings and blobs of different patterns. So each vase would have a dozen + textures for a variety of shards. He said my needs would be inexpensive due to the way I need the colors laid on and the thin nature of the glass. No, not me, I would let him do the blowing and the master touch of laying/swirling the colors on. I saw what the students made, no thanks lol. You are just afraid of blowing I would think the scrap glass would keep you in stock for a while ? Is it is nephew that is doing the sculptures? Such talent there
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Post by jamesp on Mar 3, 2018 4:56:18 GMT -5
at about 500F the Elmer's turns dog turd dark brown James. It is totally vaporized at somewhere around 700F. Oddly, the glass that is glued always stays put when firing, but not when first glueing them. I have to keep adjusting the glued cover plate if gravity is effecting it till the glue gets tacky. I noticed another fuser using super glue. Isn't it cyanide based ? Super glue is cyanoacrylate and does generate highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas above 200C. A youtube video James, the gal was going to town glueing with Super Glue. i can smell the Elmer's Glue when firing. May leave the Super Glue out of the equation.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 3, 2018 5:16:42 GMT -5
I met with the glass blower today MsAli about them blowing some exact specification glass 'balloons' with no attention to base and mouth. Basically just jewelry stock to break into shards. But to exacting thickness and layers for further fusing. Met w/ Janke's nephew, he will take that over some day. He is a bit of a glass prodigy. The jewelry glass market could be a big sector of his business in the future. We discussed making one big vase with various bands of texture rings and blobs of different patterns. So each vase would have a dozen + textures for a variety of shards. He said my needs would be inexpensive due to the way I need the colors laid on and the thin nature of the glass. No, not me, I would let him do the blowing and the master touch of laying/swirling the colors on. I saw what the students made, no thanks lol. You are just afraid of blowing I would think the scrap glass would keep you in stock for a while ? Is it is nephew that is doing the sculptures? Such talent there Matt does the welded sculptures. He has them all over the place. He buys his steel new and pays out the ear. He needs to go with me down to the industrial district and hustle steel piles in the back of the factories. There is tons of scrap steel just waiting for someone to haul it off. Amazing what people toss away. They had shut the facility down yesterday. The nephew was cleaning up and loading glass in the kilns so I helped him. So I got to see behind the scenes and he was anxious to show me. He is a cool kid. I noticed how simple their furnaces are to weld up. The controls were simple too. I could build a glass blowing furnace quite easily with steel laying around here. hmmm For blowing jewelry glass would be the most simple operation. And low skill. He showed me how to make frit the easy way - heating glass and chunking it in water. Colored glass bar stock costs $25 to 40 per pound ! I'll be fritting their trash glass ha. They can no longer frit the old glass because they had to change to a different glass and it is not compatible. They use about 3 to 4 tons of clear glass/year. I did pick up one of those blowing sticks and imagined blowing glass. hmmm again
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Post by fernwood on Mar 3, 2018 6:53:41 GMT -5
I tried blowing glass once. Very small scale. Made a pendant size bottle and applied what they called hair glass to it. Very low melting temp for this glass, as the blowing rods were small. It was fun.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 3, 2018 8:25:07 GMT -5
I tried blowing glass once. Very small scale. Made a pendant size bottle and applied what they called hair glass to it. Very low melting temp for this glass, as the blowing rods were small. It was fun. I remember watching Herb Albert's cheeks as a kid when playing the trumpet. Like balloons. Seems like a small scale start is the way to go. The glass blower's said big heavy vases are a physical challenge due to the weight on the end of that stick. They keep the glass at 2000 to 2200F. Hot enough that it changes the fusing properties of it to some degree. I have to hit it with more heat to blob it than the original specs. Looks like prime jewelry glass will be done by adding the frit after the vase has been blown to full size to avoid stretching the frit. And kept thin so a window can be fused over it without making it so thick. That way closer detail can be accomplished. I sit and watch them hours at a time. Need to know how they accomplish their color effects. They work like ants and have superior team work, instinctual. Since there has been a decline in vase demand this man makes lighting pendant shades. He has a long list of orders on a wire like a short order cook. Shades call for a whole different scheme so they will pass light well.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 3, 2018 8:32:49 GMT -5
You are just afraid of blowing I would think the scrap glass would keep you in stock for a while ? Is it is nephew that is doing the sculptures? Such talent there Matt does the welded sculptures. He has them all over the place. He buys his steel new and pays out the ear. He needs to go with me down to the industrial district and hustle steel piles in the back of the factories. There is tons of scrap steel just waiting for someone to haul it off. Amazing what people toss away. They had shut the facility down yesterday. The nephew was cleaning up and loading glass in the kilns so I helped him. So I got to see behind the scenes and he was anxious to show me. He is a cool kid. I noticed how simple their furnaces are to weld up. The controls were simple too. I could build a glass blowing furnace quite easily with steel laying around here. hmmm For blowing jewelry glass would be the most simple operation. And low skill. He showed me how to make frit the easy way - heating glass and chunking it in water. Colored glass bar stock costs $25 to 40 per pound ! I'll be fritting their trash glass ha. They can no longer frit the old glass because they had to change to a different glass and it is not compatible. They use about 3 to 4 tons of clear glass/year. I did pick up one of those blowing sticks and imagined blowing glass. hmmm again You have to admit your curious about trying it I'm the type that says why not try something once?Doesn't matter if I'll suck at it, at east I tried. Gives me appreciation for those who do it well Plus ya may just love it We get to live every day, might as well add some variety and fun. Next time ask them if you can try to blow some glass.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 3, 2018 8:50:07 GMT -5
Matt does the welded sculptures. He has them all over the place. He buys his steel new and pays out the ear. He needs to go with me down to the industrial district and hustle steel piles in the back of the factories. There is tons of scrap steel just waiting for someone to haul it off. Amazing what people toss away. They had shut the facility down yesterday. The nephew was cleaning up and loading glass in the kilns so I helped him. So I got to see behind the scenes and he was anxious to show me. He is a cool kid. I noticed how simple their furnaces are to weld up. The controls were simple too. I could build a glass blowing furnace quite easily with steel laying around here. hmmm For blowing jewelry glass would be the most simple operation. And low skill. He showed me how to make frit the easy way - heating glass and chunking it in water. Colored glass bar stock costs $25 to 40 per pound ! I'll be fritting their trash glass ha. They can no longer frit the old glass because they had to change to a different glass and it is not compatible. They use about 3 to 4 tons of clear glass/year. I did pick up one of those blowing sticks and imagined blowing glass. hmmm again You have to admit your curious about trying it I'm the type that says why not try something once?Doesn't matter if I'll suck at it, at east I tried. Gives me appreciation for those who do it well Plus ya may just love it We get to live every day, might as well add some variety and fun. Next time ask them if you can try to blow some glass. Any body ever mention the word persistent to you ? Gracious woman. They call it a dripping faucet down in the south. You stand correct though. I thought about asking them for a no pay job for an internship. Or am very tempted to build a furnace...
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