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Post by parfive on Nov 27, 2022 3:15:25 GMT -5
Across America, 15 million acres of state and federal land lies surrounded by private land, with no legal entry by road or trail. Most can be found scattered across the West, moated by ranches and corporate holdings. Such “landlocked land,” if it were one contiguous piece, would form the largest national park in the country, an area nearly the size of Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut.
It’s Public Land. But the Public Can’t Reach It. A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property has supercharged the question of who gets to go where.
www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/business/hunting-wyoming-elk-mountain-access.html
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Post by realrockhound on Nov 27, 2022 3:41:10 GMT -5
I complain about this regularly. Lots of prime rockhounding land that I can’t access all around me.
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Post by herb on Nov 27, 2022 10:19:04 GMT -5
I complain about this regularly. Lots of prime rockhounding land that I can’t access all around me. Sounds like a good excuse to buy a small helicopter!
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Post by hoolligan1938 on Nov 27, 2022 17:55:43 GMT -5
I don't know what states your talking about but I do know that SOME government entities require the private property owner to allow access to the government land. Many property owners play dumb to this law so they can keep anyone from entering their land. You might want to check with your states Fish and Game Dept. or Wildlife Department to see if they know of any of these laws for your state. You can also try to contact the Federal Interior Dept. for their view of your situation. Federal land belongs to all of us and I don't think any land owner can legally keep you from accessing it. Could be very legally tied up with no one department wanting to go to the trouble of making all property owners comply. Might be a LONG drawn out legal fight with a lot of expense attached. If all else fails, contact your congressman and senator and see if you can get a response. Don't know if this will help you, but I'm sure there is a way for the public to "get there from here". Ask all you contact how the Federal Government gets access to the land in question. If they can get there, so can you!
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 27, 2022 23:13:30 GMT -5
Perhaps the problem is that government has been allowed to own land other than basic government buildings and military bases. Yeah I know knife/nose/spiteface... But it's true...
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Post by susand24224 on Nov 28, 2022 17:19:22 GMT -5
Perhaps the problem is that government has been allowed to own land other than basic government buildings and military bases. Yeah I know knife/nose/spiteface... But it's true... There are a variety of reasons for this at the federal level, I can't speak to individual states. Land is occasionally purchased to facilitate concerns other than those of humans, such as wetland protection, Endangered Species Act, Migratory Birds, etc. Also, there have been occasions in the past (don't want to get political here) where portions of federal land were sold the private landowners, thus privatizing previously-held federal property. In general, the federal land sale includes an easement, some permanent, some not. The terms of the easement vary.
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Post by parfive on Jun 26, 2024 1:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 26, 2024 4:40:41 GMT -5
Nevada passed a law several years ago which prohibits blocking of access to BLM lands even if that means crossing private property to gain access.
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Post by orneryboi on Jun 26, 2024 8:21:30 GMT -5
I got OnX this spring, first place I used it was Rome, OR. Found that the spot we've always gone to (on the old rockhounding maps) is on private property and all the land out there is, indeed, checkerboarded!?! Didn't know that was even a thing until then. I was quickly reminded that ignorance is bliss (which is only 3 hours from Rome;)
For what it's worth, I made the mistake of buying OnX Hunt whereas they have other apps like OnX Offroad or Trails... would have been more applicable for me as I traded wild game for hunting rocks and mushrooms a few years back. Hopefully they'll roll out OnX Rockhounding by the time I renew next year.
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Post by realrockhound on Jun 26, 2024 13:04:00 GMT -5
I got OnX this spring, first place I used it was Rome, OR. Found that the spot we've always gone to (on the old rockhounding maps) is on private property and all the land out there is, indeed, checkerboarded!?! Didn't know that was even a thing until then. I was quickly reminded that ignorance is bliss (which is only 3 hours from Rome;) For what it's worth, I made the mistake of buying OnX Hunt whereas they have other apps like OnX Offroad or Trails... would have been more applicable for me as I traded wild game for hunting rocks and mushrooms a few years back. Hopefully they'll roll out OnX Rockhounding by the time I renew next year. I use onx as well. It’s great. But a double edge sword. As more people become aware of its use for rockhounding purposes, the more people start encroaching on my spots they didn’t know they had access to prior. Part of the reason I’ve went another route and started networking and getting in on private land.
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Post by orneryboi on Jun 26, 2024 15:01:44 GMT -5
I got OnX this spring, first place I used it was Rome, OR. Found that the spot we've always gone to (on the old rockhounding maps) is on private property and all the land out there is, indeed, checkerboarded!?! Didn't know that was even a thing until then. I was quickly reminded that ignorance is bliss (which is only 3 hours from Rome;) For what it's worth, I made the mistake of buying OnX Hunt whereas they have other apps like OnX Offroad or Trails... would have been more applicable for me as I traded wild game for hunting rocks and mushrooms a few years back. Hopefully they'll roll out OnX Rockhounding by the time I renew next year. I use onx as well. It’s great. But a double edge sword. As more people become aware of its use for rockhounding purposes, the more people start encroaching on my spots they didn’t know they had access to prior. Part of the reason I’ve went another route and started networking and getting in on private land. Reminds me of how google maps has impacted local hotsprings destinations.. the secrets are getting out..
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Post by realrockhound on Jun 26, 2024 15:53:10 GMT -5
I use onx as well. It’s great. But a double edge sword. As more people become aware of its use for rockhounding purposes, the more people start encroaching on my spots they didn’t know they had access to prior. Part of the reason I’ve went another route and started networking and getting in on private land. Reminds me of how google maps has impacted local hotsprings destinations.. the secrets are getting out.. I shouldn’t be so cynical about it. Not like I own the land or the rocks. However…. I’m extremely piratical when it comes to my spots.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 26, 2024 16:40:02 GMT -5
Holy resurrected thread... One thing I heard from a YouTube lawyer I watch is that there is a court decision that states that if property is purchased that includes any previously used route into public land, that if there is not another way in, that road or path is an easement. Nice loophole is that it applies to the public, but under 4th and 5th amendment protection the owner may prohibit government from crossing the property.
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Post by wargrafix on Jun 26, 2024 17:26:43 GMT -5
I complain about this regularly. Lots of prime rockhounding land that I can’t access all around me. There is a boundary of wealth and greed. Many land owners cross that limit
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Post by realrockhound on Jun 26, 2024 17:29:04 GMT -5
I complain about this regularly. Lots of prime rockhounding land that I can’t access all around me. There is a boundary of wealth and greed. Many land owners cross that limit Ive found loopholes to access points. And have encountered conjoining land owners confronting me. Act like it’s their land even though it’s blm
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