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Post by superioragates on May 4, 2010 12:24:33 GMT -5
OK, so I advertise on a site....and someone sent me a message stating that my wrapping style was the 'pretson reuther" style.....whom I have never even heard of...hmm... So I went to check out his website, just to see if somehow I had been copying someones work, and didn't realize it. I think the only thing that is the same from my usual wraps and his, is the fact that I make my swirls with more than 1 wire. I also don't think I even come close to comparing to his stuff, but, I tried his style on a couple to see if I could do it. First I did this moss agate cab, in brass wire  Then I did this Laker in Sterling  How'd "I" do on these? eh...spose it's somethin different, huh? Thanks for lookin! Marie |
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Geo-Ing Crazy
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Post by Geo-Ing Crazy on May 4, 2010 12:45:04 GMT -5
Marie - those are beautiful, as ALWAYS! Now I guess I gotta go look at the other guy's site?
Barb
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Post by NDK on May 4, 2010 13:37:32 GMT -5
Very nice Marie. I can see similarities, but differences form your "normal" too.
Nate
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gemhunter
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Post by gemhunter on May 4, 2010 13:47:57 GMT -5
 Those do look like Preston's work. He was the first person I found wrapping and now he has his own site again since leaving wire sculpture.com. The lady that has that site now has a very good book out. But I have seen some of your other stuff you posted and I don't think it looks like Preston's.  I like your wraps. Ed
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gemhunter
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Post by gemhunter on May 4, 2010 13:51:00 GMT -5
Sorry, one more thing. I think Preston covers up his stones way too much. Take a look at wire sculpture.com, I think Dale "Cougar" Armstrong has a cleaner style. Ed
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Post by superioragates on May 4, 2010 14:02:47 GMT -5
When I first got the message from this person...whom I don't know either...I decided immediately to make sure I wasn't "copying" someone...I wouldn't have known it even, but I sure don't want someone yelling at me for not having my "own" style to use. I thought what I was doin WAS my own....These 2 ARE a bit of copying of his work...cept I like to show the stones as much as possible...so I tweeked them a bit to do so.
I have flipped through a LOT of his work over the last few days, and I really like what he does...except covering of the stones....so may incorporate a little bit here & there in to my wraps once in awhile.
Gemhunter - I order my wire from wire-scuplture, and have seen some of the stuff there...I don't spend a lot of time looking, just because I don't want someone coming along sometime saying I "copied" their work. I also do not own a single book, tape, or dvd....
Thanks to Randy I learned the basics of wrapping!!
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Post by Bikerrandy on May 4, 2010 16:22:51 GMT -5
Marie- the biggest difference between your work and Prestons (besides the fact that he learned to wrap while in prison) is that the swirls on his wraps are what holds the stone into place. There are no binding wraps on his work. His wraps start with four wires, two crossing the other two in the back of the cab and from there it's all swirls. Your stuff is clearly different to someone that actually knows what they're looking at. BTW, those wraps are awesome!! |
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Post by frane on May 4, 2010 19:07:15 GMT -5
Cool wraps! I especially like the second one!
Fran
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Post by tkrueger3 on May 4, 2010 21:23:14 GMT -5
Shoot, I figure I'm copying someone every time I do a wrap - Randy! I start every one of them like, or close to, Randy's tutorial.
So shoot me! ;D
Tom
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Post by superioragates on May 4, 2010 22:12:37 GMT -5
Whew! Thanks you guys! I have thought about this a lot since I got that message...made me feel like complete crap at first, ya know? I thought..ok...so my wraps are a "copy" of someone else' work...yay...just when I thought I was being at least a little original....LOL....but then I thought, ya know, if no one wanted their stuff copied, they wouldn't put it out there for people to see in the first place, or they would copyright it, make it so you couldn't copy it. But....people seem to be liking them, and buying my stuff, so I must be doing ok.....right? That's the way I have to look at it anyways....otherwise I would get down about it, and not get back up.
Well...thanks again everyone! I appreciate it....and I am relieved....
Marie
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Post by drocknut on May 4, 2010 22:23:12 GMT -5
Tom, I'm the same as you, I think I'm copying every time I do a wrap too. Don't think I have my own style as such. Sure seems like people get a little too protective of their "styles" when wrapping. There are only so many things you can do with wires although Marie challenges my thinking on that one all the time  Yep, Marie, you did it again. Those are all beautiful. I like the second one best. I've never heard of pretson reuther either. I have looked at other people's wraps before but most times think they are too elaborate for my taste. I admit to getting ideas from other people (like Marie) but I wouldn't copy a wrap mostly because I can't even figure out how they did them anyway Every wrap is different, either the stone or the wire or both. I wouldn't accuse a person of copying my way of walking any more than accusing someone of "stealing" my wrapping style. To those people I say :-P Ok, off my soap box now.  Back to your regularly scheduled post...lol. |
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Post by gemhunter on May 5, 2010 9:29:52 GMT -5
before i found this site I ordered the basic wrap kit, or my wife did for my birthday. So I have a couple of videos from Preston. As I read that you are buying wire from wire sculpture, I checked on a tip from Randy and found that Rio Grande offers better prices, even with the Gold Club discount. They sell by the troy ounce, so I thought it would be more expensive. But one troy ounce is about 22ft in gold, 21ga and 22ga. You can buy 11ft, that is as little as you can order, for about $24. Ed
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Larry
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Post by Larry on May 5, 2010 12:11:25 GMT -5
I'm glad it's not bothering you anymore. I agree your style is different but even if it wasn't, it wouldn't matter. Even if you had heard of the guy, drawing inspiration from somebody is fine. That's what the arts are all about... well that and art I suppose. I had more to say but it was all over the place so nevermind One last thing for Marie... I'm amazed at watching you transform from somebody that enjoyed wandering around the rock piles picking up rocks to a pretty pro wrapper in a short amount of time. Fantastic job! |
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Post by Don on May 5, 2010 12:23:02 GMT -5
personally, I think the whole "you're stealing my wrapping style" thing is a laugh. Every artist is unique, every stone is different. Patterns and techniques are the basic foundations of an art form. You can't patent a style. Every artist takes what they learn and makes it their own.
Marie, your wraps are terrific.
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Post by NatureNut on May 5, 2010 13:49:25 GMT -5
You did a great job with these Marie. Just my :2cents: here... Preston Reuther has put out tutorials on DVD, so there is an implied permission to copy his style. I think someone might be challenging if you stated that your work is original.... which it is. I've heard this argument numerous times, including Adrian's use of the groove wrap, which was previously used by someone else. My understanding is that if you do what someone else did, and change one thing, then it is now your creation, with inspiration from ______. Wire wrapping has been around so long that nothing is really new anymore. Someone has undoubtedly done it before somewhere, sometime. We are all kind of in a bubble on this board, where we share ideas freely and openly, while supporting eachother's efforts... not always the case in the real world. God bless the person who wrote you... did you reply yet? May I make the suggestion of saying something along the lines of: "Thank you for the compliment. I looked up Mr. Reuther's work for the first time and am honored you should think so, however, on the contrary, my inspiration came from the world-renowned wire wrapper, BikerRandy." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by superioragates on May 5, 2010 15:07:16 GMT -5
Nature - actually I did write this person back, but what I said was " forgive me for sounding stupid, but who is preston reuther?" they replied with a link to his site...so I went to it...and haven't bothered to reply again. Because I tend to get snippy when confronted in the beginning, I decided better to leave well enuff alone, and not worry about what this one person thinks. ( I have leaarned over the years through different experiences...my mouth shut is better than open) It's better to just leave it alone, and forget about it...I just really wanted you guys' opinion, since this is where I learned what I know to date.... I truthfully almost cried when I got that message, but my normal response to hurt feelings is to be snippy....so-ooooo.... I think I will just copy & paste what you have there....with your permission to copy  and send that to them! hahaha! Thanks everyone...I really appreciate all the input.... Marie |
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Post by NatureNut on May 5, 2010 15:20:12 GMT -5
Permission granted (of course). P.S. Don't be surprised if they ask you who the heck this BikerRandy guy is... LOL We tend to personalize things when we are dealing with things we are passionate about. It's the nature of the beast when creating art pieces from the heart. Smart to wait and not react with your initial impulses, and to ask for the opinion of fresh eyes. Helps to see things more clearly. |
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Post by waxman on May 5, 2010 18:02:48 GMT -5
G'day Marie,
I thought I would give you a bit of back up on this one, over the years I have found that people who criticize other people's work are usually not good at what they do or can't do what they are criticizing, I have watched your progress with interest and you have come a long way in a short period of time.
Most of my work is lost wax casting, which is basically a copy of an original, most jewelery in retail shops is made by this method.
Back to your subject, just ignore this person, they are not worth the effort of sending a reply. Keep up the good work and ignore any further emails from this person or any similar ones, some people get satisfaction from doing this sort of thing.
Waxman
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Post by NatureNut on May 5, 2010 18:16:40 GMT -5
Well said Mr. Waxman.
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Post by Bejewelme on May 5, 2010 19:16:28 GMT -5
Marie:
How many ways can you wrap a stone? For goodness sake I never heard of this guy but watching your progession from beginner to pro I know was a result of knowledge you gained here, from all these fabulous wrappers, its like how many ways can you cab? Everyone gets their own groove and you should be extremely proud of yourself! Delete and forget it!
Amber
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Those do look like Preston's work. He was the first person I found wrapping and now he has his own site again since leaving wire sculpture.com. The lady that has that site now has a very good book out.
I like your wraps.
and send that to them! hahaha!
