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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 4, 2014 7:37:27 GMT -5
Nope, never have. They are along the back fenceline, and not quite visible from the street. However the neighbor right behind me can see them. Well if I ever come home someday and someone has whacked them all down and hauled them off - hundreds of lbs. worth and spiny - I'll know why they wanted them. I've even put four foot lengths of them out at the curb with a 'free' sign on them on occasion. A well hydrated, 5" diameter by 4 or 5 foot long piece can weigh quite a bit, 40 lbs maybe?
I think the name of the plant on little shop of horrors was Audrey. Seymour was the role played by Rick Moranis.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 4, 2014 8:35:13 GMT -5
Yep. You are correct Jean. Audrey was the planta.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 4, 2014 8:58:55 GMT -5
This time every year i break down intentionally pot bound water lilies and divide the rhizomes for next year. About 1200 small rhizomes each February. This is a popular vintage red water lily bred by the mysterious french lily breeder Marliac about 1800. I purchased this stock about 15 years ago from Shady Lakes Water Gardens in New Mexico. The rhizomes are full of color and it is a beautiful strain of Attraction.  It produced about 12 rhizomes after dividing at the 'warm' kitchen table.  Then i will do a mass planting of these babies in small pots till they root  Once rooted in about 50 days they get transferred into 4 inch pots and grown out for a year as liners for final 8 inch pots.  Then placed in the grow out pans where they will be transferred to the full size pot  Planted crop(dormant) ready for sale about mid March  |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 4, 2014 10:59:36 GMT -5
That's where all the work comes in, it's not the amount of care needed once you've done all that, they pretty much take care of themselves after that.
So dividing rhizomes in Feb, and ready March the following year. Over a year's commitment... You've got to quit giving things away, James.
I used to have a white water lily in my small pond. Don't know what kind it was, as it was given to me by a friend. 
Photos taken July 2002. Still have a small pond, but the water lilies are long gone. 
Here's huge leafed water lily at Huntington Gardens. This was in the hot/humid building I mentioned in earlier post. 
Spikes on sepals and underside of leaves, probably to keep them from being eaten? Or to protect from the likes of jamesp ? Or maybe to help stabilize in the water? IDK. 
For scale, see boy standing at rail in upper left. 
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Post by jamesp on Mar 4, 2014 11:39:18 GMT -5
I would bet that is Charlene Strawn. Bred by Curt Strawn close to Snuffy in at Strawn Water Gardens, College Station Texas. One of my best sellers. Your's looks very healthy. Just divided another 100 or so. And a 100 yesterday. A mail order company's description www.botanicaaquatica.com/html/charlene_strawn.htmlJamesp photo(almost as good as Jean's)  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 16:43:48 GMT -5
Lilypads - meh. I want carbivores! Like Huge nepenthes  |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 4, 2014 19:19:16 GMT -5
The lilies pay the bills. I prefer the carnivores though. You guys may be able to grow nepenthes,
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 4, 2014 22:01:56 GMT -5
I would bet that is Charlene Strawn. Bred by Curt Strawn close to Snuffy in at Strawn Water Gardens, College Station Texas. One of my best sellers. Your's looks very healthy. Just divided another 100 or so. And a 100 yesterday. A mail order company's description www.botanicaaquatica.com/html/charlene_strawn.htmlJamesp photo(almost as good as Jean's) Mine was very healthy when the photo was taken, but since then I have kilt it it died. Don't remember what happened to it. No James, your photo is MUCH better than mine. And it does look like the same species.
Lilypads - meh. I want carbivores! Like Huge nepenthes The lilies pay the bills. I prefer the carnivores though. You guys may be able to grow nepenthes, My sister's neighbor has some of those - well, maybe not that exact species, but the same type. They do very well there, it's less than ten miles from here. I'll have to take a camera and get a pic next time I visit. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 22:05:06 GMT -5
I know I could with the plastic hut like yours. If I made one of those I'd be all over the frogs. BUt can have a decorative crop of nepenthese, orchids... I could make these by the thousand for almost no cost. $10ea wholesale I could grow $20K/yr in a couple hours a week. I need five or six businesses like that!  |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 5, 2014 2:08:32 GMT -5
I wish i had a heat source. A 12 acre greenhouse in Canada is heated by adjacent nuclear plant waste steam. Growing tomatoes. In Iceland geothermal water-oh yea.
I would be nervous to walk into any greenhouse you own Scott. I know you would have critters that need feeding.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 5, 2014 10:00:22 GMT -5
Oh, you mean like reptiles and such... Yeah, Scott would probably find some type of bitey thing to put in there. |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 5, 2014 12:48:07 GMT -5
If it don't have teeth,poison,stingers, devoureres, carnivorous intentions and strong jaws it will not fit in Scott's bailiwick. Tell it Jean.
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Post by droseraguy on Mar 5, 2014 16:37:50 GMT -5
Where were you when I was trying to trade my whole collection for rocks n stuff Scott ! I did manage to get alot of neat stuff from NC, one of the mines and some cash. I grew my avatar from a seed. Little bugger. Nepenthes splendiana x mixta that I got from a guy in Hawaii. Stick with rocks they are less demanding and they don't care when you ignore them unless you've got a setup like James. If you are interested in some more plants PM me and I will track down the CA guys near you. One guy from Morgan Hill, Phil, bred the famous now, Reptilian Rose, Sarr. Not as famous as Brooks - Leah but I think we need to revisit royalties owed to James on that one. The guy has been cleaning up ever since. Wait I thought this was a rock board ? If you want to look at my collection before the house cleaning check out my photobucket. droseraguy is the name
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 20:03:27 GMT -5
Oh, you mean like reptiles and such... Yeah, Scott would probably find some type of bitey thing to put in there. Naw, if I was gonna make a greenhouse I would fill it with frogs. Aside from insects frogs are, day in and day out, the most profitable herptile. Some of them make 20,000 babies a year and can sell for $5! But to do that you need infrastructure. One would need a facility raising insects to feed the hoards of babies. Doable, but not on the super cheap. The redeye above can make the babies with no outside food production. All insects grown in the greenhouse. Great for the carnivores too! But I ain't gonna make a greenhouse. Maybe I should look into doing a 20ft section of one of Jim's 100X40 footers. 20X40 works! lol |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 5, 2014 20:30:07 GMT -5
Greenhouses can be monsters. Too hot too humid too many bugs too much fungus too many weeds. They are not w/out maintenance. Disease, fungus and bugs can give you a fight.
Aquatic/carnivorous are about the best thing to put in a green house since the thrive in such conditions. Plant crops like poinsettia can be destroyed be a spot that drips. It may start
a fungus and tear thru the whole crop. Humidity loving plants/animals are best.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 5, 2014 22:31:25 GMT -5
Yeah, frogs are cool. We had some in an 86 gallon tank with a lot of plants, they were a lot of work. And once some type of bacteria or fungus got in there, it pretty much took them all.  I used to like listening to them croak make noise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 19:57:31 GMT -5
out doors in a greenhouse frogs thrive. Put out a bucket of rotten fruits for the babies and a gloppy mix of rabbit food and chicken feed in another bucket for the flies. It's OK to add calcium to the mixtures to maximize the ash content of bone free insects. Frogs need to grow bones!
a third bucket with dog food and add some cockroaches.
perhaps a fourth bucket full of chicken food for crickets. The place can/will be overrun with insects. Good for both carnivores and frogs!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 6, 2014 23:10:55 GMT -5
Yesterday it hit 74F and the gnats were swarming. Check out the blind mosquito(really a midge). They 'arrive' at Lake George about 3 times a year. Nothing like it. Sounds like a B-52 bomber flying over at 5000 feet. I have had to remove 'drifts' of them like snow after they die. Smells like rotting flesh. Most of the damage is from the spider webs. They feed on them. If you leave a car window down 1 inch over night you will be sorry due to massive spider web construction. www.lakecountyfl.gov/pdfs/Public_Works/mosquito_and_aquatic_plants/aquatic_midges.pdf |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 12, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -5
out doors in a greenhouse frogs thrive. Put out a bucket of rotten fruits for the babies and a gloppy mix of rabbit food and chicken feed in another bucket for the flies. It's OK to add calcium to the mixtures to maximize the ash content of bone free insects. Frogs need to grow bones! a third bucket with dog food and add some cockroaches. perhaps a fourth bucket full of chicken food for crickets. The place can/will be overrun with insects. Good for both carnivores and frogs! I'm thinking if I did all that, I would have to be crazy!!! Who would want to attract cockroaches? I think I'll be able to keep up with the pitcher plants (no, I don't mean doing any pre-chewing!), feeding flies and bees. Got a bee on the inside of the window not two feet from me as I type this! But anyway.
Here's an update. My pot is on the south side of the garage, a couple inches from the wall. It is absorbing heat from both the pavers it is sitting on, and also the south facing wall of the garage. It is easily 10 degrees hotter than three feet away from the wall. It is also getting additional light reflected off the (peach-ish) colored wall. There are no trees to the south to block the sunlight, but there is an avo tree in the neighbor's yard to the east that blocks the very first light of the day. Two of the plants seem to be thriving, are sending anchoring roots down into the peat. The other two, while, alive, are not doing much yet. I checked them today, they are not planted too deep, not rotting. But I think they are just not as old as the two that have the flower buds.
I've had to add, probably a quart a day on average, depending on the temperature. I have put sphagnum moss on top of the peat moss, and the peat is staying moist. I didn't think it would on the hotter days, but so far, so good.
James, re., your idea of a 50 foot long by 4 foot wide trench with a liner and filled with peat to place plants. You are accustomed to your large chunk of GA terra firma. In CA, most pieces of property do not have even one dimension of the lot that is over 50 feet. My piece of ground is about 1/5 of an acre, and fairly level north to south, with about 100 feet of frontage on the street. But then, you have to consider the shade the house throws, both in the morning and afternoon. South side of the house is where my garden is, gets the full sun. I reckon this will work for me well the way I have it. Not a problem to add a little water while I am watering the garden.
Here's some pics: This is the largest and tallest bud. It's the size of a marble, and about four or five inches off the ground. 
This one is a little smaller, the size of a large pea, and on maybe a two inch stalk. 
This is the iris 
Scott, Pat, how are your lovely pitcher plants doing?
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2014 16:31:56 GMT -5
The blooms you posted are the blooms for these plants Jean. The seed is salt grain size and coats the ball on the inside of the flower. It is fairly easy to germinate.
Those plants are advanced. The heat and sun is doing the trick.
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I used to like listening to them 
