jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 6:32:23 GMT -5
Dropped the Go Devil into Lake Rodman and scooted over to the next point in the lake. A point that I once owned and since sold. The old timer told me there is a spring in the bottom of the dammed lake just 100 yards out, no longer exposed since covered with water since 1970. The spring a source of fresh water so the dense artifact occurrence. A small clay mound just 100 yards west also out in lake. Also with a small spring in it. Must back truck way out in sand bottom lake. Left it in 2 wheel drive and did fine.  Short ride over to Native camp    High hills for Florida  Secret spot. Have found over 50 points in this 50 foot section of shore. Lake at full pool, trees since 1970. Sugar sand bottom. Virtually no rocks other that those imported by man. Swim 70 yards out and dive down you will find a 10 inch hole spitting out about 1000 gallons per minute.  Tool of destruction, sand probe. Designed for working around roots. Probes very rusted, made note of increased production. Rough surface on probes really made chert generate more sound. Artifacts washing out of bank and getting trapped in tree roots.  2 hours later   after cleaning  Bird/small point of coral, probably from 100 miles away. Others of chert from 30 miles away.  |
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Post by orrum on Aug 23, 2016 7:11:30 GMT -5
Now that's a very interesting method and really nice artifacs!
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 7:40:39 GMT -5
Now that's a very interesting method and really nice artifacs! Floridians been using probe for 100 years. Shores wash away and leave artifacts sitting there. thousands of cubic yards of sand removed off of them by water action. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 7:45:02 GMT -5
The point the boat was launched at is two flat mounds under lake.
Spears from that spot sold underworld market for many thousands dollars. Hillsbouroughs
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 7:49:23 GMT -5
Mostly coral Hillsboroughs. Named after the coral rich county near Tampa Florida. Very thin and superb work/material orrum. Not mine  |
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Post by fernwood on Aug 23, 2016 7:56:30 GMT -5
Very nice set up you have.
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 23, 2016 8:53:58 GMT -5
Now that's a hounding tool! Nice haul too James!!
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Post by Garage Rocker on Aug 23, 2016 11:55:10 GMT -5
Many old timers around here use the same technique to find agate in the creeks. Makes a higher pitch than anything else in there.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 12:58:29 GMT -5
Now that's a hounding tool! Nice haul too James!! Come see me Michael. There is about a half acre of the most beautiful wood floated up from the peat. Just next to this spot. snorkel under water and it is a ceiling floating. About twice a day I hear a God awful racket. Gator catching a bird working bugs in the floating wood, ambushed from below. bird squawking his last noise, very violent. There has been a jet black 9 footer working that wood pile for years. he was sunning himself on a cold February one day. Me looking at ground for wood and artifacts. He did not want to enter the cold water so he threatened me by snapping. I had not seen him and walked within 3 feet of him. Total heart attack. Closest I ever came to getting taken by a gator. Had he gotten my leg and rolled it would have been my demise. So, if you visit we have to swim across under that floating log pile.... I have collected a lot of that wood and sold it for big money. In a wet suit in February when the gators are too cold to attack in the cold water. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 13:01:20 GMT -5
Many old timers around here use the same technique to find agate in the creeks. Makes a higher pitch than anything else in there. Trained ears eh ? Easy here, no competitive rocks to interfere. Each year I probe this bank I find 2-4 points quickly. It has been a regular stop for almost 10 years. No one knows about it. I would like to see a photo of their probe someday. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 13:04:57 GMT -5
I have short 'high speed' hand probes.
One in each hand. Only 5 probes each. Very thin wire so low resistance, but have to be straightened quite often when they hit a root or a solid.
5 inches wide, 12 inches long.
For wet soil or water up to 6 inches deep.
Very productive.
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 23, 2016 13:41:12 GMT -5
Now that's a hounding tool! Nice haul too James!! Come see me Michael. There is about a half acre of the most beautiful wood floated up from the peat. Just next to this spot. snorkel under water and it is a ceiling floating. About twice a day I hear a God awful racket. Gator catching a bird working bugs in the floating wood, ambushed from below. bird squawking his last noise, very violent. There has been a jet black 9 footer working that wood pile for years. he was sunning himself on a cold February one day. Me looking at ground for wood and artifacts. He did not want to enter the cold water so he threatened me by snapping. I had not seen him and walked within 3 feet of him. Total heart attack. Closest I ever came to getting taken by a gator. Had he gotten my leg and rolled it would have been my demise. So, if you visit we have to swim across under that floating log pile.... I have collected a lot of that wood and sold it for big money. In a wet suit in February when the gators are too cold to attack in the cold water. The pay attention hounding! About like the "Rattlers" in Montana,when I'm fossil hounding... PS: I don't do water,hate it! Fell through the ice in Montana,on the Musselshell River (10 years old)...Was under for a bit,but the currents pulled me back to the hole,I fell through..Brothers pulled me out and up! Hell of a feeling and site!!! Sounds like some beautiful wood though..... |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 14:13:51 GMT -5
Curiosity gets me in the water. Not that I always like it.
But it reduces the amount of collectors and yields better than dry land.
The critters always make me nervous.
If I step on a flounder or ray out in the lake i scream like a little girl lol.
Does not take but one episode like our experience to make you respect water.
Remaining conscious is a big deal in water. If you faint for 5 minutes in 12 inches of water you can drown very easy.
Silent killer, lots drown for ridiculous reasons, much less falling thru ice which sounds like the worst nightmare.
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Post by jcinpc on Aug 23, 2016 17:19:55 GMT -5
Mostly coral Hillsboroughs. Named after the coral rich county near Tampa Florida. Very thin and superb work/material orrum. Not mine that frame.those points were my buddy and neighbor who lives behind me, rick, he has since sold to the rich guy in Ocala that was buying up all the bigger collections in Florida after our big bust a few years ago |
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Post by radio on Aug 23, 2016 17:40:01 GMT -5
Mostly coral Hillsboroughs. Named after the coral rich county near Tampa Florida. Very thin and superb work/material orrum . Not mine  Incredible points in that display, and the colors are unreal! |
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Post by Sabre52 on Aug 23, 2016 17:58:08 GMT -5
Very nice finds. never tried that kind of hunting. The wife and I used to hunt the south shore of Clear Lake in Commiefornia and would use a three pronged cultivator to scratch through the sand and gravel to bedrock which was kind of ripply. The low spots in the bedrock would be all full of points dating back through several periods but of course undatable because of their situation. Mostly all obsidian. Best day we found upwards of forty. Used to be a lot of fun as no hiking. We'd use a boat. I'll have to post a pic of some of our finds sometime....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 19:11:37 GMT -5
Mostly coral Hillsboroughs. Named after the coral rich county near Tampa Florida. Very thin and superb work/material orrum. Not mine that frame.those points were my buddy and neighbor who lives behind me, rick, he has since sold to the rich guy in Ocala that was buying up all the bigger collections in Florida after our big bust a few years ago Lucky Jeff gets to play with all that Pasco County coral. Me jealous. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 19:13:03 GMT -5
Very nice finds. never tried that kind of hunting. The wife and I used to hunt the south shore of Clear Lake in Commiefornia and would use a three pronged cultivator to scratch through the sand and gravel to bedrock which was kind of ripply. The low spots in the bedrock would be all full of points dating back through several periods but of course undatable because of their situation. Mostly all obsidian. Best day we found upwards of forty. Used to be a lot of fun as no hiking. We'd use a boat. I'll have to post a pic of some of our finds sometime....Mel Please do, would love to see them. At that find rate you guys must have been pumped. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 19:14:02 GMT -5
Yes radio. Insane collection. |
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Post by quartz on Aug 24, 2016 0:11:21 GMT -5
That's sure a very different tool than we use, and obviously works well. Thanks for nice trip coverage.
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