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Post by jamesp on Jun 16, 2017 6:00:36 GMT -5
Large hatches of tadpoles here. Easy to catch, stay alive in a jar just fine. Noted the tropical fish becoming healthy with rich coloring. Guessing some of the hatches approach 5000. Many tropical fish are carnivorous. At least 4 mosquito larvae in the mix.  |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 16, 2017 6:03:06 GMT -5
Have to be careful feeding live foods to tropicals since you can transfer parasites. Same risk when people feed their fish like oscars live goldfish.
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Post by fantastic5 on Jun 16, 2017 7:13:20 GMT -5
My husband supplements his cichlids with feeder fish when we go on vacation. He overwhelms the tank with them and the smarter feeders can survive several days. This way the cichlids have a 'constant' food source in case the electric vacation feeder fails. But the last year we have been fighting a parasitic infection in the tank. Sunken belly. They get better with treatment, but then a few months later start to show symptoms again. He seems to think they came from some new fish we bought about the same time this started. But I wonder if it could have been the feeders?
But I bet our cichlids would love them some tadpoles!
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Post by 150FromFundy on Jun 16, 2017 15:57:26 GMT -5
Tadpoles are a protected species around here. We leave them in the ponds. Actually, anything that feeds on the annual plague of mosquitoes around here is a protected species.
On the other hand, I saw the movie FROGS as a young child. You could be on the right track.
Darryl.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 16:37:11 GMT -5
Have to be careful feeding live foods to tropicals since you can transfer parasites. Same risk when people feed their fish like oscars live goldfish. Meh What do you suppose the wild cousins of those fish are eating? Raise a fish in a bubble and he has no immune system, raise them with some adversity and his immune system is proper and protective. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 16:37:49 GMT -5
Large hatches of tadpoles here. Easy to catch, stay alive in a jar just fine. Noted the tropical fish becoming healthy with rich coloring. Guessing some of the hatches approach 5000. Many tropical fish are carnivorous. At least 4 mosquito larvae in the mix. Who is eating and colouring up? |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 16, 2017 17:40:00 GMT -5
My husband supplements his cichlids with feeder fish when we go on vacation. He overwhelms the tank with them and the smarter feeders can survive several days. This way the cichlids have a 'constant' food source in case the electric vacation feeder fails. But the last year we have been fighting a parasitic infection in the tank. Sunken belly. They get better with treatment, but then a few months later start to show symptoms again. He seems to think they came from some new fish we bought about the same time this started. But I wonder if it could have been the feeders? But I bet our cichlids would love them some tadpoles! Very likely the infection came from the feeders. |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 16, 2017 17:42:57 GMT -5
Have to be careful feeding live foods to tropicals since you can transfer parasites. Same risk when people feed their fish like oscars live goldfish. Meh What do you suppose the wild cousins of those fish are eating? Raise a fish in a bubble and he has no immune system, raise them with some adversity and his immune system is proper and protective. Look how many natives died from disease when the first Europeans arrived. Immunity can take time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 18:04:04 GMT -5
Meh What do you suppose the wild cousins of those fish are eating? Raise a fish in a bubble and he has no immune system, raise them with some adversity and his immune system is proper and protective. Look how many natives died from disease when the first Europeans arrived. Immunity can take time. Yes. It starts at hatching for most fish and reptiles. Birth for the rest. In humans it's generational due to the colostrum factor. Doesn't compare to fish at all. James I have 30 years hands on animal care and breeding business experience. I learn from you in human medicine. Thank you. |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 16, 2017 19:20:43 GMT -5
Look how many natives died from disease when the first Europeans arrived. Immunity can take time. Yes. It starts at hatching for most fish and reptiles. Birth for the rest. In humans it's generational due to the colostrum factor. Doesn't compare to fish at all. James I have 30 years hands on animal care and breeding business experience. I learn from you in human medicine. Thank you. I see you missed my point. Let's start by going back to your earlier comment where you said "Raise a fish in a bubble and he has no immune system, raise them with some adversity and his immune system is proper and protective". Although fish are not raised in a bubble, other than maybe some goldfish  , commercial pet fish are kept in a more sterile environment than wild fish. Therefore my analogy of the natives was valid as they were also exposed to some pathogens prior to the Europeans coming. But just like how the natives became sick with pathogens they had not been exposed to just like fish bred and raised in a captive environment can become ill from pathogens or parasites they have nor been exposed to in their life. And what do you mean by "generational due to the colostrum factor"? Colostrum is just a MINOR part of immunity and has nothing to do with immunity later on in life. In fact, antibodies from colostrum cannot even be absorbed orally after the age of 2 in humans. Getting back to my original point parasitical transmission to pet fish from feeders is a well known problem. So I stand by my original statement. Here is a link discussing this problem: www.firsttankguide.net/feederfish.php |
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Post by jamesp on Jun 16, 2017 19:28:34 GMT -5
Large hatches of tadpoles here. Easy to catch, stay alive in a jar just fine. Noted the tropical fish becoming healthy with rich coloring. Guessing some of the hatches approach 5000. Many tropical fish are carnivorous. At least 4 mosquito larvae in the mix. Who is eating and colouring up? Koi angelfish, ruby barbs, 4+ inch dennison barbs. 5 koi angels, 2 pairs each side, and an odd man in middle of tank. The koi angels acting as if ingested aphrodisiac. Poor odd man, they take him as a threat, even if he sticks his face in hole. Tadpoles rampant here. Many water holding tanks and many dragon flies/bats. Mosquitos about nil. Those tadpoles grow in clean water. They must have a food sack. Stay alive for weeks. Great food if they are free of buggars. Mass supply of frogs is probably the cause of rapid growth of bass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 19:35:49 GMT -5
Yes. It starts at hatching for most fish and reptiles. Birth for the rest. In humans it's generational due to the colostrum factor. Doesn't compare to fish at all. James I have 30 years hands on animal care and breeding business experience. I learn from you in human medicine. Thank you. I see you missed my point. Let's start by going back to your earlier comment where you said "Raise a fish in a bubble and he has no immune system, raise them with some adversity and his immune system is proper and protective". Although fish are not raised in a bubble, other than maybe some goldfish , commercial pet fish are kept in a more sterile environment than wild fish. Therefore my analogy of the natives was valid as they were also exposed to some pathogens prior to the Europeans coming. But just like how the natives became sick with pathogens they had not been exposed to just like fish bred and raised in a captive environment can become ill from pathogens or parasites they have nor been exposed to in their life. And what do you mean by "generational due to the colostrum factor"? Colostrum is just a MINOR part of immunity and has nothing to do with immunity later on in life. In fact, antibodies from colostrum cannot even be absorbed orally after the age of 2 in humans. Getting back to my original point parasitical transmission to pet fish from feeders is a well known problem. So I stand by my original statement. Here is a link discussing this problem: www.firsttankguide.net/feederfish.phpYes. That is fine. "Well known" I know from decades of experience with this exact topic that feeding tadpoles to captive fish is a positive for the captive population. If fish are getting sick, the observers reporting such either raised them in a bubble and destroying the immunity or misinterpreted poor husbandry for parasites from tadpoles. And not just tadpoles. In many cases wild food is better than captive food like the goldfish you refer too! "Feeder goldfish" are not analogous to wild tadpoles and in fact are the most imhumanely and unethically raised animal in captive animal breeding I have ever seen. Goldfish are born in May. So "small" feeder goldfish in April are nearly a year old and the size of 3 week olds. Of course they will be sick and transmitting disease. Healthy wild tadpoles? You are right. Don't feed them to your fish. Can't go wrong I guess. ETA I didn't miss your point. I ignored it. This time I am the one with extensive hands on experience. Frantic animal keepers write all.kinds of things. They make up theories and misinterpret good and bad results all the time. Makes their successes in reproducible too often! |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 16, 2017 20:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 20:52:36 GMT -5
[Kidding] Because those particular researchers have never visited mine nor Jamesp collecting sites. [/Kidding] In the frog world human researchers are the vector. Google "Chytrid fungus researcher boots". Truthfully, because the odds of infected wild tadpoles is infinitesimally small. So small, it isn't worth even thinking about. Again, from decades of experience. And observations of literally thousands of kids raising tadpoles to frog in cages. From eggs/tadpoles I provided! It's like the fear tactics in the media regarding myriad of topics. You are overreacting to rare but publicised events. Look, it's perfectly ok to overreact and never feed a wild tadpoles. Specially in Canadia I see! You will hurt nothing but your self. (Respect always) |
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 16, 2017 21:20:10 GMT -5
As a Darwinian I say, feed the fish the tads.
We all take chances everyday. No guarantees.
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Post by spiceman on Jun 16, 2017 21:59:50 GMT -5
The aquarium setting is relaxing to the body a soul.
Growing up we had up to 5 aquariums in the house.
Tadpoles, free food. Somethings carry a risk but you have to try.
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 16, 2017 22:59:27 GMT -5
Who is eating and colouring up? Koi angelfish, ruby barbs, 4+ inch dennison barbs. 5 koi angels, 2 pairs each side, and an odd man in middle of tank. The koi angels acting as if ingested aphrodisiac. Poor odd man, they take him as a threat, even if he sticks his face in hole. Tadpoles rampant here. Many water holding tanks and many dragon flies/bats. Mosquitos about nil. Those tadpoles grow in clean water. They must have a food sack. Stay alive for weeks. Great food if they are free of buggars. Mass supply of frogs is probably the cause of rapid growth of bass. JAmes if you decide not to feed the tads to the fish.. I'll take them. They look like they would be yummy with Ramen.. grin. |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 17, 2017 0:26:30 GMT -5
Koi angelfish, ruby barbs, 4+ inch dennison barbs. 5 koi angels, 2 pairs each side, and an odd man in middle of tank. The koi angels acting as if ingested aphrodisiac. Poor odd man, they take him as a threat, even if he sticks his face in hole. Tadpoles rampant here. Many water holding tanks and many dragon flies/bats. Mosquitos about nil. Those tadpoles grow in clean water. They must have a food sack. Stay alive for weeks. Great food if they are free of buggars. Mass supply of frogs is probably the cause of rapid growth of bass. JAmes if you decide not to feed the tads to the fish.. I'll take them. They look like they would be yummy with Ramen.. grin. You have to use the regular soy sauce, not the low sodium stuff to really bring the flavor out. |
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Post by coloradocliff on Jun 17, 2017 0:59:19 GMT -5
JAmes if you decide not to feed the tads to the fish.. I'll take them. They look like they would be yummy with Ramen.. grin. You have to use the regular soy sauce, not the low sodium stuff to really bring the flavor out. Thinking a tad of wasabi would give em a lil bite? |
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 17, 2017 1:18:17 GMT -5
You have to use the regular soy sauce, not the low sodium stuff to really bring the flavor out. Thinking a tad of wasabi would give em a lil bite? Or make them wiggle more as they go down the throat. |
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, commercial pet fish are kept in a more sterile environment than wild fish. Therefore my analogy of the natives was valid as they were also exposed to some pathogens prior to the Europeans coming. But just like how the natives became sick with pathogens they had not been exposed to just like fish bred and raised in a captive environment can become ill from pathogens or parasites they have nor been exposed to in their life.
