14 days later

[jamesp]

Oats in back section. Collards turnips mustards kale beets in front section. Greens slower, only one inch tall. 3 dozen collard plants set.
Lots of deer meat in that field.
First photo fertilized by Hurricane Harvey. 2 inches Sept 1
Second photo watered by Hurricane Irma. 3 inches Sept 12
Remnants of hurricanes are serious water sources. No more water needed for the rest of the year.
Needs more plowing, next spring. Was covered in bamboo for 25 years.

[jamesp]

I walked it good fantastic5. Not a single chip of milky quartz or flint.
Did not figure it did, it's an alluvial deposit from up hill neighbor's poor land management during historic times. His top soil, perfect for garden.

[fantastic5]

Sept 14, 2017 20:24:11 GMT -5 jamesp said:

I walked it good fantastic5. Not a single chip of milky quartz or flint.
Did not figure it did, it's an alluvial deposit from up hill neighbor's poor land management during historic times. His top soil, perfect for garden.

I wondered about that as soon as you posted your plowing. Still want to come down and poke around some of your old campsites. Can't believe in all my years hiking and collecting I still haven't found a point.

We need to kayak the Etowah this winter! I know Tina wants to go too. Plus she's great for getting forgiveness if necessary.

Last week my new kitchen appliances were delivered and the installer is a big collector. He was showing me pictures of his boxes of points that he has collected. He actually gets permission to hunt land via his interaction with landowners during installs. Perfect opportunity. He pointed out that the spring that comes up just a few hundred yards from my property line and runs a small wet weather creek through the edge of my yard makes this a perfect spot for hunting. Actually, historically, this was a year round spring that was used to water horses after coming up the mountain. I was told that around the turn of the century it was actually the location of a toll house. Had to pay for the use of the road up the mountain. I borrowed a metal detector once, hoping to find old coins, but not knowing what I was doing, all I found was old nails, barbed wire, a horse shoe, old pipe, just a lot of junk. Because the area becomes a wetland through the winter (probably because we have all built around the area and rerouted the streams) I would think that any indian artifacts would be long covered.

[jamesp]

Sept 15, 2017 7:06:05 GMT -5 fantastic5 said:

Sept 14, 2017 20:24:11 GMT -5 jamesp said:

I walked it good fantastic5. Not a single chip of milky quartz or flint.
Did not figure it did, it's an alluvial deposit from up hill neighbor's poor land management during historic times. His top soil, perfect for garden.

I wondered about that as soon as you posted your plowing. Still want to come down and poke around some of your old campsites. Can't believe in all my years hiking and collecting I still haven't found a point.

We need to kayak the Etowah this winter! I know Tina wants to go too. Plus she's great for getting forgiveness if necessary.

Last week my new kitchen appliances were delivered and the installer is a big collector. He was showing me pictures of his boxes of points that he has collected. He actually gets permission to hunt land via his interaction with landowners during installs. Perfect opportunity. He pointed out that the spring that comes up just a few hundred yards from my property line and runs a small wet weather creek through the edge of my yard makes this a perfect spot for hunting. Actually, historically, this was a year round spring that was used to water horses after coming up the mountain. I was told that around the turn of the century it was actually the location of a toll house. Had to pay for the use of the road up the mountain. I borrowed a metal detector once, hoping to find old coins, but not knowing what I was doing, all I found was old nails, barbed wire, a horse shoe, old pipe, just a lot of junk. Because the area becomes a wetland through the winter (probably because we have all built around the area and rerouted the streams) I would think that any indian artifacts would be long covered.

the Tennessee river is one of the heaviest populated spots in the US.
Lake Wheeler is loaded with artifacts, they draw it down in winter.
About as good a place to go when water is low.
Take your boat there when/if the water goes down.
Take it to the Elk river section, say west of Decatur/Athens ? There is boat ramps.

I believe 555-556 is full. 552 to 553 is perfect for artifact hunting. Now it is 555.5 and NOT good for artifacts. www.wheelerlake.info/Level.asp

Me and wife crossed it years ago after a severe flood and it looked like half the trees upstream were floating down it.
As she says, flowing 50 MPH down the river. Tense moments, high adventure. Young and dumb.

Here is the ramp, SW corner of bridge. Go to small island north about 200 yards. See it, it's the tiny one just upstream from the bridge on left side of river.
I have picked up 100+ on that island. Bring a rake, stiff with 2 inch tines and rake the rocks at water's edge.But you got to go when river(Wheeler Lake) is low in cold season.
Anywhere up stream from that bridge is at prime Native Man elevation. Walk all the shores, look at the gravel bars.
I have been yearning to go there. Boat is ready. I even rake out holes in the vertical shores upstream and do well.
Elk River Natives made bad arse long spears. They are unique, trophies, with bizarre flaking pattern. Great chert up there, not so pretty but nice and waxy.
The lake is usually only 2.5 to 3.5 feet low at most, that is what you need. lower the better.
Let me know when you guys are ready, I'll be there in a heart beat. I stay in Athens.

[coloradocliff]

 

Growing a sausage and venison garden Jim?
Most of the people around here plant a rose bush to attract deer.. grin
Just got home from the big Denver rock show so haven't been on much. That bamboo is going to come back pretty soon isn't it? How long before you have the garden spot in a great condition? 3 years or so. Do you turn in manures in the fall for the spring growing?

Took several years to get this soil built up and doing a good job. Gardens are about done for the year in Colorado but the peaches were good and prunes are ripening now.

[Fossilman]

James you have been a busy guy,for sure! Looks great!

[fantastic5]

Sept 15, 2017 8:23:27 GMT -5 jamesp said:

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Let me know when you guys are ready, I'll be there in a heart beat. I stay in Athens.

Yeah baby!!!

[jamesp]

Sept 15, 2017 8:27:01 GMT -5 coloradocliff said:

 

Growing a sausage and venison garden Jim?
Most of the people around here plant a rose bush to attract deer.. grin
Just got home from the big Denver rock show so haven't been on much. That bamboo is going to come back pretty soon isn't it? How long before you have the garden spot in a great condition? 3 years or so. Do you turn in manures in the fall for the spring growing?

Took several years to get this soil built up and doing a good job. Gardens are about done for the year in Colorado but the peaches were good and prunes are ripening now.

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oh my, we just cast seeds and let em come up wherever on fall crops. Nothing so nice and organized like you have there Cliff.

Beautiful garden you have. Is your soil alkaline before amend ? Ours is acid. Needs lime or organics.

Bamboo is gone, deep disc plow murders it. Maybe a few here and there, but it's about zapped.
Next year I will deep disc it to break up the hard pan. when it is real dry.

Soil seems fine in terms of fertility. Squash and cucumber test did great, bumper crops of each.
Our surface clay is darn rich enough for veggie crops.
I'll plow in oats, sudan grass, rye, whatever for building soil. For fun crops. For deer meat crops lol.
Believe it or not we probably get more organic matter from warm weather crop of native weeds.

Bamboo grew there for 25 years. It is one on the most efficient bio mass producers on the planet.
Lots of leaf production 365 days of year. They mine soil under native bamboo stands in China, wicked soil 50+ feet deep.

[jamesp]

Sept 15, 2017 8:43:30 GMT -5 Fossilman said:

James you have been a busy guy,for sure! Looks great!

Now I can grow stuff like my buddy in Oregon.

[jamesp]

Sept 15, 2017 9:55:08 GMT -5 fantastic5 said:

Sept 15, 2017 8:23:27 GMT -5 jamesp said:

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Let me know when you guys are ready, I'll be there in a heart beat. I stay in Athens.

Yeah baby!!!

The game one. Got a love the exuberance.

[jamesp]

Sept 15, 2017 9:55:08 GMT -5 fantastic5 said:

Sept 15, 2017 8:23:27 GMT -5 jamesp said:

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Let me know when you guys are ready, I'll be there in a heart beat. I stay in Athens.

Yeah baby!!!

I was gonna add Ferris, If you can't find a projectile point at the Elk River you need some glasses or something corrected.
My wife buys antique stuff from a mussel diver. He dives along the Tenn. River close to this area. Oh man does he find the artifacts.
Makes good money selling them.

Look up Elk River Point. I believe the rare flaking method is diagonal oblique transverse flaking. Why that clan did that method we will never know.

Most of the points found there are real nice and similar to this write up. A signature. And very old projectiles www.lithicsnet.com/elkriver.htm

[Wooferhound]

Interesting to hear talk about the Elk River in North Alabama, as I plan to canoe some of it near Tennessee before the end of the year.

[jamesp]

Oct 8, 2017 8:32:45 GMT -5 Wooferhound said:

Interesting to hear talk about the Elk River in North Alabama, as I plan to canoe some of it near Tennessee before the end of the year.

he area on Google earth at bridge above is a perfect elevation for artifacts woofer.
I found them at the next bridge downstream too. It also has a boat ramp. But not as good as above bridge.