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Post by Pat on May 26, 2018 14:42:45 GMT -5
I know nothing about arrowheads. Several years ago I was given a polka-dot heat-treated arrowhead. It was suggested I offer it for sale for a minimum of $50. Can you suggest a website that helps to determine if it is authentic? It looks like the Brodhead side notched I found on OverstreetID.com typology.arrowheads.com/details.php?time=2&®ion=NE&&shape=5&&arrowhead_id=184Mine is darkish red-brown. Heat-treating to me could mean heating over a campfire long ago, or in an oven recently. Small chips removed from the sides and rows of chipping on surface. Thanks, Pat
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Post by fernwood on May 26, 2018 15:02:07 GMT -5
Could you post a photo of what you have? By authentic do you mean ancient? I know many great knappers who make very authentic looking arrow heads. Some heat treat with traditional methods. It is becoming harder and harder to determine the age of a possible relic. There are many people here on RTH who are knowledgeable in Artifacts. I have been lurking at this forum for a while, but when I went there now, I received a virus threat blocked alert. www.arrowheadology.com/forums/forum.php
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Post by Pat on May 26, 2018 15:04:14 GMT -5
Yes, I'll post photos asap. My sample looks very well made.
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Post by Pat on May 26, 2018 15:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by Pat on May 26, 2018 15:49:48 GMT -5
fernwood by authentic, I mean very old, ancient --- whenever they were used on a daily basis to catch dinner.
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Post by fernwood on May 26, 2018 15:54:23 GMT -5
That's a tough one. Either a recent work done by an excellent knapper or an artifact that was briefly or never used. There is a lack of wear on the item that one would expect after use. The knapping is high quality. Locally, I have seen recently made specimens of this quality priced at over $50.00. Other possibility is that whoever used it long ago was a poor shot, lol.
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Post by HankRocks on May 26, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -5
I would say it's a recent one, just something about the look of it say "yesterday" not "yester-century"
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Post by rockjunquie on May 26, 2018 17:01:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it looks too new to me, too. It's nice, though.
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Post by Pat on May 26, 2018 17:04:45 GMT -5
OK. How much could I sell it for? What is a reasonable price?
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Post by rockjunquie on May 26, 2018 17:08:14 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on May 26, 2018 21:28:02 GMT -5
Yep, looks like modern work to me....Mel
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Post by gemfeller on May 27, 2018 0:16:10 GMT -5
Other possibility is that whoever used it long ago was a poor shot, lol. He must have been a vegetarian. In the old days the name "vegetarian" meant Poor Hunter."
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Post by RickB on May 27, 2018 6:51:17 GMT -5
As a flintknapper, it looks recently made to me. I've found pricing to be determined a lot by the artist who created it. Some of those people are on Flintknapers.com. Perhaps Mjflinty will chime in as to price to put on that point as the Flintknappers.com site is his site. Rick B
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Post by orrum on May 27, 2018 9:07:16 GMT -5
Polka dot doesn't need heat treatment. It looks modern to me.
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Post by jamesp on May 27, 2018 9:33:56 GMT -5
Detailed edge treatment a bit over the top too Pat.
For a laugh write on the back side "USA" and lay it on the ground where your friend or family member can find it thinking they found the real thing till they see USA written on it. I guess that is sorta cruel. Us arrowhead buddies do that to each other, it can cause a raucous.
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Post by pizzano on May 27, 2018 12:50:28 GMT -5
My son was into Arrowhead collecting and just recently sold most of his assortment........He had both purchased and prospected many. The collection only included native American material from west of the Mississippi River and those associated with Native tribes that were originally from those regions.
I believe he had, at one time, at least a couple of arrowheads from all "known" Nations in those regions dating back as far as the 3rd century BC........museum in South Dakota (Crazy Horse Memorial) and one private party bought the bulk of his collection........Made enough to pay cash for his new (2016 Subaru Outback)....I have a few he gave me that are from Arizona, Montana, Colorado and Wyoming (middle to late Archaic Period) side notched expanded stemmed......stone type unknown (most likely shale/hematite) due to the lack of a flacking pattern or defined serrated edges, mostly chipped and sanded to form.....have no idea what they are worth....:
Couple I could find quickly.....others Wife has stashed someplace for safe keeping (she thinks they are worth $$$ since son did so well selling.....lol)
Here's a website the boy sent me to learn about identification......never really got into this, maybe I should (in my spare time)....! www.projectilepoints.net/
The one Pat posted, like a few here have stated, looks almost machined. The serrated edges are staggered so uniformly and the flacking pattern indexed symmetrically, the craftsman that made it was certainly skilled and artistic.........the lack of wear may indicate more of a jewelry piece rather than intended as a functioning tool......just a guess..!
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Post by Fossilman on May 28, 2018 9:56:19 GMT -5
Polka Dot is a mine here in eastern Oregon (Polka Dot agate)... The Indians had a cave and wall, where they heat treated artifacts....They would pile wood,logs,branches,dead leaves, etc around this wall of agate and stuff this cave with same material, than light it on fire,let it burn for a week or so. Than throw water on the wall for a day, from the local creek.. It would shatter the wall of agate and that is how they heated treated the points and collected agate.... I have a few hundred pounds of this material(treated agate,& jasper), I collected from that site. Those points can go for $35 - 50$ a point....Modern knapping is really booming now! All points are authentic, some are old,some are new....I collect both, you should have no problem selling it.... Good luck
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Post by Pat on May 28, 2018 12:47:26 GMT -5
Fossilman do you have a sense of whether it is old or new? Thanks. pizzano good point about it being intended for jewelry. If I had spent hours making it, I wouldn't want to lose it in a bear et al. In my limited research, I haven't seen any with comparable detail.
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Post by Fossilman on May 28, 2018 15:33:09 GMT -5
Pat, I would say its a newer knap work... For one, there isn't any flaws on that point... Many collectors out there, that buy these newer points..
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Post by agatemaggot on Jun 5, 2018 13:02:07 GMT -5
Your point appears to be a Hopewell / Snyders type. Your point shows parallel flaking which was not normally used on that type of point but is very eye catching on replica items. The parallel or ribbon flaking points to replica but $50.00 is in the Ballpark ! When a good percent of treated material is knapped, it has a rather flat finish , but, I noticed yours has a fairly high gloss to it. What material do you think it's made from ? If the piece had a C.O.A. (certificate of authenticity ) it would probably bring in $150.00 or more ! C.O.A.'s are a little pricey so if it turned out modern after the C.O.A. you would , MAYBE , have enough left of the $50.00 for a (12 pack) of bread.
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