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Post by TheRock on Nov 5, 2019 2:30:15 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 5, 2019 8:41:05 GMT -5
Cool idea! I may steal it.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 5, 2019 8:54:22 GMT -5
When I saw the title, I knew it was you.
I hate t tell you this, but people have been doing that for years. But, it IS a brilliant idea.
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julieooly
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Post by julieooly on Nov 5, 2019 10:26:17 GMT -5
I'm crazy super jealous of all the space you have between your wheels, if only I had known! LOL I did the exact same thing with the pipe insulation, problem was the wet foam made my arms itch and the foam got nasty dirty. This is what I switched over to, it's a kitchen cabinet spice rack tier. I put a towel over the flat surface and it gives me AMA-zing forearm support and they're pretty easy to keep clean with the towel over them.
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Post by NDK on Nov 5, 2019 16:25:27 GMT -5
I used a swim noodle from the dollar store. Just sliced lengthwise and slid on. This way you can get funky colors to compliment the rock snot 😂
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Post by TheRock on Nov 6, 2019 1:03:15 GMT -5
I'm crazy super jealous of all the space you have between your wheels, if only I had known! LOL I did the exact same thing with the pipe insulation, problem was the wet foam made my arms itch and the foam got nasty dirty. This is what I switched over to, it's a kitchen cabinet spice rack tier. I put a towel over the flat surface and it gives me AMA-zing forearm support and they're pretty easy to keep clean with the towel over them. The Foam that I used is Closed Cell Foam, Yep same as the noodle stuff, the open Cell foam is pipe insulation used in refrigeration. Closed cell foam does not absorb water and can be cleaned easily by just wiping off with a rag. So you want to make sure its the stuff I linked to. This shouldn't irritate your skin. The next upgrade will be a water heater for the Cab King! I have been doing some thinking, and I think I have a solution for that. julieooly I think the wheel spacing is the difference between the 8" and 6" Cab King.
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Post by julieooly on Nov 6, 2019 8:32:52 GMT -5
I'm crazy super jealous of all the space you have between your wheels, if only I had known! LOL I did the exact same thing with the pipe insulation, problem was the wet foam made my arms itch and the foam got nasty dirty. This is what I switched over to, it's a kitchen cabinet spice rack tier. I put a towel over the flat surface and it gives me AMA-zing forearm support and they're pretty easy to keep clean with the towel over them. The Foam that I used is Closed Cell Foam, Yep same as the noodle stuff, the open Cell foam is pipe insulation used in refrigeration. Closed cell foam does not absorb water and can be cleaned easily by just wiping off with a rag. So you want to make sure its the stuff I linked to. This shouldn't irritate your skin. The next upgrade will be a water heater for the Cab King! I have been doing some thinking, and I think I have a solution for that. julieooly I think the wheel spacing is the difference between the 8" and 6" Cab King. I put an old fish tank heater into my supply bucket, it helps knock the chill off.
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Post by Pat on Nov 6, 2019 9:44:06 GMT -5
Several years ago, I tried the Dollar Tree pool noodle because I was curious. However, it was a pain in the neck. Removed it. I don't use dop sticks, so don't really need a rest. I can see that it would be useful if you do you dop sticks.
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Post by richardi503 on Nov 6, 2019 16:11:35 GMT -5
I actually heat my water up to about 165 -170 F. If you go any hotter the pump kicks out from the heat(don't even ask how I know). I did the same with the insulation foam.
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Post by TheRock on Nov 7, 2019 2:49:45 GMT -5
I actually heat my water up to about 165 -170 F. If you go any hotter the pump kicks out from the heat(don't even ask how I know). I did the same with the insulation foam. richardi503 What kind of tank do you use? Also what kind of heater do you use? julieooly what kind of bucket do you use and how warm does the water get? Thanks ~Duke
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Post by julieooly on Nov 7, 2019 7:59:12 GMT -5
I use empty Tidy Cat pails, they're probably about 4 gal (or less). The max setting on the thermostat is 93. The water was quite toasty this morning, but I forgot to fill the pail last time I cabbed, it was only 1/2 full. I guess that shouldn't matter though.
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Post by TheRock on Nov 7, 2019 13:21:20 GMT -5
I use empty Tidy Cat pails, they're probably about 4 gal (or less). The max setting on the thermostat is 93. The water was quite toasty this morning, but I forgot to fill the pail last time I cabbed, it was only 1/2 full. I guess that shouldn't matter though. Well yeah it does. The more capacity of water you trying to heat requires a larger heater. Same as a larger house requires a bigger furnace. When you are dealing with water like this you need a big enough heater to lower the recovery time so you can add say a gallon of water and the heater recovers and heats the water up FAST to the desired temperature so you don't have to wait. your Body Temp is Approx 98.6 so anything colder than that will feel colder to the touch and in this senerio you are spraying the water on a rotating wheel and water will surely drop a few degrees before it touches your skin. I would say 110 to 120 max would be the perfect temperature. One other factor you have to consider is is the plastic or rubber tube you are using doesn't swell and come apart from too much heat. richardi503 mentoned 165 to 170 deg and over that the pump acts up, that is because most motors have a thermal overload safety device and over 170 deg his pump quits. (which is working correctly doing its job). Anyway that is a factor one needs to keep in mind. An instantaneous water heater is what is needed in this case so there is no wait time. I will wait 5 or 10 minutes but not hours. Also one needs to be awful careful to make sure there are some temperature safety devices inline, to shut the unit down if it runs low on water or it will become a High Pressure Steam BOMB and ker-POW. There goes my Lap Shop to the next town! So I am going to give this some more thought, this Hobby should be enjoyable and the water being cold doesn't help. ~Duke
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 7, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -5
I use empty Tidy Cat pails, they're probably about 4 gal (or less). The max setting on the thermostat is 93. The water was quite toasty this morning, but I forgot to fill the pail last time I cabbed, it was only 1/2 full. I guess that shouldn't matter though. Well yeah it does. The more capacity of water you trying to heat requires a larger heater. Same as a larger house requires a bigger furnace. When you are dealing with water like this you need a big enough heater to lower the recovery time so you can add say a gallon of water and the heater recovers and heats the water up FAST to the desired temperature so you don't have to wait. your Body Temp is Approx 98.6 so anything colder than that will feel colder to the touch and in this senerio you are spraying the water on a rotating wheel and water will surely drop a few degrees before it touches your skin. I would say 110 to 120 max would be the perfect temperature. One other factor you have to consider is is the plastic or rubber tube you are using doesn't swell and come apart from too much heat. richardi503 mentoned 165 to 170 deg and over that the pump acts up, that is because most motors have a thermal overload safety device and over 170 deg his pump quits. (which is working correctly doing its job). Anyway that is a factor one needs to keep in mind. An instantaneous water heater is what is needed in this case so there is no wait time. I will wait 5 or 10 minutes but not hours. Also one needs to be awful careful to make sure there are some temperature safety devices inline, to shut the unit down if it runs low on water or it will become a High Pressure Steam BOMB and ker-POW. There goes my Lap Shop to the next town! So I am going to give this some more thought, this Hobby should be enjoyable and the water being cold doesn't help. ~Duke Not sure what the temp in your shop is kept at, just watch out for thermal shock. Not sure there would be enough temp difference, just something to consider.
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Post by TheRock on Nov 7, 2019 17:08:18 GMT -5
Well yeah it does. The more capacity of water you trying to heat requires a larger heater. Same as a larger house requires a bigger furnace. When you are dealing with water like this you need a big enough heater to lower the recovery time so you can add say a gallon of water and the heater recovers and heats the water up FAST to the desired temperature so you don't have to wait. your Body Temp is Approx 98.6 so anything colder than that will feel colder to the touch and in this senerio you are spraying the water on a rotating wheel and water will surely drop a few degrees before it touches your skin. I would say 110 to 120 max would be the perfect temperature. One other factor you have to consider is is the plastic or rubber tube you are using doesn't swell and come apart from too much heat. richardi503 mentoned 165 to 170 deg and over that the pump acts up, that is because most motors have a thermal overload safety device and over 170 deg his pump quits. (which is working correctly doing its job). Anyway that is a factor one needs to keep in mind. An instantaneous water heater is what is needed in this case so there is no wait time. I will wait 5 or 10 minutes but not hours. Also one needs to be awful careful to make sure there are some temperature safety devices inline, to shut the unit down if it runs low on water or it will become a High Pressure Steam BOMB and ker-POW. There goes my Lap Shop to the next town! So I am going to give this some more thought, this Hobby should be enjoyable and the water being cold doesn't help. ~Duke Not sure what the temp in your shop is kept at, just watch out for thermal shock. Not sure there would be enough temp difference, just something to consider. Hank your right, I think I covered Thermal Shock In The Yellow writing above. I think I have found a solution to this inherent long time problem. To me the fun part in this hobby is solving problems with the use and operation of the equipment we all use. And I have heard alot about this cold water problem this is what I plan to do. Its called a Ecosmart POU 3.5 Point of Use Electric Tankless Water Heater, 3.5KW@120-Volt. I plan to purchase one of these on Amazon for $132.40 then get a Stainless Steel 8 gal Turkey Fryer Pot. for $37.00 then Insulate it with closed cell foam insulation. Then purchase a circulating pump that circulate water through the Eco and return the heated water back to the 8 gallon tank. The Eco requires about .6 gal per minute flow rate. I will set the temp at 120 and try that. I use reverse osmosis water so building scale up in the water should not be a problem. If the flow rate goes below 3 gal a minute the eco shuts off and also shuts off when reaching the temperature set-point. This Point Of Use unit heats water Instantaneously and should have 8 gal heated in less than 5 Minutes. I have called Eco and talked to the Support department and discussed my plans in detail and their engineer gave me the thumbs up. I will tackle this job this spring. I most likely will use a small AUBIG DC40A-1245 DC 12V 1.2A 14.4W Brushless Magnetic Drive Centrifugal Submersible Oil Water Mini Pump for $26.00 this pump can operate in 172 deg water and has a flow rate of 2.7336860670194 Gal per minute if my math is correct. So for Under $300.00 I can do the Whole Ball of Wacks! So as captbob says Ole Duke may spend $4000.00 to solve a problem but it will work!
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Post by NDK on Nov 9, 2019 18:22:30 GMT -5
TheRock I think what HankRocks meant with the warning about thermal shock was a cold cab preform put to the wheels with hot water and causing fractures.
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Post by TheRock on Nov 9, 2019 23:44:46 GMT -5
TheRock I think what HankRocks meant with the warning about thermal shock was a cold cab preform put to the wheels with hot water and causing fractures. It's always hard to think what someone else means If that be the case in what HankRocks meant then I will use a Small Mesh Basket fill it with the stones I plan to polish and lower it into my 8 gal tank before I start heating the water. I only plan on heating the water to 120 deg F. But after the water hits the wheel and rock it will probably be 100 deg F. I thank you NDK for the heads up. That does make more sense.
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Post by julieooly on Nov 10, 2019 9:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by julieooly on Nov 10, 2019 9:17:35 GMT -5
Oh wait, you can't adjust the temp. Never mind.
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Post by parfive on Nov 10, 2019 13:28:03 GMT -5
That 1500W bucket heater got me in the mood for some poached eggs.
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