Search for Sir Isaac Newton's Powerful Magnetic Ring

[1dave]

In my Magnetic Research I keep finding mention of Newton's ring, and began wondering if it was still around.





LOTS of mention of Mr. Martin, but who was he?

I searched the British Museum. Lots of stuff about Sir Newton. A magnetic necklace, but no ring.

Then I found:


They even had a drawing - Fig 3 !


Carefully I read:

It is a fact well known, that large masses of this mineral often have a weak power, and that small specimens generally have a stronger proportional energy. We have an example of this in the account given of the large specimen in the Leverian Museum, which is stated to have a very weak power; and the three small specimens noticed by Mr. Martin, which presented a very great power.

One of these belonged to Mr. Haac; it weighed 14 ½ ounces when armed, and carried 16 times its own weight. Another belonged to the honorable Mr, Berkeley, then at Bruton; it weighed 43 grains when armed, and carried 1032 grains, being 24 times its own weight. And the third, which Mr. Newton wore ln a ring, weighed scarce three grains, it took up 746 grains, being 250 times its own wright, see fig. 3. In these three small specimens we find the power of attraction to be comparatively greater the smaller their size is. Mr. Newton’s carried no less than 250 times its weight, whereas Mr. Berkeley’s only carried 24 times, and Mr. Haac’s only 16 times, their respective weights.

When ARMED? What does that mean?

AHA! Mr. Martin saw it in the Leverian Museum. Sold at auction. I'm hot on the trail. Nope, no sign of it in the few lists of purchased items.

Then I found:

Perhaps Mr. Martin didn't see it at the Leverian. A false trail, BUT there is the explanation of Armed Magnets.

Finally I found way back in 1759:


It was Benjamin Martin! And the original drawing!


But no sign of the ring anywhere.

PLEASE search your property, it may be under your bed.

[mohs]

Heavy iron isotopes leaking from Earth's core

phys.org/news/2020-04-heavy-iron-isotopes-leaking-earth.html

Lesher and his colleagues analyzed how iron isotopes move between areas of different temperatures during experiments conducted under high temperature and pressure. Their findings can explain why there are more heavy iron isotopes in mantle rocks than in chondrite meteorites, the primordial material from the early solar system, Lesher said.

something Dave
I saw pop up on my home web page

Iron, telluric currents and magnetism
all fundamental

Not sure what it all means...

[1dave]

Apr 15, 2020 7:52:33 GMT -5 mohs said:

Heavy iron isotopes leaking from Earth's core

phys.org/news/2020-04-heavy-iron-isotopes-leaking-earth.html

Lesher and his colleagues analyzed how iron isotopes move between areas of different temperatures during experiments conducted under high temperature and pressure. Their findings can explain why there are more heavy iron isotopes in mantle rocks than in chondrite meteorites, the primordial material from the early solar system, Lesher said.

something Dave
I saw pop up on my home web page

Iron, telluric currents and magnetism
all fundamental

Not sure what it all means...

Interesting read and kind of goes along with my research.

ABOUT LOAD STONES - I thought they were all magnetite crystals, but discovered magnetite is usually a poor magnet. I found and compressed this information:

Microscopic examination of lodestones has found them to be made of magnetite (Fe³O⁴) with inclusions of maghemite (cubic Fe²O³ - between magnetite and hematite) also called λ gamma-Fe²O³; often with impurity metal ions of titanium, aluminum, and manganese.

This inhomogeneous crystalline structure gives this variety of magnetite sufficient coercivity (a measure of the ability of a ferromagnetic material to withstand an external magnetic field without becoming demagnetized) to remain magnetized and thus be a permanent magnet.

Back to your find,

The boundary between the liquid iron core and the rocky mantle is located some 1,800 miles (2,900 km) below Earth's surface. At this transition, the temperature drops by more than a thousand degrees from the hotter core to the cooler mantle.

The new study suggests heavier iron isotopes migrate toward lower temperatures—and into the mantle—while lighter iron isotopes circulate back down into the core. (Isotopes of the same element have different numbers of neutrons, giving them slightly different masses.) This effect could cause core material infiltrating the lowermost mantle to be enriched in heavy iron isotopes.

"If correct, this stands to improve our understanding of core-mantle interaction," said Charles Lesher, lead author, professor emeritus of geology at UC Davis and professor of earth system petrology at Aarhus University in Denmark.

The heavy isotopes stay up . . . while light isotopes sink? .

That goes against gravity. BUT temperature messes stuff up . . .

I like their image:

[mohs]

that what I thought too, Dave

gravity !

the more intense research is done
the less things make sense
in 3 d sort of way
o well... i suppose that how the mind works

thanks for the follow up !

I may posted it in the wrong area
confused with the leaking iron

enjoy the Newton documentation
ya know...i'm just a rock grinder
out there working all kinds of abrasives,machines, geology,
releasing ancient muds

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of angles
if I only had a Newtonian
perspective
the man was beyond,...

[1dave]

Apr 15, 2020 13:27:54 GMT -5 mohs said:

that what I thought too, Dave

gravity !

the more intense research is done
the less things make sense
in 3 d sort of way
o well... i suppose that how the mind works

thanks for the follow up !

I may posted it in the wrong area
confused with the leaking iron

enjoy the Newton documentation
ya know...i'm just a rock grinder
out there working all kinds of abrasives,machines, geology,
releasing ancient muds

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of angles
if I only had a Newtonian
perspective
the man was beyond,...

But try as he may, he couldn't figure out MAGNETISM.

www.gutenberg.org/files/53161/53161-h/53161-h.htm

INTRODUCTION. (Page 74-DC - a LOT of JUNK in the first part)

THE manner, in which Sir Isaac Newton has published his philosophical discoveries, occasions them to lie very much concealed from all, who have not made the mathematics particularly their study. He once, indeed, intended to deliver, in a more familiar way, that part of his inventions, which relates to the system of the world; but upon farther consideration he altered his design. For as the nature of those discoveries made it impossible to prove them upon any other than geometrical principles; he apprehended, that those, who should not fully perceive the force of his arguments, would hardly be prevailed on to exchange their former sentiments for new opinions, so very different from[2] what were commonly received[1]. He therefore chose rather to explain himself only to mathematical readers; and declined the attempting to instruct such in any of his principles, who, by not comprehending his method of reasoning, could not, at the first appearance of his discoveries, have been persuaded of their truth. But now, since Sir Isaac Newton’s doctrine has been fully established by the unanimous approbation of all, who are qualified to understand the same; it is without doubt to be wished, that the whole of his improvements in philosophy might be universally known. For this purpose therefore I drew up the following papers, to give a general notion of our great philosopher’s inventions to such, as are not prepared to read his own works, and yet might desire to be informed of the progress, he has made in natural knowledge; not doubting but there were many, besides those, whose turn of mind had led them into a course of mathematical studies, that would take great pleasure in tasting of this delightful fountain of science.

2. It is a just remark, which has been made upon the human mind, that nothing is more suitable to it, than the contemplation of truth; and that all men are moved with a strong desire after knowledge; esteeming it honourable to excel therein; and holding it, on the contrary, disgraceful to mistake, err, or be in any way deceived. And this sentiment is by nothing more fully illustrated, than by the inclination of men to gain an acquaintance with the operations of nature; which disposition to enquire after the causes of things is[3] so general, that all men of letters, I believe, find themselves influenced by it.

Last comments on page 247

2. At the end of his treatise of optics he has proposed some thoughts concerning other parts of nature, which he had not distinctly searched into. He begins with some farther reflections concerning light, which he had not fully examined. In particular he declares his sentiments at large concerning the power, whereby bodies and light act on each other. In some parts of his book he had given short hints at his opinion concerning this[338], but here he expressly declares his conjecture, which we have already mentioned[339], that this power is lodged in a very subtle spirit of a great elastic force diffused thro’ the universe, producing not only this, but many other natural operations. He thinks it not impossible, that the power of gravity itself should be owing to it. On this occasion he enumerates many natural appearances, the chief of which are produced by chymical experiments. From numerous observations of this kind he makes no doubt, that the smallest parts of matter, when near contact, act strongly on each other, sometimes being mutually attracted, at other times repelled. (magnetism!)

3. The attractive power is more manifest than the other, for the parts of all bodies adhere by this principle. And the[407] name of attraction, which our author has given to it, has been very freely made use of by many writers, and as much objected to by others. He has often complained to me of having been misunderstood in this matter. What he lays upon this head was not intended by him as a philosophical explanation of any appearances, but only to point out a power in nature not hitherto distinctly observed, the cause of which, and the manner of its acting, he thought was worthy of a diligent enquiry. To acquiesce in the explanation of any appearance by asserting it to be a general power of attraction, is not to improve our knowledge in philosophy, but rather to put a stop to our farther search.

[mohs]

Yep
Guess it took Maxwell and,
others later,
to figure out fields

all those great experiments

Magnet manifest electricity fields
Electricity manifests magnetic fields

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fields then become a mystery
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[1dave]

Apr 15, 2020 16:40:03 GMT -5 mohs said:

Yep
Guess it took Maxwell and,
others later,
to figure out fields

all those great experiments

Magnet manifest electricity fields
Electricity manifests magnetic fields

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fields then become a mystery
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Double YEP! to this day, not one of us can say what a magnetic field is.

I read on a forum the other day that they are IMAGINARY! How can imaginary push and pull things around?

Gravity is INFINITE, and so is magnetism - but magnetism cancels here and there.

Cancels does NOT mean disappear. ALL of it is still there. Think of two water waves colliding on an angle. BOTH waves continue on in interference patterns, but both are still there.

[1dave]

Apr 15, 2020 7:52:33 GMT -5 mohs said:

Heavy iron isotopes leaking from Earth's core

phys.org/news/2020-04-heavy-iron-isotopes-leaking-earth.html

Lesher and his colleagues analyzed how iron isotopes move between areas of different temperatures during experiments conducted under high temperature and pressure. Their findings can explain why there are more heavy iron isotopes in mantle rocks than in chondrite meteorites, the primordial material from the early solar system, Lesher said.

Perhaps a more likely explanation for why there are more heavy iron isotopes in mantle rocks than in chondrite meteorites is -  particles raining down from the sun.

Meteors and asteroids are continually crashing into the sun and vaporizing.
Those iron vapors are constantly being bombarded by all kinds of particles, converting them into heavy isotopes, sending them back out into space - and raining down on earth.

It has only been going on for 4.5 billion years, all landing on the crust.

www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2010/aas-eclipse.html

These images of the solar corona are color overlays of the emission from highly ionized iron lines for the 2006 eclipse (left column) and 2008 eclipse (right column), with white-light images added in the bottom row.
Red indicates iron line Fe XI 789.2 nm,
blue represents iron line Fe XIII 1074.7 nm,
and green shows iron line Fe XIV 530.3 nm.

These are the first such maps of the 2-D distribution of coronal electron temperature and ion charge state. Credit: Habbal, et al.

[mohs]

1dave posted:

Perhaps a more likely explanation for why there are more heavy iron isotopes in mantle rocks than in chondrite meteorites is -  particles raining down from the sun.


Meteors and asteroids are continually crashing into the sun and vaporizing.
Those iron vapors are constantly being bombarded by all kinds of particles, converting them into heavy isotopes, sending them back out into space - and raining down on earth.

It has only been going on for 4.5 billion years, all landing on the crust.

mohs replied:

That would make more gravitational sense

It could be that both are true at the same time

That doesn’t seem like it would break any laws ha of physics
Nor
The law of non –contradiction
As proposed by Aristotle and others…