RWA3006
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Post by RWA3006 on Nov 29, 2020 22:28:07 GMT -5
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Post by rockpickerforever on Nov 29, 2020 23:08:44 GMT -5
I love rock paintings and petroglyphs. I take photos of them whenever we come across them in our travels, in the nearby desert, also up at Zion NP and other places. And I have downloaded a bunch of them to my phone that others took, mostly in the California desert.
There's just something so cool about them. When you look at the art, you just have to wonder about the people that created them, and what the heck they were thinking, what do they represent??
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 29, 2020 23:51:15 GMT -5
An eight-mile wall... Holy smokes. If they were to stare at a section of wall, then move 50 feet to the left or right, it would be like us flipping TV channels today. I actually got goosebumps looking at the pics. Fascinating they existed at the same time in history with so many prehistoric and now extinct animals. Do you ever imagine...I mean REALLY imagine what life must have been like back then? It's enough to make the modern mind explode! Thanks for sharing this!  |
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Post by RWA3006 on Nov 30, 2020 7:58:55 GMT -5
It's amazing what we can infer by seeing depictions of long extinct animals. I wish I had a time machine.
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Win
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Post by Win on Dec 21, 2020 11:11:27 GMT -5
That really is amazing, I love reading about discoveries like this. My wife and I have visited some very good sites in Utah, and there are thousands of them. The way these have stood up over time baffles me.
A good book about a recent discovery is "The Lost City of the Monkey God" by Douglas Preston. Modern story about how hard it is to access the jungles, from politics to the logistics.
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Post by gemfeller on Dec 21, 2020 12:46:36 GMT -5
The headline's incorrect. They weren't the first humans to reach South America. Maybe they were descended from them but the settlement of Monte Verde in southern Chile has been dated to at least 15000 years ago and new evidence suggests human habitation there of perhaps 18500 years ago. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of how and when people first arrived in the Americas. |
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Post by RWA3006 on Dec 21, 2020 17:42:16 GMT -5
The headline's incorrect. They weren't the first humans to reach South America. Maybe they were descended from them but the settlement of Monte Verde in southern Chile has been dated to at least 15000 years ago and new evidence suggests human habitation there of perhaps 18500 years ago. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of how and when people first arrived in the Americas. Can you imagine what it would have been like to be the first people to enter this land? Concerning the travelers who came across the Bering bridge I wonder how far South they wandered in the course of an average human life span. It's possible they traveled from Alaska to Patagonia in just a couple lifetimes, but I suspect it took much longer. And that doesn't even take into account those who came by sea. |
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Post by gemfeller on Dec 21, 2020 19:17:40 GMT -5
The headline's incorrect. They weren't the first humans to reach South America. Maybe they were descended from them but the settlement of Monte Verde in southern Chile has been dated to at least 15000 years ago and new evidence suggests human habitation there of perhaps 18500 years ago. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of how and when people first arrived in the Americas. Can you imagine what it would have been like to be the first people to enter this land? Concerning the travelers who came across the Bering bridge I wonder how far South they wandered in the course of an average human life span. It's possible they traveled from Alaska to Patagonia in just a couple lifetimes, but I suspect it took much longer. And that doesn't even take into account those who came by sea. This topic has been of great interest to me for many years. I've done lots of reading and research but was puzzled that some of the oldest cultures in the Americas seemed to emerge in Central and South America. Then I realized that 15000 years ago, more or less, North America was still in the grip of the last Ice Age. Archaeologists have found much evidence that the earliest migrations from Asia and elsewhere were by boat, when sea levels were some 300 feet lower than currently. Most of the evidence of their passage is believed to be under water. It seems logical they sought warmer southern climates more hospitable to survival. Passage over the Siberian-Alaskan land bridge is believed to have come much later, when the ice had retreated a bit. I agree it took courage and determination to push ahead into unknown territory when they were surrounded by megafauna like cave bears, woolly mammoths, sabre-toothed tigers, dire wolves etc. |
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Post by mohs on Dec 21, 2020 19:43:14 GMT -5
Were talking 1,750 grandma’s ago
that 15,000 year ago
give or take hundred grandma's
and considering that the human lineage
may have as many as 398,250 grandma’s
before that
Or 400,000 generations
And considering we cooperated enough
to get this far to this mild equator
boggling
how?
Through so much violence
and a dash of good luck
for a few procreating grandma's
totally boggling...
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RWA3006
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Post by RWA3006 on Dec 21, 2020 22:31:59 GMT -5
Yes, totally mind boggling. I feel certain the actual events they lived are much more dynamic than any fiction we could imagine. What I wouldn't give to have a detailed written history of what they experienced!
Decades ago I lived among indigenous peoples of the southern tip of South America and I can remember contemplating the great mystery of their origin as I visited with them.
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Post by mohs on Dec 21, 2020 23:31:42 GMT -5
Its is totally amazing
Lots of life form have weathered the storm & thrived
Yet,
How a bipedal animal, not particularly ferocious,
with some stone tools and FIRE, in small groups,
came to dominate the earth.
The odds had to be- at times- just totally against them.
Other times Eden.
Language, cooperation, and abstract thought
Beats life odds
I throw cooperation in
They must of had each other backs.
The domestication process.
Not sure how that works
Rosseau vs Hobbisian
Are we naturally peaceful &
Drove ourselves into chains
Or our we
Stone cold brutes
That needs a heavy hand?
Probably never really have a decisive to answer that..
Anyway
peace, brother
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Post by amygdule on Dec 22, 2020 6:57:06 GMT -5
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... to the New Guys from The ChatBox V.2 Crew