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Post by 1dave on Jun 3, 2022 13:03:01 GMT -5
Yes 1dave, they are climbing all over me since pet wood is just not found much in SE US. I wish I could share. Well IF they were authentic searchers they would have found them on their own long ago. How close are you to buying your new property?
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2022 13:53:45 GMT -5
Yes 1dave, they are climbing all over me since pet wood is just not found much in SE US. I wish I could share. Well IF they were authentic searchers they would have found them on their own long ago. How close are you to buying your new property? The location is a bit difficult to access due to steel slopes. The geology is a bit drab there. Many rock hunters wouldn't bother going there. The land is a fairly large holding divided into sections ranging from 6 to 80 acres. Maybe totalling 300 acres. Used for hunting only. A camp is there with 5 medium sized campers and actively used. I have been sneaking on it to see where the best wood supply may be. It has been in two families names for a long time. The family is local living from there to the city next to me in Atlanta. I am approaching them slowly. Hopefully their gate will be open and can meet them in person(which may make me lose the purchase lol). The county records are confusing at the point I am looking at making an offer on. Plus studying comparable that have sold in the area which isn't many. There appears to be an extension surrounding the creek 1000 feet long that would be my choice. It is like a 300 foot wide appendage and I doubt they ever go on. But it has value for small lots with the big creek's frontage. Creek is beautiful with a dozen low waterfalls, real pretty. 2.3 miles of gravel road to get there. Looks like it could be divided to 4 lots and a lot or two could be sold to get the balance for free.
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Post by HankRocks on Jun 3, 2022 16:02:54 GMT -5
Well IF they were authentic searchers they would have found them on their own long ago. How close are you to buying your new property? The location is a bit difficult to access due to steel slopes. The geology is a bit drab there. Many rock hunters wouldn't bother going there. The land is a fairly large holding divided into sections ranging from 6 to 80 acres. Maybe totalling 300 acres. Used for hunting only. A camp is there with 5 medium sized campers and actively used. I have been sneaking on it to see where the best wood supply may be. It has been in two families names for a long time. The family is local living from there to the city next to me in Atlanta. I am approaching them slowly. Hopefully their gate will be open and can meet them in person(which may make me lose the purchase lol). The county records are confusing at the point I am looking at making an offer on. Plus studying comparable that have sold in the area which isn't many. There appears to be an extension surrounding the creek 1000 feet long that would be my choice. It is like a 300 foot wide appendage and I doubt they ever go on. But it has value for small lots with the big creek's frontage. Creek is beautiful with a dozen low waterfalls, real pretty. 2.3 miles of gravel road to get there. Looks like it could be divided to 4 lots and a lot or two could be sold to get the balance for free. Jim, I think your approach is the best. You can ignore the "rockhounds" pressuring you for a location. I have had experience with such folks and their behavior with the West Texas Ranches. They managed to get 2 or 3 places permanently closed with their behavior. One individual whom I will not name was actually guiding folks for a fee out to a couple places to collect without the landowners knowledge figuring that he would not get caught due to the remoteness of the places. Well he got caught and the landowner vowed to never let rockhounds on his property. I think it's taken a good bit of hard work by Teri Smith to get a couple opened back up. Good luck!
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Post by 1dave on Jun 3, 2022 16:53:19 GMT -5
jamesp the geologists are going to be thrilled at your discovery. I'm sure your pet wood was emplaced by the tidal wave from Chicxilub ~ 1,000 miles south southeast of there. But then they won't let anyone pick up so much as a dust mote. Unless YOU own the land. Then they have no say. You could invite good friends to purchase good lots in the neighborhood(s)
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2022 19:16:54 GMT -5
jamesp the geologists are going to be thrilled at your discovery. I'm sure your pet wood was emplaced by the tidal wave from Chicxilub ~ 1,000 miles south southeast of there. But then they won't let anyone pick up so much as a dust mote. Unless YOU own the land. Then they have no say. You could invite good friends to purchase good lots in the neighborhood(s) Being silent is my best bet. Thanks for the advise. Telling the geologist may be as troublesome as telling collectors wouldn't you think ? I feel strongly that this deposit was placed by a powerful force of wave action on a shore from the west and not from the south by chicxulub. However a large wave of water generated by that meteor may have been forced down this large drainage aligned exactly west(draining from the east) containing about 50 creeks. Plus the volcanic ash covering the area had to come from the north and north east suggesting runoff off the Morrison formation area. A temporary constant level Fall Line ocean that quickly filled and quickly drained makes more sense looking at the topography. The +/-20 feet deep deposit matches a persisting shoreline perfectly. It is a narrow(east to west) but long deposit(north to south) depositing on a very narrow elevation difference which suggests a shoreline closely. Looks like a flood event to me. About 4 to 5 thousand years ago There is wood deposited along the entire Fall Line in Alabama for it's 300+ mile length. strong evidence of a shoreline deposit.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 3, 2022 19:26:28 GMT -5
The big pieces are actually better silicified go figure. They require a pack mule though. No shortage of big chunks on site. This 35 pounder was cross cut and as usual shows little evidence of growth rings dang it. Maybe slightly in the close up. Next cut will be quarter sawn tomorrow and will show nice quarter grain. Mouth full for 18 inch saw: Lack of obvious growth rings: judging from slight radial swirl markings center of tree looks to be at upper right of photo. Will use as reference for quarter sawing.:
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Post by 1dave on Jun 3, 2022 19:58:34 GMT -5
I think I see them -
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Post by 1dave on Jun 3, 2022 20:06:34 GMT -5
Perhaps buried, petrified, then washed into position much later?
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Post by jamesp on Jun 4, 2022 8:14:18 GMT -5
Perhaps buried, petrified, then washed into position much later? Well this transport question was clearly solved on this trip. Thanks for bringing this up. Up until this trip I had found some(transportable) 1 foot whole leg segments. Believe me I had been looking for long logs and this location is loaded with them. Rest assured these silicified logs are too fractured to move in 2 foot lengths much less the 40 foot lengths found. This wood was silicified in situ at more like +/-10 feet of elevation. The beauty of wood is that it is delicate. These logs survived heat and shock. That leaves flood or shoreline transport or low shock like Mt St Helen shock levels as live wood transport methods. By the way, it sure seems the local geologist is uncomfortable discussing the Alabama wood deposits perhaps because it screams flood theory... Don't you think that a meteor strike of Chicxulub magnitude so close to south Alabama would have likely vaporized and/or cooked the logs ? And scattered the logs to elevations ranging from 200 to 800 feet in elevation close by instead of a narrow band of +/-20 feet in elevation(suggesting a shoreline deposit) ? A reminder, the Gulf of Mexico shore along Texas/Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama/Georgia is the largest sand deposit in the world basically filling up the north side of the chicxulub impact. The outflow sediment of the Mississippi River slopes to 3000 feet deep where river transported sediment is also filling the north side of the chicxulub impact and is one of the renowned fishing locations in the world. Impact first, flooding second, receding water third. Plus the violent mixing and erosive effects of tsunami cycles after impact. The sand and river deposit had to have happened after the strike. This wood was deposited by wave action of a deeper fixed level temporary early ocean i.e. the Fall Line ocean. All evidence points to this. Betting the geologists would have a difficult time disproving this theory if they made an onsite visit. They know wood is trickling down these creeks from some serious source. There is 300+ miles of linear creeks and river paths in a 50 by 30 mile circle sprinkled with pet wood. The geologists are not stupid, they can track the woods origins. They know damn well the wood is coming from the Fall Line shore line. Every piece of it points to flood theory. Yes they have a job to maintain and can't bring flood theory to the table without getting a pink slip. I think the geologists are well aware of the petrified wood found at +/-20 feet of elevation along the +300 mile Fall Line shoreline of Alabama(and into Georgia's Fall Line). And it has flood written all over it. Logs float ! You have the largest dead pure kaolin deposit in the world at the base of Georgia's Fall Line and the largest sand deposit in the world below the entire Fall Line. The kaolin deposit is so pure that it almost had to be caused by high speed cavitation inducing receding flood water over pure granite with no other injected impurities over a very short time period. Well, the kaolin is laced with hard sections of marine critters, only teeth and shells. Too many full fractures to transport these logs Dave. A large screwdriver easily pries the sections apart: This one is 40 feet long. Had to be silicified in situ, too many fractures to transport.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 4, 2022 8:19:48 GMT -5
I think I see them - Exactly the way I see it Dave, especially the radially parallel rings in the upper right. I cut a quarter sawn slab and a flat cut slab. They have the same look as all the others, only the quarter sawn cut shows excellent grain. I'll post shortly. closer in of upper right. Look at white zone closely:
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Post by jamesp on Jun 4, 2022 10:03:01 GMT -5
So the 35 pound block sawed out to a lot of lapidary grade(ok in my opinion) material. The block was cross cut, quarter cut and flat cut(lumber sawing terminologies). The entirety of the block(why couldn't it have been 50% Australian grade fire opal fill !!). Quarter sawn at upper left, flat sawn upper right, and cross cut lower left and lower right: Close up of quarter sawn along edge and somewhat bleached out for it. Pick a more internal cut to get the deeper reds or black zones: Close up of flat sawn, these are often with blotchy patterns, rich red and not bleached: and a repeat of the cross sawn version for comparison purposes:
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Post by 1dave on Jun 4, 2022 10:25:52 GMT -5
ALL you say is . . . . . . I wrote about petrifying wood back in 2014 - And this is the state at which your wood was before being buried and then petrifying.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 4, 2022 11:09:32 GMT -5
The location is a bit difficult to access due to steel slopes. The geology is a bit drab there. Many rock hunters wouldn't bother going there. The land is a fairly large holding divided into sections ranging from 6 to 80 acres. Maybe totalling 300 acres. Used for hunting only. A camp is there with 5 medium sized campers and actively used. I have been sneaking on it to see where the best wood supply may be. It has been in two families names for a long time. The family is local living from there to the city next to me in Atlanta. I am approaching them slowly. Hopefully their gate will be open and can meet them in person(which may make me lose the purchase lol). The county records are confusing at the point I am looking at making an offer on. Plus studying comparable that have sold in the area which isn't many. There appears to be an extension surrounding the creek 1000 feet long that would be my choice. It is like a 300 foot wide appendage and I doubt they ever go on. But it has value for small lots with the big creek's frontage. Creek is beautiful with a dozen low waterfalls, real pretty. 2.3 miles of gravel road to get there. Looks like it could be divided to 4 lots and a lot or two could be sold to get the balance for free. Jim, I think your approach is the best. You can ignore the "rockhounds" pressuring you for a location. I have had experience with such folks and their behavior with the West Texas Ranches. They managed to get 2 or 3 places permanently closed with their behavior. One individual whom I will not name was actually guiding folks for a fee out to a couple places to collect without the landowners knowledge figuring that he would not get caught due to the remoteness of the places. Well he got caught and the landowner vowed to never let rockhounds on his property. I think it's taken a good bit of hard work by Teri Smith to get a couple opened back up. Good luck! It is a shame that people leave garbage and mess Henry. And trespass. Thankful we have access to navigable waterways here. But you are not supposed to get out of the boat and touch ground to be perfectly legal. Mrs. Smith has the right way. As an agent she can protect the landowners to a point. The landowners in west Texas are really strict about trespassers and understandably. The best part of Texas for collecting is Lake Falcon(and other public lakes) where the entire shoreline is fair game. I was curious how your surgery went yesterday. How are you ? It was an involved operation. I know you came thru fine being a gristly ole heat loving Texan. Did the surgeon have to use a skilsaw to get thru that thick hide ?
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Post by jamesp on Jun 4, 2022 11:22:41 GMT -5
ALL you say is . . . . . . I wrote about petrifying wood back in 2014 - And this is the state at which your wood was before being buried and then petrifying. It is a question regarding the condition of the wood at petrification. The fracture lines seem more similar to rock fractures in this Alabama wood. Oddly many of the fractures run at angles to the grain which is peculiar for wood and common in stone. The more decomposed version in your photo would serve well as a sponge to absorb silica and explain the 90 degree fractures in the whole logs well. Again the thin slices across the grain represent 80% of the best silicifications probably due to the exposed vascular capillaries. It sure would be a good thing to know how long it takes to silicify.
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Post by HankRocks on Jun 4, 2022 11:49:01 GMT -5
Jim, I think your approach is the best. You can ignore the "rockhounds" pressuring you for a location. I have had experience with such folks and their behavior with the West Texas Ranches. They managed to get 2 or 3 places permanently closed with their behavior. One individual whom I will not name was actually guiding folks for a fee out to a couple places to collect without the landowners knowledge figuring that he would not get caught due to the remoteness of the places. Well he got caught and the landowner vowed to never let rockhounds on his property. I think it's taken a good bit of hard work by Teri Smith to get a couple opened back up. Good luck! It is a shame that people leave garbage and mess Henry. And trespass. Thankful we have access to navigable waterways here. But you are not supposed to get out of the boat and touch ground to be perfectly legal. Mrs. Smith has the right way. As an agent she can protect the landowners to a point. The landowners in west Texas are really strict about trespassers and understandably. The best part of Texas for collecting is Lake Falcon(and other public lakes) where the entire shoreline is fair game. I was curious how your surgery went yesterday. How are you ? It was an involved operation. I know you came thru fine being a gristly ole heat loving Texan. Did the surgeon have to use a skilsaw to get thru that thick hide ? It's been 4 weeks since surgery, start Cardiac Rehab next week. Heart Rate is still above normal due to the fact that to make the valve repair they had to cut the heart open which disturbs the electric charge the heart depends on. The most difficult part of this has been the in-activity, it's just not me!!!. I did clamp a 30 pound piece of Sodalite on the 24 inch saw before the surgery and have been "sneaking out past the patrols" to take a slab every other day. Hope to get the tumblers going after re-hab starts next week. I have a couple other large candidates for the 24" that I will wrangle up some help to get on the 24" saw. Have you managed to polish any of this wood yet?, or have I missed it? It's definitely odd with no pattern, appears to be some cousin to Palm Wood. I might even venture that the replacement method "lost" some of the plant structure pattern.
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Post by Son Of Beach on Jun 4, 2022 13:11:01 GMT -5
Those big chunks would make really nice book ends.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2022 4:40:22 GMT -5
It is a shame that people leave garbage and mess Henry. And trespass. Thankful we have access to navigable waterways here. But you are not supposed to get out of the boat and touch ground to be perfectly legal. Mrs. Smith has the right way. As an agent she can protect the landowners to a point. The landowners in west Texas are really strict about trespassers and understandably. The best part of Texas for collecting is Lake Falcon(and other public lakes) where the entire shoreline is fair game. I was curious how your surgery went yesterday. How are you ? It was an involved operation. I know you came thru fine being a gristly ole heat loving Texan. Did the surgeon have to use a skilsaw to get thru that thick hide ? It's been 4 weeks since surgery, start Cardiac Rehab next week. Heart Rate is still above normal due to the fact that to make the valve repair they had to cut the heart open which disturbs the electric charge the heart depends on. The most difficult part of this has been the in-activity, it's just not me!!!. I did clamp a 30 pound piece of Sodalite on the 24 inch saw before the surgery and have been "sneaking out past the patrols" to take a slab every other day. Hope to get the tumblers going after re-hab starts next week. I have a couple other large candidates for the 24" that I will wrangle up some help to get on the 24" saw. Have you managed to polish any of this wood yet?, or have I missed it? It's definitely odd with no pattern, appears to be some cousin to Palm Wood. I might even venture that the replacement method "lost" some of the plant structure pattern. Sorry Henry. You had your surgery on May 3 not June 3. I must be losing my mind. Spring farm work has had me busting my butt. Please don't sneak around and do stuff your aren't supposed to be doing. Give it a few months and heal man. I spent two 5 month stints in a wheelchair having each ankle fused. I'm a restless person too but I wanted to be able to walk. Do what the Doc says. I have no idea what this wood or plant is. Lol, maybe a tree/palm cross if such exists. It does appear to have lost it's patterns. It does have faint growth rings so it must not be palm but it has no limb knots so mystery abounds. One specimen seemed to have sapwood. I plan to collect and cut larger chunks for the next trips. Maybe they will give answers. Stay well and do what the doctor says. Those rocks will be waiting for you.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2022 4:55:49 GMT -5
Those big chunks would make really nice book ends. The bold creek has broken up most of the fractured material Chad. The larger chunks left in the creek that are water polished seem to be solid by test of violent water tumbling. Truckloads of the big chunks perfect for a larger 24 inch saw just waiting. Hauling them out of the creek is the issue. If it was my property I could easily cut a 4wd road to the shoals in a day and load the jeep. Better if I had a younger partner that was interested in starting a bookend/lamp business. Laws may prohibit mass removal. The creek does have a bedrock bottom which may allow heavy collecting of creek cobbles as they are allowed to do in Tennessee at certain waterways. Alabama does allow creek gravel removal in some creeks in the area.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 5, 2022 5:12:10 GMT -5
Mount St Helens has been an eye opener for much younger earth theory. 1)Wood silicification may(does) not take very long. 2)Vertically deposited trees cause deception. 3)Tropical and cold climate trees petrified together. petrifiedwoodmuseum.org/SpecimenRidge.htm: "Will trees buried in these lahar deposits eventually become petrified? Karowe & Jefferson (1987) examined the wood found at Mount St. Helens for the initial stages of silicification. Wood buried in the 1980 eruptions showed no significant silica deposition. Wood buried in 1885 and A.D. 1450-1550 exhibited silica deposition on cell walls along with some decomposition." "The apparent increase in silica deposition over time was an exciting find." Vertical deposition of trees at Mt St Helens cancels claims that they grew in situ: " Trees buried in situ at Mount St. Helens share similar characteristics with fossil trees exposed at Specimen Ridge. Upright trees at Specimen Ridge are tall, with their sheared off tops coinciding with the upper surface of the mudflow units in which they were encased. The upper portions of the trees were poorly preserved. The root systems of the fossil trees penetrate a finer-grained matrix that is laterally continuous for many meters and positioned below the volcanic sediments (Karowe & Jefferson, 1987, pp. 201 & 202). Trees from tropical and cold environments are silicified together - due to repeated depositions at various climates or rapid deposit by large tsunami flooding over large areas both tropical and cold ?: "The cyclic nature of mudflow deposits through time at Mount St. Helens illustrates how successive lahars can bury and preserve portions of forests representing different ages. Species of fossil wood that, today, exhibit different climatic tolerances are found at Yellowstone. Climatic changes occurring between mudflows of different ages could help to explain how tree species exhibiting different climatic tolerances can be found in the same location." Massive repeated rapid tsunami deposition by tsunami generated by meteor impact or deposits over long periods of time ? The tree mix is both from tropical and cold climates... Vertical wall cut by water finally receding...?: Virgin forests(trees 3 to 5 feet in diameter on average) in the US since 1610. Average eastern hardwood and conifer age likely 400 to 800 years old when they die naturally if conditions are favorable. Young in geological time frames.
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Post by 1dave on Jun 5, 2022 5:49:20 GMT -5
I believe Fig 4 above is from Yellowstone.
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