chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Aug 20, 2010 10:58:30 GMT -5
Bipartisanship does not mean you wait until talks have been exhausted , studies have been finished, subcommittees have argued until they are blue in the face, concessions have been made back and forth, and the bill is ready to be passed into law. Now we want to hold it up and discuss this or that.
Obama has made it clear that any idea will be discussed and if you have a better idea it will be discussed. In that regard he is like Bill Clinton; They are pragmatists who like reality and understand that they are not the only people who can think and act. The Republicans stalled every idea put forth on Health Care until it was clear that the Dems were going to be able to pass a bill into law. Then they wanted to stall it more. The country needs all the best ideas and when the Reps refuse to talk and just say no, that hurts us all. I don't want HealthCare to be a Dem issue, it affects us all. People who lose their jobs need HC, at least catastrophic care to protect the assets they have worked their whole life for. Charlie
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 20, 2010 11:20:55 GMT -5
Oh but Charlie, health care is a Dem issue. The Reps were closed out of meetings. They weren't allowed to bring any ideas forward. Pelosi and Reed did everything behind closed doors. We the people, The people who pay their wages, weren't allowed to see what was in the bills being passed. Remember words by Pelosi to the effect that we'd know what was in the bill after it was passed. Remember Obamas promise of a " transparent government"? Nothing transparent about closed door meetings that we the people, and the Reps were closed out of. " Change we can believe in". Yeh right ! Change to Socialism. Don
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Aug 20, 2010 11:28:20 GMT -5
Rich: Perhaps what you've pointed out is happening because we can no longer trust the facts provided to us due to the "fact" that almost everyone these days seems to believe if you tell a lie often enough, it somehow becomes the truth. This is especially true with the folks we should be able to trust, our rulers, our media, and our scientists. I've lived long enough to believe in the "trust no one " point of view. I find that if you base your feelings and decisions on what you personally experience or observe rather than what some bullsh*t artist like Obama, some scientist fishing for a government grant, or some media flak tells you, you'll come much closer to seeing the truth. As I see it, most the problems we have in this country are due to the fact that we've become a bunch of sheep that no longer depend on our own thoughts or actions but rather let a bunch of liars do the thinking and make decisions for us. for us.....Mel
Chas: Man, every time I read one of your rosy posts, it makes me think Massachusetts must be on another friggin planet. I know ya mean well and in an ideal world, well maybe things would be cool but the world ain't ideal. You're like the teacher who wants everyone to have an "A" so they don't feel bad or the coach who gives every one a trophy even when they have two left feet. Actually, the world is all about survival of the fittest, winners and losers etc. Except in Massachusetts, I guess. Is that why they called the Kennedy's citizens of Camelot? *L*.....Mel
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 20, 2010 11:39:22 GMT -5
Yup Chas, the health care bill was so popular even among Dems that they had to bribe their own party to vote for it. Yeah man, we are just cruising right along aren't we?
C'mon November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Curt
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Post by parfive on Aug 20, 2010 12:05:39 GMT -5
Jake - So I guess Cheney’s a socialist too. You do remember his open door energy task force, right? The one with the secret meetings, policies written by the likes of BP, stone-walled to the max.
Curt – Maybe they were watchin’ and learnin’ when Tom DeLay rammed through an UNPAID FOR Medicare drug bill. Funny how none of today’s teabaggers got their panties in a bunch on that one.
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 20, 2010 12:18:35 GMT -5
Rich Never have said the Reps are much better. What I am saying is that gridlock is much better than what is happening now. After we get gridlock, we can start weeding out all the people that want to take us the wrong way.
And yes, Republicans went completely asleep and let the party run amok. The Tea Party was started just because of that. You are intelligent and know a lot about politics Rich, but you seem to know nothing about the Tea Party except what you have heard on Liberal news. Do some research. They are running Republicans out of the primaries right and left.
Curt
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 20, 2010 12:28:02 GMT -5
I never said that I agreed with everything the Bush admin did. But I thank God Gore wasn't in office when 9/11 happened. I don't hold allegiance to the Reps, Dems , Tea Party or any other group. I pay attention to the candidates, watch who they align themselves with, Listen carefully to their plans for this country and vote accordingly. I could not in good faith vote for Obama. I certainly could not vote for nut case Gore. And as a retired serviceman, I could not vote for draft dodger Clinton. I'm an independent. I will remain independent until the day they drop me in the ground. And as an independent, I will vote for and continue to fight for my constitutional rights.
Don
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Post by parfive on Aug 20, 2010 13:17:06 GMT -5
Let’s see . . . the national debt goes bonkers under Bush, he starts a war and lowers taxes to pay for it, hands the farm over to corporate Amerika, and on and on and on . . . no biggie, right? . . . and then the darkie moves into the White House and the shit hits the fan . . . my god!!! what have we done? Just wonderin’
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 20, 2010 13:24:33 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it can't possibly be his agenda, nooooooooooooooo, it must be because he is black. Can't possibly be his policies, nooooooooo way.
You're better than that Rich. Leave the race card in the deck.
Curt
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Post by parfive on Aug 20, 2010 13:30:00 GMT -5
Kindly explain to me the run on ammunition the day after election day.
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Post by parfive on Aug 20, 2010 13:33:06 GMT -5
Curt - That’s whatcha call bait, just like how this thread started: arrogant,radical,idiotic democraps ;D
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 20, 2010 15:50:43 GMT -5
Sorry, I took a nap............. ;D
The run on ammunition the day after he was elected was due to out and out fear that he would either ban guns or more likely ban ammunition. That is still a very real possibility unless we get enough Reps to defeat any Dem attack on the second amendment.
Curt
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Aug 20, 2010 16:57:23 GMT -5
I myself believe that incompetent aholes have no color. I dislike Reid, Frank, and Pelosi at least as much as Obama, maybe even more. It's because of politics and policy not color, but Dems, when all logic fails, just love to haul out the tired old race card. And, blaming Bush is just growing tiresome. Obama had lots of chances to help make things better but instead chose to drive the country even further into debt in his endless quest for votes and power. I don't much care for Palin because I think she lacks experience to be a good president and I really dislike Steel, the Republican party leader, because he actually could actually be a bigger doofus than the Pres....Mel
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Post by parfive on Aug 21, 2010 11:56:18 GMT -5
". . . due to out and out fear that he would either ban guns or more likely ban ammunition."Yeah, but that was only if you were rounded up by a U.N. posse and dumped in a FEMA concentration camp. Read the campaign literature next time.
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 21, 2010 12:18:55 GMT -5
I'm not worried. I have around 2,000 rounds stored away in water tight containers. Don
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Post by parfive on Aug 21, 2010 12:57:59 GMT -5
water tight containers
Good thinkin'!! 100-year-floods have lost all track of time lately. ;D
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