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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 16, 2014 11:40:11 GMT -5
That's if you're lucky. : ) No, if you're lucky you get a fancy box and a hole in the ground. (My wife just finished paying for my box). LOL
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 16, 2014 12:06:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with booth Lee and Jim. It ain't about truth, it ain't about facts, and it ain't about which party is in power ( though one can always be worse than the other) It's about the money and the power which go hand in hand in gaining control over others, bringing certain folks to the top of the food chain.
It's also about selfishness. Man's drive to reproduce unchecked has caused overpopuation, the main driver of all our problems. No matter how you cut it, a pool of resources ( money, food, land, water, whatever) can only be divided among so many people. Haves and have nots are inevitable and real equality is simply a fool's dream. Under any political structure, you will still find those at the top of the food chain that get rich and powerful. That's just the way it is....Mel
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Post by parfive on Apr 16, 2014 12:09:05 GMT -5
Yeah, well, my sell-by date’s only a couple of years off, yours is in the rearview. : )
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Post by mohs on Apr 16, 2014 12:15:23 GMT -5
i'm trying to be cheerful here and the truth is so damn depressing thanks guys for keeping me honest
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 16, 2014 12:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah, well, my sell-by date’s only a couple of years off, yours is in the rearview. : ) Nah Rich. When I retired from the Navy, I told them I was gonna collect that retirement check unti I reached 110. Still got 38 years to go.
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Post by 1dave on Apr 18, 2014 10:02:00 GMT -5
Really? You're gonna call NASA & The Pentagon liars? The latter maybe, but not the former. Your gonna call the majority of the world's climate scientists liars just so it can fit into your warped worldview spoon fed to you by talk radio personalities who make millions feeding you this garbage? Every scientist or documentary does talk about the geological record, the ice cores, the warming and cooling periods and they all point to how we have entered new territory. Show us where I am lying or being lied to. " A new NASA study shows Earth's climate likely will continue to warm during this century on track with previous estimates, despite the recent slowdown in the rate of global warming. This research hinges on a new and more detailed calculation of the sensitivity of Earth's climate to the factors that cause it to change, such as greenhouse gas emissions. Drew Shindell, a climatologist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, found Earth is likely to experience roughly 20 percent more warming than estimates that were largely based on surface temperature observations during the past 150 years. Shindell's paper on this research was published March 9 in the journal Nature Climate Change. " www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20140311/washingtonexaminer.com/pentagon-warns-of-climate-change-threat-multipliers/article/2545075"The effects of climate change are "threat multipliers" that will force the Pentagon to rethink how it engages in training, missions and humanitarian aid around the world, the Defense Department said Tuesday in its Quadrennial Defense Review. The review, released every four years, steps up calls made to address climate change in the last version. It noted climate change would "aggravate stressors" such as "poverty, environmental degradation, political instability and social tensions — conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence." As for insurance, A. The government is not involved, it's all private insurance unless you are receiving medicare, medical, etc. The reason it's covered is because it costs a hell of a lot more to have a baby, than to pay for a pill each month. If the gov. was involved we'd have the public option, but no way in hell would insurance companies let that happen. Answer my question, why are the rich getting obscenely rich while the middle class gets shafted? "Really? You're gonna call NASA & The Pentagon liars?" Absolutely!They have been caught red handed fudging the data and are doubling down! What a bunch of clowns. As for the President and his whole administration, might as well listen to a hair dryer.
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Post by 1dave on Apr 18, 2014 10:17:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with booth Lee and Jim. It ain't about truth, it ain't about facts, and it ain't about which party is in power ( though one can always be worse than the other) It's about the money and the power which go hand in hand in gaining control over others, bringing certain folks to the top of the food chain. It's also about selfishness. Man's drive to reproduce unchecked has caused overpopuation, the main driver of all our problems. No matter how you cut it, a pool of resources ( money, food, land, water, whatever) can only be divided among so many people. Haves and have nots are inevitable and real equality is simply a fool's dream. Under any political structure, you will still find those at the top of the food chain that get rich and powerful. That's just the way it is....Mel Mel, The problem is people with control needs! Mix that with uninformed voters and you get our mess. They will worm in anywhere they think they can get control. The more they TRY to control, the more out of control they become. Look at Harry Reid! They project having what they feel they don't have. The results are Napoleons and Obamas. As for population, that depends on attitude. Right now, Japan is depopulating itself into non-existence.
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 18, 2014 13:58:52 GMT -5
*L* I've read that "IMHO" dirt bag Reid has been in the pocket of the Chinese for years. Him and Dem buds have been selling out energy resources and resource lands to those folks for years. GW Bush blocked it but since the Obamination got into office, China has been buying into American land leases and energy companies right and left. Read Reid has some kind of connection to a Chinese wind energy company that's wants Nevada BLM land, Probably Bundy's ranch. Don't your believe these land grabs are about tortoises. Now Reid calls the States rights land folks who don't believe BLM should do these land grabs, terrorists while having hundreds of gun carrying feds try to take a guys cattle and threatening women and children. Local lands should be under the domain of local state government. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the BLM to own or grab up land. Feds only allowed to take land for government ports or military bases period, not for endangered species or sale to China.......Mel
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Post by halitedigger on Apr 19, 2014 13:15:07 GMT -5
*L* I've read that "IMHO" dirt bag Reid has been in the pocket of the Chinese for years. Him and Dem buds have been selling out energy resources and resource lands to those folks for years. GW Bush blocked it but since the Obamination got into office, China has been buying into American land leases and energy companies right and left. Read Reid has some kind of connection to a Chinese wind energy company that's wants Nevada BLM land, Probably Bundy's ranch. Don't your believe these land grabs are about tortoises. Now Reid calls the States rights land folks who don't believe BLM should do these land grabs, terrorists while having hundreds of gun carrying feds try to take a guys cattle and threatening women and children. Local lands should be under the domain of local state government. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the BLM to own or grab up land. Feds only allowed to take land for government ports or military bases period, not for endangered species or sale to China.......Mel This is why your side is losing. You guys spout things that have no foundation in reality and you think no one will call you on it. You deny science, math, logic and the consensus the rest of the industrialized world. You live in a Faux news, right wing radio bubble. Article 4 of the constitution absolutely gives the Federal Government rights to land and property. The BLM is the Federal Government. READ the court judgement below not some right wing blogger. Again, you spout garbage with no one to call you on it. The "proposed" Chinese solar farm was to be near Laughlin which is pretty far from Mesquite. Additionally the project was cancelled in 2013. READ THIS FROM THE LAS VEGAS SUN. www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/17/facts-disprove-conspiracy-theory-about-sen-harry-r/As for the Bundy situation, those right wing militia nuts with guns absolutely are terrorists. Anyone who takes up a sniper position aiming at a Federal Officer, Police, Etc. is a terrorist. His/her intent is sedition, terror fighting for a deadbeat criminal. If a black man, latino, asian, OWS protester, etc did anything even remotely like that they would be dead or facing years in prison. The sick bastard who said they would put the women in front to be shot first, well that is the same mentality as the Al Qaeda. The BLM absolutey were in the right. The guy owes over $1mil and has been pulling this crap for 20 years. He's a deadbeat, as you guys like to say a "Taker". He says he doesn't recognize the Feds, well he's gonna. Every rancher in the US pays their fees, why shouldn't this freak? Try telling the IRS you aren't going to pay them because you don't recognize them. It's amazing the difference between the right and left. While we protest peacefully, get pepper sprayed, arrested, etc. your side almost always brings guns and tries to shoot their way out. Read the court's ruling and weep. You guys are so full of half truths and misinformation. Read the court judgement. www.scribd.com/doc/218116757/1998-U-S-Dist-LEXIS-23835Which leads me to Oligarchy, and we're living in it thanks to Raygun and people like you who voted for Republicans which brought about offshore tax havens, capital gains tax rates, etc. as well as Citizens United and McCuteon. A report has come that confirming we are living in an Oligarchy, a Fascist one. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2014/04/is-america-an-oligarchy.html The one from Princeton, ya know one of those sciencey places called universities where they deal in facts, math, etc., says "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence. Our results provide substantial support for theories of Economic Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism." But, but it's the Socialists who are controlling everything. Ya, that's why the Kochs, Waltons, Adelsons, Murdochs, Pedersons etc. all right wing billionaires, continue to amass their wealth and spend it on groups like Freedomworks, Americans For Prosperity, The Tea Party, Cross Roads, Hertiage Foundation, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, etc. under the tyranny of Obamunism. I have no delusions that we on the left have some serious house cleaning to do, Feinstein being at the top of the list, but our side at least tries to fight for the working people. The right are wholly owned by the 1%, the oligarchs, the fascists. Money=power and the right have most of the billionaires squarely on their side. I honestly feel bad for you guys, the blindfolds are coming off that you have been lied to and misled time and time again and you refuse to admit it. This country prospered when unions were strong, taxes on the wealthy were high and their power was kept in check. Now all of those things are gone and we are living in the results.
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Post by cpdad on Apr 19, 2014 14:32:07 GMT -5
it's some frigging cattle eating grass...on land the frigging cattle have been eating grass from for 130 years.
ya...the big ol gov needs to be held in check by whatever means....when the BLM points sniper rifles at a family...whether they are on the right or wrong of some court papers...it's just court papers......not a terrorist plot that requires snipers...but once snipers were deployed to watch a family in violation of some court papers....folks need to be deployed to watch the snipers.
it's just cows eating grass...same grass they have been eating for 130 years once again...kev.
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 19, 2014 15:49:30 GMT -5
Starting to think Helen has come back to haunt us under another new name. Halite is just as long winded as she was.
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Post by mohs on Apr 19, 2014 15:55:36 GMT -5
Don’t have a dog in this hunt Only a steer mooostly
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Post by owyhee on Apr 19, 2014 20:00:08 GMT -5
All I know is if you run your car with the garage door shut.........you will DIE! The earth has a closed door, so where do the gases go? Look at all of the cars you are bitching at during rush hour and that is in every city in the world. Don't need anyone to tell me that is no good. Breath Deep the air is fine.
Climate Warming is a smoke screen for the real problem clean air and water.
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 19, 2014 20:38:29 GMT -5
*LOL* We raise cattle here too and all I can say so I'm glad we don't have hardly any federal land in Texas and don't have a lot of government excuse makers like Halite here either. Nice to live in a state where state's rights means something and government doesn't want to gun you down because your cattle eat a little grass. I personally believe BLM land grabs and ownership is an over reach by the federal government and the feds have absolutely no rights to BLM land in the first place ( steals such lands from local tax rolls too) so sending armed federal cops into a state to threaten folks over "grass" is just thuggish and even violates the law which says such matters are to be handled by local police. US code 43 USC section 1733 subsection C. BLM has no right, under the law, to assume peremptory police powers. That role is to be assigned to local law enforcement.....Mel
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Post by parfive on Apr 20, 2014 0:42:02 GMT -5
Too bad this POS isn’t grazing state* land somewhere. His million dollar theft would be at least two million.
On private land, $12.4 million.
Typical grazing fees per animal unit (cow and calf)
$1.35/month on federal BLM land
$16.80/month on private land (average of 11 western states)
$2.28 - $150/month on state land $2.28 Arizona $3.19 New Mexico $3.92 - $7 Utah $4.64 Wyoming $5.12 Idaho $6.12 min. Montana $8.34 - $20.83 Oklahoma $10.82 South Dakaota $22.50 - $38 Nebraska $65 - $150 Texas
* Nevada doesn’t manage grazing on state land, therefore no fee information.
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Post by parfive on Apr 20, 2014 0:49:36 GMT -5
Doubtful this POS ever read The Constitution of the State of Nevada. : ) Article 1, Section 2. Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.
All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 20, 2014 2:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 20, 2014 9:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by parfive on Apr 20, 2014 11:53:35 GMT -5
” But Bundy does not recognize federal authority on the land, which his family has used since the 1870s.” Guess who bought it in 1848, a’hole? Cochise looks down from above, turns to Geronimo and says, “WTF’s that POS doin’ on our land?”
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Post by bushmanbilly on Apr 20, 2014 12:25:30 GMT -5
*L* I've read that "IMHO" dirt bag Reid has been in the pocket of the Chinese for years. Him and Dem buds have been selling out energy resources and resource lands to those folks for years. GW Bush blocked it but since the Obamination got into office, China has been buying into American land leases and energy companies right and left. Read Reid has some kind of connection to a Chinese wind energy company that's wants Nevada BLM land, Probably Bundy's ranch. Don't your believe these land grabs are about tortoises. Now Reid calls the States rights land folks who don't believe BLM should do these land grabs, terrorists while having hundreds of gun carrying feds try to take a guys cattle and threatening women and children. Local lands should be under the domain of local state government. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for the BLM to own or grab up land. Feds only allowed to take land for government ports or military bases period, not for endangered species or sale to China.......Mel This is why your side is losing. You guys spout things that have no foundation in reality and you think no one will call you on it. You deny science, math, logic and the consensus the rest of the industrialized world. You live in a Faux news, right wing radio bubble. Article 4 of the constitution absolutely gives the Federal Government rights to land and property. The BLM is the Federal Government. READ the court judgement below not some right wing blogger. Again, you spout garbage with no one to call you on it. The "proposed" Chinese solar farm was to be near Laughlin which is pretty far from Mesquite. Additionally the project was cancelled in 2013. READ THIS FROM THE LAS VEGAS SUN. www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/17/facts-disprove-conspiracy-theory-about-sen-harry-r/As for the Bundy situation, those right wing militia nuts with guns absolutely are terrorists. Anyone who takes up a sniper position aiming at a Federal Officer, Police, Etc. is a terrorist. His/her intent is sedition, terror fighting for a deadbeat criminal. If a black man, latino, asian, OWS protester, etc did anything even remotely like that they would be dead or facing years in prison. The sick bastard who said they would put the women in front to be shot first, well that is the same mentality as the Al Qaeda. The BLM absolutey were in the right. The guy owes over $1mil and has been pulling this crap for 20 years. He's a deadbeat, as you guys like to say a "Taker". He says he doesn't recognize the Feds, well he's gonna. Every rancher in the US pays their fees, why shouldn't this freak? Try telling the IRS you aren't going to pay them because you don't recognize them. It's amazing the difference between the right and left. While we protest peacefully, get pepper sprayed, arrested, etc. your side almost always brings guns and tries to shoot their way out. Read the court's ruling and weep. You guys are so full of half truths and misinformation. Read the court judgement. www.scribd.com/doc/218116757/1998-U-S-Dist-LEXIS-23835Which leads me to Oligarchy, and we're living in it thanks to Raygun and people like you who voted for Republicans which brought about offshore tax havens, capital gains tax rates, etc. as well as Citizens United and McCuteon. A report has come that confirming we are living in an Oligarchy, a Fascist one. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2014/04/is-america-an-oligarchy.html The one from Princeton, ya know one of those sciencey places called universities where they deal in facts, math, etc., says "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence. Our results provide substantial support for theories of Economic Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism." But, but it's the Socialists who are controlling everything. Ya, that's why the Kochs, Waltons, Adelsons, Murdochs, Pedersons etc. all right wing billionaires, continue to amass their wealth and spend it on groups like Freedomworks, Americans For Prosperity, The Tea Party, Cross Roads, Hertiage Foundation, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, etc. under the tyranny of Obamunism. I have no delusions that we on the left have some serious house cleaning to do, Feinstein being at the top of the list, but our side at least tries to fight for the working people. The right are wholly owned by the 1%, the oligarchs, the fascists. Money=power and the right have most of the billionaires squarely on their side. I honestly feel bad for you guys, the blindfolds are coming off that you have been lied to and misled time and time again and you refuse to admit it. This country prospered when unions were strong, taxes on the wealthy were high and their power was kept in check. Now all of those things are gone and we are living in the results.
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