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Post by parfive on Apr 28, 2015 12:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 28, 2015 12:58:25 GMT -5
Lake is getting hotter. Exponential evaporation takes over as canyon heats up and water gets shallower. Bad day at Black Rock. Better do something now. Betting they are not taking emergency action. It is time to. Past due. Keep eyes peeled on this one for the next 2 years. Went through some of this with Lake Lanier north of Atlanta about 4 years ago. No where near this magnitude. And we have great ground water. Remnants of a hurricane can fill Lake Lanier in a day or two. Not going to happen in that territory.
Bet the west side(sun facing) bluffs are hot enough to fry an egg on. And reflecting the sun's heat down on the water. Bad day.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 28, 2015 13:02:48 GMT -5
Been dropping for 14 years.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 28, 2015 13:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 28, 2015 13:16:00 GMT -5
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Post by parfive on Apr 28, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -5
Pump limit, eh? Chalk that puppy up in the You can pay me now column. If the water level drops 31 feet beyond that, to 1,050 feet, the Southern Nevada Water Authority would no longer be able to pump water from one of the two intake pipes that supply Las Vegas. Anticipating that possibility, the water agency began several years ago building a third intake in the bottom of the lake. The 20-foot-wide tunnel is being drilled underneath the lake at a cost of $817 million, and is scheduled to be finished [this] year.
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 28, 2015 13:20:04 GMT -5
Hey, if i can help? I can even toss in the postage for free.
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 28, 2015 15:12:17 GMT -5
Yep, Lake Mead is #1 on biggest disaster list due to drought. It is a huge lake and serves the most desperate clients. Not to mention power generation. And water is needed for nuc power. Las Vegas in a bind. Still our city officials still act like we have an unlimited water supply by allowing uncontrolled growth, letting casinos and housing developments to put in massive lakes and pools, adding a new water park......
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 28, 2015 15:16:03 GMT -5
Lake is getting hotter. Exponential evaporation takes over as canyon heats up and water gets shallower. Bad day at Black Rock. Better do something now. Betting they are not taking emergency action. It is time to. Past due. Keep eyes peeled on this one for the next 2 years. Went through some of this with Lake Lanier north of Atlanta about 4 years ago. No where near this magnitude. And we have great ground water. Remnants of a hurricane can fill Lake Lanier in a day or two. Not going to happen in that territory. Bet the west side(sun facing) bluffs are hot enough to fry an egg on. And reflecting the sun's heat down on the water. Bad day. Also add the facts that the lake is so polluted it has algal blooms that trap more solar heat further increasing he temperature of the water and the fact that the canyon walls slope in. So the further down you do the less water there is to begin with for every let's say 100 foot elevation.
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 28, 2015 15:19:04 GMT -5
Just want to clarify for not people familiar with the measurements that these ARE NOT the depth levels of the lake. These are measurements of the altitude above sea level. Even when at proper levels the deepest part of Lake Mead is only 700 feet deep, at the mouth of the canyon right behind the dam. The average depth of Lake Mead when full is only 400 feet.
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Post by parfive on Apr 28, 2015 16:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 28, 2015 16:31:16 GMT -5
Yes James, it is the first time in my life that I have ever seen a large American city on the verge of what looks like eminent disaster. Hurricanes damage property. Earthquakes really damage property and municipal structures. All rebuildable. But shortages are really more serious threats.
Eyes were opened by a documentary a few months ago. The abuse of water in Las Vegas was a puzzle to me. The effects of a drying lake were discussed in detail. The lower it gets, the hotter and narrower, etc. Algal blooms and intensifying pollution density so common with a drying lake was not discussed. And not so much emphasis on a 14 year almost steady drop. Drought and higher usage not good.
The whole saga is freaking me out. I have 3 small reservoirs on my property. Same game, just a smaller scale. Witnessed the devastation of a drying water body. Pollution in the form of fish kills and other aquatic animals and plants creates biological issues. Increased concentrations of any organic pollutants. Lake Powell right behind it.
There is no model to follow, as this lake has never been exposed to the heat at such low levels. Rate of evaporation is an unknown. Water temperature also. Wind adds to the equation, humidity levels.
I was curious about treating the water for drinking as the water quality continues to worsen.
Lots of issues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 21:55:36 GMT -5
Hey, if i can help? I can even toss in the postage for free. Wifey and I rotflmao!! Put my Addy on it!
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Post by 1dave on Apr 29, 2015 10:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 29, 2015 11:01:02 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering and doing a little internet research looking to see if there is any correlation regarding the idea of pole shifting? and the effects on drought striken areas, quakes and eruptions in recent years. I understand the poles are in constant movement and have been for billions of years, except in recent time it seems, and charts show something, that it's heading way off track? I cant say for certain this is even true documentation because of the lack of research or info on the internet. Whats your thought on this concept 1dave? Editing in: I've emphasized more towards the relation to pole shift and atmospheric weather patterns and systems. Not really quakes or ground shaking events.
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Post by 1dave on Apr 29, 2015 11:18:06 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering and doing a little internet research looking to see if there is any correlation regarding the idea of pole shifting? and the effects on drought striken areas, quakes and eruptions in recent years. I understand the poles are in constant movement and have been for billions of years, except in recent time it seems, and charts show something, that it's heading way off track? I cant say for certain this is even true documentation because of the lack of research or info on the internet. Whats your thought on this concept 1dave? That can get very complicated, especially with pole reversals which has happened thousands of times. Volcanic eruptions under the south Pacific Ocean causes El Nino and La Nina and it's fluctuations. I saw a documentary on Central America that went into a detailed account on a shift in the location of the high pressure zone that usually stays over the north Pacific, but moved south, causing Greenland to freeze and Meso-America to dry up and destroy the Maya civilization. With the sun's output varying, interstellar dust fluctuation, the earth's orbit constantly changing, continents bobbing up and down and crashing into each other, volcanic eruptions, landslides, earth quakes, nothing ever stays the same. Luckily by simply paying a carbon tax to Al Gore, we can fix all that.
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 29, 2015 11:23:44 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering and doing a little internet research looking to see if there is any correlation regarding the idea of pole shifting? and the effects on drought striken areas, quakes and eruptions in recent years. I understand the poles are in constant movement and have been for billions of years, except in recent time it seems, and charts show something, that it's heading way off track? I cant say for certain this is even true documentation because of the lack of research or info on the internet. Whats your thought on this concept 1dave? That can get very complicated, especially with pole reversals which has happened thousands of times. Volcanic eruptions under the south Pacific Ocean causes El Nino and La Nina and it's fluctuations. I saw a documentary on Central America that went into a detailed account on a shift in the location of the high pressure zone that usually stays over the north Pacific, but moved south, causing Greenland to freeze and Meso-America to dry up and destroy the Maya civilization. With the sun's output varying, interstellar dust fluctuation, the earth's orbit constantly changing, continents bobbing up and down and crashing into each other, volcanic eruptions, landslides, earth quakes, nothing ever stays the same. Luckily by simply paying a carbon tax to Al Gore, we can fix all that. Yes , true that is correct, there is a lot of different variables that can give you different results. Its a thought not many think could be one of the prime suspects in these ever changing weather patterns. It must play its role somehow in all this. Thanks 1dave.
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Post by parfive on Apr 29, 2015 14:21:54 GMT -5
Thirsty?
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Post by megalotis on Apr 29, 2015 16:23:13 GMT -5
Towing huge ice blocks from ice-bound Antarctica? I like it! These days, given our tendency toward self-destruction a la ancient Rome, I've been a little bit hesitant to accept some of the drought scare that's out there. I looked at the following cities to see if I could get an idea as to just how drought-stricken the U.S. really is. I found the following information, in order to compare average precipitation for certain U.S. cities, one from each general area of the country, to actual 2014 precipitation records. The information came from wunderground.com and currentresults.com. For the latter site, the averages were from data recorded for the years 1981 through 2010. For wunderground.com, I couldn't tell what years were encompassed by the averages. For the most part, the two sites reported identical, or nearly identical information. A couple of the cities were different by as much as 1, 2, or 3 inches. Not a big difference for a city like Atlanta, that gets around 50" per year, but significant for L.A., which only gets slightly over 10". Having said all that, here are the results: Atlanta, GA Average - 49.7 2014 - 46.91 Austin, TX Average - 34.2 2014 - 35.53 Baltimore, MD Average - 41.9 2014 - 52.58 Chicago, IL Average - 36.9 2014 - 41.7 Denver, CO Average - 15.6 2014 - 16.03 Portland, OR Average - 36.03 2014 - 40.11 Los Angeles Average - 12.5 2014 - 9.77 So only the southwestern representative location received a significant percentage below the reported average. The situation is greatly worsened by environmentally-motivated activity, which includes flushing LOTS of water down the rivers in order to hopefully benefit certain species. Please refer to the following articles for examples: cronkitenewsonline.com/2012/05/high-volume-releases-from-glen-canyon-dam-aim-to-improve-colorado-river/www.wsj.com/articles/forget-the-missing-rainfall-california-wheres-the-delta-smelt-1430085510Due to the release of extra CO river water from Lake Powell, the situation in LA and LV is affected in a significant way. You have to wonder where the reservoir levels would be without the extra releases. The delta smelt situation in CA is so egregious as to boggle the mind. We have seen the enemy and he is...us?
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Post by megalotis on Apr 29, 2015 16:32:33 GMT -5
Okay, still beating the dead horse...looking at the general area that supports the Colorado River system, I took a look at three general-area locations (many locations are not reported, so these were just the first three that I found data for):
Denver, CO Average - 15.6 2014 - 16.03 Laramie, WY Average - 10.92 2014 - 13.84 Grand Junction, CO Average - 9.42 2014 - 11.96
All of these cities received more precipitation in 2014 than their recent averages. I realize that these are only three examples, but I have to wonder about the drought, at least to some degree.
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