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Post by bushmanbilly on Apr 29, 2015 18:26:07 GMT -5
Can't get the vid to work. Would this be Douglas Mawson in one of the Akademik Shokalskiy life rafts Rich?
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Post by jamesp on Apr 30, 2015 18:44:43 GMT -5
High altitudes in the Smokey Mountains is suffering from low PH rain and fog. Check out the high acid red spots directly related to altitude in the park. Killing effects on the trees of low PH rain. I was shocked at the change. Having visited that park for 40 years. Heat map of Atlanta. Yes, concrete is warmer, but tree loss is large player in temperature increase. I live in the center of the white spot just south west of the city. I moved there 30 years ago because of the low population and mature forests. The white area south east of Atlanta is unpopulated due to shallow soil and underlaying solid granite preventing development. Trees grow fine, just not fit for sewage lines. Massive tree loss has occurred in Colorado. Due to pine bark beetle. That effects large amounts of snow accumulation that feeds the Colorado. Pine beetles here in Atlanta too. They strike during hardships like drought when trees are stressed. Or simply extended dry windy seasons. Dry wind, a beetle, a slight drought, many things can set things in motion to damage forests. In this case tree loss may have serious impacts. The Colorado River depends on stored water in the form of snow on the Rockies. It looks like precipitation was above average. Maybe it evaporates when falling during the hot season. And snow melt is more likely to make it downstream. Not sure. But tree loss is not good. Pine beetles are borers, very difficult to control with pesticides. Warfare here is to cut trees down around afflicted area. Then burn. Large scale attacks about unpreventable. Pine beetle damage started in Colorado about 20 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 23:39:50 GMT -5
California doesn't really have to worry for very long. When the side of the Hawaiian island falls off the tsunami that follows will fill all the lower lakes. Add a little desalinization and presto, all is well. And look at how many fewer people there will be to feed. It is going to fall into the ocean or the ocean is going to wash it clean. I wouldn't live there for any amount of rocks. I will stick it out here where Yellowstone is going to blast me to the moon.
News today is more depressing than any other time in my life. But I sure want to get on the waiting list so thirty years can be added to my life, then thirty more. "Ain't we got fun". But "happy days are here again" would be better.
Opinions may vary. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 5:32:46 GMT -5
Subject is depressing Jim. As is watching the news. May be healthier to avoid watching it. In this case nature has a powerful hand. At least it is more of a natural occurrence. It is the man made disasters that really get on our nerves. Looks like an innocent act of over population in the wrong place may cause serious problems. I would prefer to read about it in history, but now we are facing a real crippling modern day water shortage.
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 5:48:53 GMT -5
One county adjacent to Lake Lanier had to dig a new water intake to get water from the lake due to a drought in and around 2007. Forsyth County is growing leaps and bounds since. A premier area enjoying the close proximity to the lake. They dug a deep wet well and lowered the water intake substantially while the lake was low. They called it a 'redundant raw water intake'. It was not so redundant at the time of the drought. geo-sys.com/assets/cumming_rwi_geotech.pdf
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 6:20:19 GMT -5
Awareness of nature's cycles, discussion arising from 2007 drought: Andy Grundstein, an associate professor in the University of Georgia’s Department of Geography, isn’t ready to blame the emission of greenhouse gases on the region’s continuing drought, however. He recently compared 100-year soil and rainfall data and found that the periods of drought – even the exceptional ones – are part and parcel for the Southeast. “I didn’t see an increase in the number or intensity of droughts,” he said. “Yes, we’re in the midst of drought, but in the South, it’s been a cyclical thing. However, future patterns may change as the Earth continues to warm.” August of 2008 one storm ended the drought. Remnants of hurricane Fay. Nina/nino effects needed remnants of these storm's visits. One welcome hurricane.
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 6:41:29 GMT -5
Hurricane track history:
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 6:47:11 GMT -5
Subject is depressing Jim. As is watching the news. May be healthier to avoid watching it. In this case nature has a powerful hand. At least it is more of a natural occurrence. It is the man made disasters that really get on our nerves. Looks like an innocent act of over population in the wrong place may cause serious problems. I would prefer to read about it in history, but now we are facing a real crippling modern day water shortage. That was quite a project for just 100,000 people and it could be all for not if the drought continues and people will not come to realize that if they don't conserve now they are going to live in a mini hell or leave. The old photographs of the Oklahoma dust bowl should be posted everywhere. Those people did not have enough water to make spit and all ended up in California. People in this country have had it too soft and easy for a long time and if a crisis occurs they are going to have to just lay down and die because they have no survival skills. I am sure there are people that would use their drinking water to take a bath or wash their cloths. The photos of huge mansions in California with green green lawns and across the fence is dead, dried up nothing. Too many people want someone else to bite the bullet. I think a lot of people are going to have to get real thirsty before they learn that when no water comes out you had better pack a bag. Can you imagine what it would take to haul enough water into a place like Vegas just to keep the people alive. I remember the programs on TV back in the day showing the movements/migrations of the wildebeest in Africa and now I see hoards of automobiles moving en mass around the country from wet area to wet area drinking and showering until that place dries up then off they go again. Hmmm, I wonder where the water for making my diet soda comes from. I better check into that. BTW I was not joking about the tsunami hitting the west coast. Jeeze, if that happens there will be millions of people gone in what, an hour or two? Like trying to put the size of the universe into perspective. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 6:50:53 GMT -5
mohs can ride a hurricane over the west
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 6:57:44 GMT -5
Awareness of nature's cycles, discussion arising from 2007 drought: Andy Grundstein, an associate professor in the University of Georgia’s Department of Geography, isn’t ready to blame the emission of greenhouse gases on the region’s continuing drought, however. He recently compared 100-year soil and rainfall data and found that the periods of drought – even the exceptional ones – are part and parcel for the Southeast. “I didn’t see an increase in the number or intensity of droughts,” he said. “Yes, we’re in the midst of drought, but in the South, it’s been a cyclical thing. However, future patterns may change as the Earth continues to warm.” August of 2008 one storm ended the drought. Remnants of hurricane Fay. Nina/nino effects needed remnants of these storm's visits. One welcome hurricane. Amazing what people will wish for. Damn, if we could get a hurricane here it sure would get us out of this pickle. Jim
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 7:09:16 GMT -5
Well said @wampidy Jim. The thing about this Mead issue is 14 years of predictability. Numbers don't lie. This issue is starring them in the face right this second. Giving them time to adjust.
We dodged a big bullet when hurricane Fay just happened to wonder into our drought of 2007 in Aug 2008. We were totally lucky that it choose that path when it did. And during the limited hurricane season. Otherwise our goose would have been cooked.
Dust bowl came up on those folks like a cougar. Out of no where. Damn surprise attack.
The attitude at Lake Lanier is a bunch of rich SOB's that continued to water their mansion's lawn and continued to pay the stiff fines. I guess the town municipalities enjoyed the income. Money money money. It was funny from a boat. Brown lawn-green lawn-brown lawn-green lawn. Jone's yard was green, Smith's lawn brown. Thinking about Smith's attitude towards Jones. Neighborly love-probably not. Outrage was rampant.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 7:44:30 GMT -5
Many people have been killed over water and water rights. The stupid ones usually die (I hope). Bigger money, bigger guns though. I really hope it does not come to that. Jim
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Post by mohs on May 1, 2015 8:12:23 GMT -5
all our lives we sweat & save building for a shallow grave jdmosty™
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 9:22:41 GMT -5
Many people have been killed over water and water rights. The stupid ones usually die (I hope). Bigger money, bigger guns though. I really hope it does not come to that. Jim Small quarrels between small land owners out east until L Lanier and a few others came fairly recently. Some on the TVA lands. Most saved by the rain. TVA keeps Tennessee lakes full and Georgia lakes low LOL. Better for Georgia rockhounds. Out west I have seen it, and understandably so. Amazing it has worked out fairly well. Losses so far have been minimal, not sure what to expect if a city dries up. Many businesses were crushed by drought of 2007. Businesses and home shortages a different issue. Water hard to handle. And so much is needed. Awkward situation. Watching Mead w/concern.
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 9:23:59 GMT -5
all our lives we sweat & save building for a shallow grave jdmosty™ Is that a sand storm Ed ?
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Post by parfive on May 1, 2015 10:17:42 GMT -5
You people really should take better care of your water.
Have a nice day, Your pals @ Duke Energy
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Post by parfive on May 1, 2015 11:00:23 GMT -5
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one . . .
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Post by jamesp on May 1, 2015 11:09:01 GMT -5
I would imagine a lot of people will suffer parfive. You may turn this into a political issue. We just had an ice age. For the record, I believe in natural cycles.
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Post by mohs on May 1, 2015 11:10:22 GMT -5
all our lives we sweat & save building for a shallow grave jdmosty™ Is that a sand storm Ed ? yep! mostly dust though we used to just call them dust storms but that one a couple years ago was truly massive and went into the category of haboob there is another name for dust storm I'll have to look it up...
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Post by drocknut on May 1, 2015 11:26:54 GMT -5
Looks like a haboob jamesp. Ed, in Egypt we called them Khamasins.
In Montana there is also the devistation caused by the pine beetle. We cut down beetle kill trees a lot. They get wood borers in them after the beetles kill the trees. Sad to see the dead trees all over. It isn't unusual as beetle infestation has happened before in the 1920's and 1930's and then in the late 1970's. There are some differences in this go round because the winter have been too mild to kill off the beetles (plus too mild to make the Californians who move there leave..lol). Also there are more houses built in woodland areas so more people are seeing the dead trees. The drought in California and other western states like Montana is bad but not much we can do if momma nature wants it dry.
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