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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 24, 2015 12:29:26 GMT -5
Two terms at the helm. It is a surprise that Obama did not do more damage than he did when you look at many of his actions. Just think about a really deliberate strong individual as President with Obama's mindset. Be thankful that he is a moron. He's not done yet... Side bet - 5 bucks says he hands Gitmo back over to Cuba before he's out of office. I don't think he has the authority to do that but that hasn't stopped him so far.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jul 24, 2015 12:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 24, 2015 13:01:55 GMT -5
What are the odds that Obama tries to declare martial law before the next election ? Under martial law there will be no election, and the Socialist in Chief will remain in office.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 24, 2015 13:02:53 GMT -5
"Had we known, we would have picked the cotton ourselves." Good one captbob. And very true. The Mrs' said it-'change history', good catch.
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Post by spiritstone on Jul 24, 2015 13:03:34 GMT -5
Two terms at the helm. It is a surprise that Obama did not do more damage than he did when you look at many of his actions. Just think about a really deliberate strong individual as President with Obama's mindset. Be thankful that he is a moron.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 24, 2015 13:44:07 GMT -5
That's funny spirit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 14:57:23 GMT -5
I am no happier with what's going on than anyone else but putting all the blame on one man is ludicrous. There is a whole herd of people that need to be locked up or shot for all of their dealings. Killing the king will not change a thing. The others have gotten so powerful that they will continue as they wish. And the people that are trying for the top spot are just as scary as what we have now.
We can wish all we want but it is going to come crashing down one way or another. I am getting fat so I can either survive off myself longer or be more food for the ones that can dodge my bullets. What is that saying? "If you can't kill it, cure it" or something like that. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:26:58 GMT -5
You really do make this too easy. Just wish all the copy & paste stuff didn't take so long. captbobIf you were smarter you would just take the whole thing to a word program and write between the lines. Very simple."We have no petty differences but I was talking about the USA group as a whole." Okay, go with that then. What are the "petty differences" that "the USA group as a whole" are divided over? I'm still waiting to hear what you consider "petty differences". Pretty simple to figure out: flags, homophobia, gay marriage, Christianity, atheism, the price of rocks ;) etc, etc"I could never sit down with a self righteous, bigot, drunk driving fool and try to accomplish anything meaningful." Not that I could possibly care any less about your opinion (on anything), but is this supposed to be some sort of insinuation about me? Just want to be clear about that. No denial so I will go with it. "I keep harping on this but ya'll are just too damn thick headed. Gay people did not choose to be gay any more than ya'll chose to be straight." You get that from the same folks you get the global warming information from? I will grant that there may be a small percent that are born "that way". But, I contend that for most it is a choice. First I will address the global warming thing. I have posted to the contrary so I don't know why you always bring it up. Is it because I run closer to center instead of so right I can not make a left turn?Same as I can choose to prefer blondes over redheads (not that I do), I could choose to have a relationship with a male rather than with a woman (not that I would). Maybe it is easier for some people to deal with members of the same sex. Easier to understand, easier to please, easier however. Those people may choose to have such relationships. They choose this - they were not "born that way". Prove that simple hypothesis wrong or STFU about "gay people did not choose to be gay". I am not sure where you got the idea that the burden of proof is on me. You should have proven your side of the argument but you did not so here it is, my side. www.upworthy.com/coming-out-as-gay-may-seem-like-an-everyday-occurrence-now-but-nope-still-a-big-deal-heres-why?c=reccon2 www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/04/choose_to_be_gay_no_you_don_t.htmlIf the second one did not make you flinch or go eeeew then you have the choice to be gay which has to happen to be able to choose not to be gay. My turn, shut the eff up or put your money where your mouth is.Do all of the regressives really think that the (homos) gays had a choice in the matter and one day just decided "jeeze, I think I will be gay just to be different"? Many and maybe most try to cover it up since their illness is very embarrassing to them because of people who look at them like they have leprosy "And because they are different they are scum of the earth and should hide under a rock with no rights and definitely not happy, heaven forbid that." WHERE did ANYONE here say anything even remotely close to this? I have said that I really don't give two figs about homos or what homos do. I DO care about their endlessly pushing their ways on folks that don't approve of their lifestyle choices. If someone chooses not to bake them a cake - get the hell over it. There are other bakers. Have a homosexual go to a muslim baker and try to get a cake for their wedding. You'll never see that outcome on the evening news! Go to a Muslim baker and have him bake a cake with jesus on it. Petty shit."All men are created equal in the eyes of the Lord. I wonder where that saying came from? And the women? They are different and inferior so they should hide under that rock until the men drag them out and poke fun at them?" More typical nonsensical gibberish. The word "men" isn't gender specific in such a case, and most intelligent people are aware of that. Kind of like the huMAN race. Not worth the typing, you research it, you'll figure it out. Not gender specific like women getting to vote when it was written "We The People"? Did I figure it out? "Ya'll say that we are a laughing stock of the world because the white house was lit up like a rainbow. You are a lying ass. It is the cause even though we are way down the line of countries with gay marriage. Lets do a switch to prove it. Lets say the rainbow stands for leukemia which is more or less a child's disease and kids do love rainbows. So we light up the white house for more awareness of the cancer. WooHoo, way to go white house. But wait a minute, it is a symbol of those degenerate pigs, the gays, so no WooHoos this time. IT IS THE CAUSE AND NOT THE COLORS THAT YOU HATE. People that are different than you but so alike that you are damn lucky you are not one of them. Bob the gay activist, we would have had gay marriage legal many years ago." Now I'm a "lying ass" as well? Golly, people may start to think (more) poorly of me if going on your perspective. *sniffle* You have lied to yourself for so long you now believe it. Someone that is so against gay marriage being thrown in his face it is the "cause" and not the colors. For just about any other reason you would not complain about rainbow colors on the White House.You seem to carry a lot of animosity around. Is it the drugs? I have used drugs four times in the last five years. How many times have you drank beer and driven home in that same amount of time? It is illegal you know and the odds are against you as far as being in an accident. Did you know that one of the ladies on here lost a sister to a drunk driver?MY opinion on the rainbow colored White House is that such an illumination was specifically done to be in the face of those opposed to the ruling from the SCOTUS that day. THERE is your "divide, divide, divide" that you so quack about. obama and his administration have done more to divide this country in a short time than any other group ever. What I do "HATE" is that the homosexual "cause" has so besmirched the beauty, innocence and Promise of a rainbow. How so? It is still all there. Take the nearest child and show them a rainbow. Same response. If it spoiled it for you tough shit. Get over it.Gotta give this a separate comment: "People that are different than you but so alike that you are damn lucky you are not one of them." Were I, it would have been my CHOICE. Already proved that wrong. But I do have a theory. You were on the fence at one time and repressed it which is possible in someone that is bi instead of gay. Had a friend it Texas that I did not know he was bi. When his wife caught him cheating on her with a man he repressed it because he did not want to loose his $500,000 house."And we are not the laughing stock of the planet. We are the hated of the planet because we keep messing with everyone's business all the time and end up killing a large number of innocent people or putting a dictator in charge. We are our own worst enemy. And this tickles the hell out of me. The people of this country are sick and tired of war and all of the wounded and dead soldiers BUT Obama has no balls because he is trying to negotiate with Iran. So, what? go to war again? Nuke another bunch of innocent people?" Yeah, yeah... we get it, you're anti-business and whatever. Don't care... So you think that big business is working toward your best interest. Check out the new trade agreement they are trying to get passed through congress. Your best interest is the last thing they are worrying about.About the obama "trying to negotiate with Iran" part. WHAT negotiating would that be? What did WE get??? How about rephrasing that to: obama giving Iran everything they want, and getting no concessions in return simply for the purposes of legacy. That's a bit more accurate. Oh, and what bunch of "innocent" people have been previously nuked? (THIS outta be good...) Oh this is real good. Are you stupid too, ignorant, what? How many children died in Japan when we nuked them? I am not saying it was wrong because it ended the war that could have gone on for a long time but the children did not deserve to be melted because of some insane leaders. Good enough?????"Ya make me sick so ya gunna hafta play with yousef from now on." Buh Bye (NOT holding my breath!) Oh I wish you would.What else ya got? The little smiley is what really figured it out for me. Most men on here do not use smileys because they are kind of a girly thing. How girly are you???? JimFor everyone other than Bob I just want to say that Bob has been blocked from my posts and threads but since he makes his own rules he must get one of his lackeys to pass it on to him or do a quote so he can see it. I would imagine he has a lot of friends on here because he fits into the theme of Christian hard right which is prevalent here.
I knew that I wasn't the only atheist on here but did not know who until Scott spoke up a couple of days ago. I do not see why atheists and Christians can't get along just like Christians and Muslims. ;) Oh well, I tried. Happy days people.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 24, 2015 21:40:23 GMT -5
Take the 10 commandments, consider running a country with the converse position of these commandments. It seems that as those commandments are violated more so than ever, the country seems to be suffering. They are not a bad base to start a government. It(or more accurately Christianity) was a theme mentioned when designing Declaration of Independence. I was surprised when I found this link, to read an atheist's viewpoint. atheism.about.com/od/churchstatemyths/a/doi.htmThou shalt not kill, except in war, self defense, capital punishment, etc. Now people kill for simple gang membership, or $20. Life for a life, eye for an eye. The Old Testament mentioned stoning people to death. Obviously we are on our own. Should we agree to free-for-all, or should there be law. What law ? Who agrees to the laws ? What guide lines are used ? Who makes them ? Lots of variables. Not knowing a better way, i would guess our forefathers leaned on a Christian theme. If I take a look around me, I would also assume there is a God, with great power and ability. Guessing our forefathers thought the same way. I sense a can of worms being opened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 23:21:37 GMT -5
Quite an article. Why wasn't that taught in school?
The word atheist does not mean "lives like an animal to plunder and rape and every other bad thing you can think of". I have pretty much lived my life with compassion, love and too much trust.
With no rules we have chaos, with too many rules we have no freedom.
Do you really believe any god would create all of this beauty then leave the children to flounder and die all over the world? It does not make sense.
A lot of those people that you speak of killing are devout christians. The name christian does not automatically make someone all good and benevolent. If this were true the priests would not be preying on children and a jealous Mexican would not kill his own family.
You state that you would guess the forefathers leaned on a Christian theme. Did you read the same article as the one you posted? I did not get that feeling.
I said I was over it before but I came back for this one tribute to Bob. I do not like arguing this subject and the only way it seems for me to avoid it is to stay completely away. Jim
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 25, 2015 0:58:19 GMT -5
Do you really believe any god would create all of this beauty then leave the children to flounder and die all over the world? It does not make sense. If indeed there were a God who was able to design all the complex systems within systems within systems (and so on into infinity) do you not believe it possible that you and I, not even an atom in a speck of paint on the infinite mosaic of creation, may not be able to even slightly grasp who He is and why these things happen? Just because it is mans nature to try to figure things out doesn't mean he's good at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 2:45:07 GMT -5
LOL damn Lee, I was not going to get back in this but for you I will.
I agree that anything is possible but I lean more toward the alien theory or proof if you look at the carvings in caves that show space ships or the things on this earth that could not have been accomplished by the ancient people even though there are a couple of things that prove some of the ancient persons were pretty intelligent. Identical things happening in three places on the planet at around the same time is another. My son is a bit into that study so I just pick up bits and pieces from what he tells me. Yes, he has lied to me "a lot" in the past but I am pretty sure he is honest about this now that he is almost 50. lol
If the Spaniard (Christians) wouldn't have eliminated some of the South American people we probably could have learned a lot from them too. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2015 6:53:37 GMT -5
Interpretation of complicated documents like the Declaration can be construed in many ways. So can Christianity and any other religion. Take the Bible for instance, a book claims to be written by God. It is clear about life and death, good and bad, heaven and hell, believers and non believers. It is a choice for man to believe as he will.
Take wisdom for instance, the Bible defines (Proverbial) wisdom and wisdom of fools. Proverbs a simple book suggesting how a man should think and run his life. For a peaceful and comfortable existence on earth. Pretty much written in suggestion form to appeal to man's hard headedness. A peaceful approach, not in the form of laws and rules. Man does not obey, so why waste time on laws and rules perhaps,LOL.
It mentions how the heavens and earth was created. I suppose that could easily be refuted.
A less discussed issue covered in the Bible is prophecy. A complicated subject, but perhaps something to pay attention to. If a book can predict the future it should qualify as being on the very special list. The Bible's discussion of the future is a bit of a jig saw puzzle. However, as time goes on, it's predictions seem to become more obvious. Hard to refute predictions that come true. Perhaps you have to be a believer to interpret the Bible's claims. It seems to insinuate belief is a prerequisite to comprehension. Makes sense.
Reference to 'The Creation' is made to open man's eyes to the fact there is a God. That would be in the beginning of the Bible. About the first point God makes. I would guess that is where he is talking to anyone considering Atheism. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ..". That is a bodacious claim, never figured a way to refute this claim. If Lee, Jim, Joe or Ed made that claim I would laugh. But the author claiming to be God of a very unusual and mysterious book makes this claim.
The United States of America did operate quite well as a group of basically fairly Biblically moral people. It seemed to work out well for many years. A welfare state is generated by immorality, basically illegitimacy, and the the support of such. The family unit was a large part of the success of this country. Similar events occurred in the British and Roman empires(failure of the family unit).
The mention of gay marriage throws a wrench into a family unit. I assume they adopt, from failed families. OK. Odd concept. But a rapidly increasing occurrence. Successful over the long haul ? Time will tell. Gay men have statistically a substantially shortened lifespan. May need to work on that one. Spending time with Grand children is a big reward of having a family...
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2015 9:49:49 GMT -5
Boring routine, a family like 'Leave It to Beaver', was when America was at it's healthiest. Healthy a subject that could be challenged, opinions differ. At least the economy and security was healthy.
Increasing over population alone looms, that is not preventable. Eventually that will have to be dealt with, no easy answers there. It does seem to make people more agitated. Stresses resources. Makes one wonder about the future.
People complaining and bitching, attacking anything that bothers them, govt. has no clue on how to handle situation. Govt. swings to the left, pisses off the right. Vice versa. Will only get worse. Ex. Confederate Flag I think I will go stick my head in the tumbler and pet the dogs. Tool around and tinker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 10:13:42 GMT -5
A lot of truth and fantasy. The burning of "assumed witches" always makes me wonder about some of our previous or early Christians. (to this country anyway)
From what I have read there are 2700 religions on this planet. Some of them probably believe in the same god (Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, etc) but there has to be a huge number of different gods that have nothing to do with the bible. Buddha, he is a cool one that I got introduced to in China and Viet Nam. A fat jolly god has to be good, right? Tao I guess is a god. The god that wrote the Curran(sp) has to be a really nasty one but I have a feeling the interpretation varies just like the Bible which has many.
At one point in my life I knelt down and seriously took God as my savior so I am set no matter what I believe now. I was told by a heavy duty bible thumper that that is all it takes no matter what you do from there on. Good to go from all angles except one. hahaha All I have to do now is keep from killing someone. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 10:22:38 GMT -5
Take the 10 commandments, consider running a country with the converse position of these commandments. It seems that as those commandments are violated more so than ever, the country seems to be suffering. They are not a bad base to start a government. It(or more accurately Christianity) was a theme mentioned when designing Declaration of Independence. I was surprised when I found this link, to read an atheist's viewpoint. atheism.about.com/od/churchstatemyths/a/doi.htmThou shalt not kill, except in war, self defense, capital punishment, etc. Now people kill for simple gang membership, or $20. Life for a life, eye for an eye. The Old Testament mentioned stoning people to death. Obviously we are on our own. Should we agree to free-for-all, or should there be law. What law ? Who agrees to the laws ? What guide lines are used ? Who makes them ? Lots of variables. Not knowing a better way, i would guess our forefathers leaned on a Christian theme. If I take a look around me, I would also assume there is a God, with great power and ability. Guessing our forefathers thought the same way. I sense a can of worms being opened. I just had a thought. Were the north and south armies praying to the same god just like the football players do today? How does that work? Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2015 12:19:34 GMT -5
Everything you mention merits question. Mankind's actions, no telling what we are capable of. I guess it boils down to what you believe.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 25, 2015 19:31:47 GMT -5
"I knew that I wasn't the only atheist on here but did not know who until Scott spoke up a couple of days ago. I do not see why atheists and Christians can't get along just like Christians and Muslims. Oh well, I tried. Happy days people." Could it be because Christians aren't the ones who are trying to have all christian symbols removed from public view ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 0:24:46 GMT -5
Not really. Most people do not come out for the same reasons gays don't. The Christians have attached so much of a stigma on the word atheist that the atheists just keep their mouths shut so they do not have to put up with the preaching and be thought of as a low life. If you compare the radical atheists to radical religious the atheists don't even register on the scale.
What you are talking about Don is one of the petty differences that I have been talking about that is dividing this country and it comes from both sides just like the self serving government comes from both sides.
Did you see where one of our finest slipped the proper words into another bill so the Native American People can be shit on again? I think McCain is a repug right? They have hit the bottom of the barrel with that one. And I do remember that you are not a repug Don.lol Jim
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 26, 2015 1:27:37 GMT -5
@wampidy Jim I know your heart is in the right place so this is not specifically for you but is a response to something you said. You mentioned the witch hunts, definitely a heinous thing done based on lies from confused teenage girls and some overzealous confused people. OK lets add the Crusades, you can have all of it, not just the about 10% of it that wasn't a defensive war to take back what the muslims had conquered. you can also have the Spanish inquisition and every instance of a war fought under the banner of christianity.
Now I didn't do any research or math on this, but from my reading of history the total death count on both sides from all the above has to be less than a couple months of the extermination of Jews and others by the atheistic German National Socialists. Add to the count every life lost to the adherents of ALL major world religions, including the Muslims, and you may begin to approach Hitlers total, but I doubt it. Add to that the hundreds of millions slaughtered by Soviet atheism, The Guillotines of France, Maos millions in China, and the rest of the global carnage in the name of no God, and you have a drop in an ocean of the blood of innocents.
So you see, if you are willing to, that the removal of all public symbols related to the free exercise of religion has never been the end of the game for atheists, just the beginning. It would be great if we just all were to get along, but it hasn't happened so far.
Oh yeah, any hospital systems built by atheists? Colleges? No, the Soviets replaced them with re-education. Libraries? Nope, Lenin burned the books, outlawed the Bible.
Atheists earned their own stigma, and it's up to them to prove that their belief system has evolved and they have become tolerant of others. Society is waiting, but no one is holding their breath.
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