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Post by jamesp on Jul 26, 2015 5:13:35 GMT -5
Modern viewpoints on atheism certainly effected by these men. Don't think Christians and Jews would ever again be warm and fuzzy with atheists after these guys finished their business. Yes, Stalin the worst example of atheism. These three guys left a bad legacy, and were thought to have atheistic tendencies.
Nothing to do with many opinions against atheism. Many people just can not conceive that the universe was not created by a God or supreme creator. Regardless of man's actions. i.e. more difficult to believe in no God... We all suffer and die, do not have answers for that one. But it is obviously that way. Better to have a natural death than an intervention from Stalin, Musslolini or Hitler. Safer to believe in God than not believe. Especially in the Christian faith.
Stalin a devot atheist:
""Raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith, Stalin became an atheist. His government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, anti-religious propaganda, the anti-religious work of public institutions (Society of the Godless), discriminatory laws, and a terror campaign against religious believers. By the late 1930s, it had become dangerous to be publicly associated with religion.""
Mussolini was said to make claims of being atheist:
""Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.[163] He denounced socialists who were tolerant of religion, or who had their children baptized, and called for socialists who accepted religious marriage to be expelled from the party. He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..." Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, reportedly had an anti-Christian editorial stance.[163]""
Hitler- An on going argument as to his beliefs, actions point clearly not Christian. Hitler complicated
However, the Aryan Nation, these guys alive and well. Extremists, maybe their beliefs stem from:
"" Key to understanding Nazisms popularity with Christians is the Nazi condemnation of everything modern. The Weimar Republic was regarded as a godless, secular, and materialistic, betraying all of Germanys traditional values and religious beliefs. Christians saw the social fabric of their community unravelling and the Nazis promised to restore order by attacking godlessness, homosexuality, abortion, liberalism, prostitution, pornography, obscenity, etc.""
Personally @wampidy Jim, I am not judging atheism by man's actions. You as an individual have a right to believe as you will. And for good reasons of your own. Respect that right, and believe as you will of course. I do have a question; U.S.A. practices the right of freedom of religion. I guess that includes the right to no religion? I am ignorant to that aspect. Never thought about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 9:13:20 GMT -5
hmmmmm, thinking about where to go with this. I guess the first thing I should do is apologize to Lee, James and maybe the world. Second thing I should do I guess is re aline my thoughts and opinions. Through ignorance or stupidity or ??????? I alined myself with some of the worst of the worst. I am sure you know that was not my intention. So, here again, I find myself somewhere in the middle not wanting to turn right or left. If I go left I am back to where I started and if I go right I am alining myself with an ??????, entity, incompetent, that can not or will not stop the suffering of the children on this planet. They are the most innocent of the innocent and do not deserve what they have to go through to survive. Any idea what the numbers are for that are pinned on these young girls? I am pretty sure you can guess. People are fighting this but it should not be necessary if there is a true competent god somewhere out there. This is why I do not like to discuss religion because I get so infuriated I can't think straight. I know that the Christians have some kind of excuse for it but I ain't buying it. Insanity on both sides would be snuffed out by no more than the twitch of the finger of a god that has the ability to create the universe. I would start a new religion but where am I going to find a god that really really LOVES THE CHILDREN. I will be looking for a word to replace atheist while I spend the rest of the day trying to simmer down. If I could be a god for a nanosecond. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jul 26, 2015 11:34:40 GMT -5
Jim, as you know, no entity has ever stepped to the plate to stop death, both young and old. It is looking everyone in the face. Wars and cruelty are negligible when compared to the people that die naturally. Bad people is not the problem. But the destiny of death.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 12:43:45 GMT -5
Sorry James but I think you are off here. Death is natural for all living things on this planet. Some live longer than others (stromatalite doesn't even live forever) but nothing or no one gets out alive.
A child living her young life with deranged men sticking their dick in her for their own satisfaction when adult females are more than willing for the right price (probably much cheaper) is so far down the quality of life line that the end is invisible. Just think about it. You are 8, 9, 10 sitting on a bench waiting for some guy to choose you so he can stick it in your butt. (probably no different than a girl getting it in the vagina at that age) Do you think you would deserve that, welcome that, choose that over death? And this is just a miniscule portion of the children suffering at the hands of man that was supposedly created by a loving god. While you were getting it in the butt would you be thanking god that you are alive and then thank him tomorrow and tomorrow while getting the same thing over and over and over again?
And we complain if our lettuce is wilted and not crispy. Are we lucky or did god choose us to be happy and gay (pun intended). How could a god sit on his cloud with grapes in hand and say "this child is going to be spoiled and have it all but that other one is going to have to live through hell on earth because one of my grapes has mold on it"? How could a god choose which one? Because the parents are believers even though the girls parents do not have a clue what Christianity is.
If he left it for the adults to figure out why would he not put in a clause so that the children would not have to suffer for it. There is not one excuse that could possibly convince me that children should go through a life of horror in any way shape or form.
So I am finished trying to explain myself to people that are ??????????????????????? Live your life as you wish and I hope you are happy. But do not pray for me, pray for the children because they deserve it. Jim
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 26, 2015 13:23:29 GMT -5
Did you see where one of our finest slipped the proper words into another bill so the Native American People can be shit on again? I think McCain is a repug right? They have hit the bottom of the barrel with that one. And I do remember that you are not a repug Don.lol Jim[/quote]
McCain isn't a Republican. He's a RINO. He ceased being a Republican when he started agreeing with Ocommie on almost everything.
While I respect McCain's military service, and the time he spent in the Hanoi Hilton, He is a disgrace to the Republican party.
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Post by mohs on Jul 26, 2015 13:25:29 GMT -5
although I will admit moldy grapes are hell
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Post by jamesp on Jul 26, 2015 13:26:46 GMT -5
Not at all disagreeing with you Jim regarding cruelty on earth. I hear you loud and clear. There is a worse scenario, those men may end up suffering (hopefully) forever after they die. And those that suffer a worse than death existence may have a wonderful forever life afterward. We all suffer pain and death in this life, albeit some much worse than others. Not sure why it works that way. Anger justified. What goes around may come around, those men may ought to be concerned about their actions.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 26, 2015 18:55:01 GMT -5
@wampidy Jim I think that while our world of instant information has it's benefits, the fact that the principal people in charge of getting that info to us are agenda driven and profit motivated causes us all to be bombarded with the negative on a daily basis. It definitely is frustrating and distracts from the fact that truly good stuff happens every day.
All any of us can do is have a positive influence in our own little circle and trust that the ripple effect will grow from there.
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Post by captbob on Jul 27, 2015 8:55:31 GMT -5
Goodness, I take a weekend trip up to Jacksonville to visit my dad while he still knows who I am and come home to this - You really do make this too easy. Just wish all the copy & paste stuff didn't take so long. captbobIf you were smarter you would just take the whole thing to a word program and write between the lines. Very simple."We have no petty differences but I was talking about the USA group as a whole." Okay, go with that then. What are the "petty differences" that "the USA group as a whole" are divided over? I'm still waiting to hear what you consider "petty differences". Pretty simple to figure out: flags, homophobia, gay marriage, Christianity, atheism, the price of rocks etc, etc"I could never sit down with a self righteous, bigot, drunk driving fool and try to accomplish anything meaningful." Not that I could possibly care any less about your opinion (on anything), but is this supposed to be some sort of insinuation about me? Just want to be clear about that. No denial so I will go with it. "I keep harping on this but ya'll are just too damn thick headed. Gay people did not choose to be gay any more than ya'll chose to be straight." You get that from the same folks you get the global warming information from? I will grant that there may be a small percent that are born "that way". But, I contend that for most it is a choice. First I will address the global warming thing. I have posted to the contrary so I don't know why you always bring it up. Is it because I run closer to center instead of so right I can not make a left turn?Same as I can choose to prefer blondes over redheads (not that I do), I could choose to have a relationship with a male rather than with a woman (not that I would). Maybe it is easier for some people to deal with members of the same sex. Easier to understand, easier to please, easier however. Those people may choose to have such relationships. They choose this - they were not "born that way". Prove that simple hypothesis wrong or STFU about "gay people did not choose to be gay". I am not sure where you got the idea that the burden of proof is on me. You should have proven your side of the argument but you did not so here it is, my side. www.upworthy.com/coming-out-as-gay-may-seem-like-an-everyday-occurrence-now-but-nope-still-a-big-deal-heres-why?c=reccon2 www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/04/choose_to_be_gay_no_you_don_t.htmlIf the second one did not make you flinch or go eeeew then you have the choice to be gay which has to happen to be able to choose not to be gay. My turn, shut the eff up or put your money where your mouth is.Do all of the regressives really think that the (homos) gays had a choice in the matter and one day just decided "jeeze, I think I will be gay just to be different"? Many and maybe most try to cover it up since their illness is very embarrassing to them because of people who look at them like they have leprosy "And because they are different they are scum of the earth and should hide under a rock with no rights and definitely not happy, heaven forbid that." WHERE did ANYONE here say anything even remotely close to this? I have said that I really don't give two figs about homos or what homos do. I DO care about their endlessly pushing their ways on folks that don't approve of their lifestyle choices. If someone chooses not to bake them a cake - get the hell over it. There are other bakers. Have a homosexual go to a muslim baker and try to get a cake for their wedding. You'll never see that outcome on the evening news! Go to a Muslim baker and have him bake a cake with jesus on it. Petty shit."All men are created equal in the eyes of the Lord. I wonder where that saying came from? And the women? They are different and inferior so they should hide under that rock until the men drag them out and poke fun at them?" More typical nonsensical gibberish. The word "men" isn't gender specific in such a case, and most intelligent people are aware of that. Kind of like the huMAN race. Not worth the typing, you research it, you'll figure it out. Not gender specific like women getting to vote when it was written "We The People"? Did I figure it out? "Ya'll say that we are a laughing stock of the world because the white house was lit up like a rainbow. You are a lying ass. It is the cause even though we are way down the line of countries with gay marriage. Lets do a switch to prove it. Lets say the rainbow stands for leukemia which is more or less a child's disease and kids do love rainbows. So we light up the white house for more awareness of the cancer. WooHoo, way to go white house. But wait a minute, it is a symbol of those degenerate pigs, the gays, so no WooHoos this time. IT IS THE CAUSE AND NOT THE COLORS THAT YOU HATE. People that are different than you but so alike that you are damn lucky you are not one of them. Bob the gay activist, we would have had gay marriage legal many years ago." Now I'm a "lying ass" as well? Golly, people may start to think (more) poorly of me if going on your perspective. *sniffle* You have lied to yourself for so long you now believe it. Someone that is so against gay marriage being thrown in his face it is the "cause" and not the colors. For just about any other reason you would not complain about rainbow colors on the White House.You seem to carry a lot of animosity around. Is it the drugs? I have used drugs four times in the last five years. How many times have you drank beer and driven home in that same amount of time? It is illegal you know and the odds are against you as far as being in an accident. Did you know that one of the ladies on here lost a sister to a drunk driver?MY opinion on the rainbow colored White House is that such an illumination was specifically done to be in the face of those opposed to the ruling from the SCOTUS that day. THERE is your "divide, divide, divide" that you so quack about. obama and his administration have done more to divide this country in a short time than any other group ever. What I do "HATE" is that the homosexual "cause" has so besmirched the beauty, innocence and Promise of a rainbow. How so? It is still all there. Take the nearest child and show them a rainbow. Same response. If it spoiled it for you tough shit. Get over it.Gotta give this a separate comment: "People that are different than you but so alike that you are damn lucky you are not one of them." Were I, it would have been my CHOICE. Already proved that wrong. But I do have a theory. You were on the fence at one time and repressed it which is possible in someone that is bi instead of gay. Had a friend it Texas that I did not know he was bi. When his wife caught him cheating on her with a man he repressed it because he did not want to loose his $500,000 house."And we are not the laughing stock of the planet. We are the hated of the planet because we keep messing with everyone's business all the time and end up killing a large number of innocent people or putting a dictator in charge. We are our own worst enemy. And this tickles the hell out of me. The people of this country are sick and tired of war and all of the wounded and dead soldiers BUT Obama has no balls because he is trying to negotiate with Iran. So, what? go to war again? Nuke another bunch of innocent people?" Yeah, yeah... we get it, you're anti-business and whatever. Don't care... So you think that big business is working toward your best interest. Check out the new trade agreement they are trying to get passed through congress. Your best interest is the last thing they are worrying about.About the obama "trying to negotiate with Iran" part. WHAT negotiating would that be? What did WE get??? How about rephrasing that to: obama giving Iran everything they want, and getting no concessions in return simply for the purposes of legacy. That's a bit more accurate. Oh, and what bunch of "innocent" people have been previously nuked? (THIS outta be good...) Oh this is real good. Are you stupid too, ignorant, what? How many children died in Japan when we nuked them? I am not saying it was wrong because it ended the war that could have gone on for a long time but the children did not deserve to be melted because of some insane leaders. Good enough??"Ya make me sick so ya gunna hafta play with yousef from now on." Buh Bye (NOT holding my breath!) Oh I wish you would.What else ya got? The little smiley is what really figured it out for me. Most men on here do not use smileys because they are kind of a girly thing. How girly are you? JimFor everyone other than Bob I just want to say that Bob has been blocked from my posts and threads but since he makes his own rules he must get one of his lackeys to pass it on to him or do a quote so he can see it. I would imagine he has a lot of friends on here because he fits into the theme of Christian hard right which is prevalent here.
I knew that I wasn't the only atheist on here but did not know who until Scott spoke up a couple of days ago. I do not see why atheists and Christians can't get along just like Christians and Muslims. Oh well, I tried. Happy days people.I see you are still arguing your points in a puerile manner and I certainly don't expect much more than that; but you truly excel at displaying your childishness when it comes to your baseless innuendos and allegations. You don't know me from Adam, yet have insinuated that I am a drunk driver more than once. Your intent seems to be to cast aspersions on me when you can't debate an issue rationally. How Saul Alinsky of you. Get that out of your copy of Rules for Radicals? Childish at best. You have also made multiple comments regarding my sexuality due to my comments against all the recent homo issue/agenda stuff. SO... because I have been posting negatively regarding homosexuality, I must be one?? Seems I have recently read some posts from you expressing your contempt regarding child sex slave trade. Agreeably, an utterly heinous crime. BUT... using your sophomoric reasoning, I would have to assume that you are buggering little children if you are posting against it. Good thing I don't operate at such a juvenile level. Oh, and before I wander off to unpack, play with the dogs and catch up on life, might I ask you kindly to clean up your language in your posts? We are primarily an adult crowd here, but not everyone cares to read your ill-mannered vulgarities. You said that you weren't going to post here again. Glad you lied about that because your posts are extremely entertaining. PS- You can't block me from seeing your posts skippy. No one has to pass them on for me to see them. <-- girly smilie face thing because you never cease to amuse me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 11:52:33 GMT -5
I prove you wrong and you won't admit it, just go on the attack. Pathetic. Not worth my time. Jim
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Post by spiritstone on Jul 27, 2015 13:17:58 GMT -5
Every action has its reaction. LoL dcgazette.com/10000-people-sign-a-petition-to-make-cracker-barrel-change-their-name-to-something-hilarious/#10,000 People Sign a Petition to make “Cracker Barrel” Change Their Name to Something Hilarious: So far over 10,000 people have signed the petition. Some may take this seriously, but I’m betting most of those who signed only did it to make a point. So if you want to join in, the petition can be found HERE. But be careful, signing this petition will definitely make you a racist, but then again what doesn’t these days?
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Post by captbob on Jul 27, 2015 13:50:14 GMT -5
I prove you wrong and you won't admit it, just go on the attack. Pathetic. Not worth my time. Jim Nice retort. Except the part about it being entirely incorrect. (as usual) I'm not sure what you believe you proved me wrong about. I'm guessing that it has something to do with the links you posted? I didn't bother to read them, because I can find information on the internet "proving" either side of any issue. Therefore, I could read your links (but won't) and go find the exact opposite with little trouble. IF I cared that much. (I don't) As to my going on the "attack", what part was an attack? My comment on your immature name calling and implications is merely a factual observation on my part. An "attack" in this format would be more along the lines of attempts to disparage one's character or to attribute false negative traits or actions to a person. You know, kinda like slander. In an adult conversation or debate, the norm would be to avoid resorting to such behavior. The antithesis to this would be the screeching and squawking one hears from the left when they can't counter the facts in a discussion on most any issue near and dear to their agenda. The more their side is found to be lacking in truth or merit, the louder the noise or commotion they generate. squawk away and here I was thinking the goofy sh*t came on the even numbered days my bad
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Post by jamesp on Jul 27, 2015 14:22:04 GMT -5
Every action has its reaction. LoL dcgazette.com/10000-people-sign-a-petition-to-make-cracker-barrel-change-their-name-to-something-hilarious/#10,000 People Sign a Petition to make “Cracker Barrel” Change Their Name to Something Hilarious: So far over 10,000 people have signed the petition. Some may take this seriously, but I’m betting most of those who signed only did it to make a point. So if you want to join in, the petition can be found HERE. But be careful, signing this petition will definitely make you a racist, but then again what doesn’t these days? Never ever thought about that name spirit. That be funny. Florida history about the name 'Cracker'. Westerners lasso cattle. Open land, no problem. Florida/Georgia has a rich cattle history going way back. Cattle were taken down with a whip. Due to low limbs on trees. Trick was to wrap the whip around a front leg, attach to saddle horn and jerk cow to ground as quick as possible. To avoid having the cow pull you into limbs. So these guys were good w/the whip. whip crackers-i.e. bull whip
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:31:31 GMT -5
I had never heard that one James. The only other take down method I knew about is the ??? can't remember the name now (bola maybe) but it, I believe, was used in south America. Three cords attached on one end with a weight on the end of them was/is thrown at the cow's legs and it basically tied the legs together and the cow fell over. Saw it on TV a long time ago and it is slick as hell.
Severe storm coming with possible t-nado attached. Time to hunker down. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:38:15 GMT -5
BTW the bull whip thing would take some serious skill. I have attempted to chase cattle out of horse's back height sage brush on horse back and it is damn near impossible. Probably why chaps were invented because the sage brush will just about rip your legs off. You have to be damn careful the horse does not get ripped up too but the cows run through it like rats. Jim
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Post by captbob on Jul 27, 2015 17:54:56 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 27, 2015 20:03:24 GMT -5
Dang Jim, sagebrush, heck that's just a garnish what makes ya smell good when you ride through it. Try mesquite or Huisache. That stuff is why chaps and chinks and good boots was developed. It will cut you to ribbons and the thorns fester like heck too. Even salt cedar is nasty prickly stuff with sharp dead branches. Man, I wish we had a little sagebrush round here instead of having every freaking plant be stickery....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Jul 27, 2015 21:24:43 GMT -5
Whatever is in S Texas will fester you. Those thorns must have some kind of poison in them. And puncture good Michelin tires.
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Post by captbob on Jul 27, 2015 23:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jul 28, 2015 6:13:10 GMT -5
I purchased a property 15 years ago on the St. John's River from an 82 year old very spry fellow. His summer job in high school was helping herd cattle from the St. John's River to the coast. He and his high school buddies, gone for a couple of months. Just kids. Clothing of choice was thin white cotton long sleeve button down collar shirts and long pants, tightly buttoned down at wrist, pants tucked into socks. To defend from ticks. He was about 140 pounds and embarrassed me and my buddy by cutting palm hearts out of a palm tree with a hatchet before we could cut one with a chain saw. And dust you in the woods when hiking with him. History of Florida Cowboys, beef and leather for the Confederacy.(CONFEDERACY=history) ""Hundreds of years ago, long before tourists or even cities, there was another Florida. When the Spaniard Ponce de León discovered it in 1513, Florida was mostly wide, green spaces. In 1521 when he returned, he brought horses and seven Andalusian cattle, the ancestors of the Texas Longhorns. He knew he'd found pastureland. Spanish explorers turned Florida into America's oldest cattle-raising state. The early cattle-raising days were rough for Spanish settlers. The St. Augustine missionaries who raised beef also fought Indian raids and mosquitoes. Despite the cattle fever ticks, storms, swamps and snakes, before 1700 there were already dozens of ranches along the Florida Panhandle and the St. Johns River. By the 1800s, the Seminole nation possessed extensive herds of cattle. Most Florida settlers raised beef for food. As Indian and white settlers moved south, so did the cattle. They moved through Alachua county into the Kissimmee valley and on to Lake Okeechobee. The search for new pastures was the reason for the migration south. Railroads reached into Florida. Because trains could ship cattle, the beef industry grew. New towns sprang up around the ranches, and more people arrived from other states. There was work for blacksmiths, shopkeepers, and cowboys in these settlements. During the Civil War, Florida became a chief supplier of cattle to the Confederacy, both for meat and leather. The herds ranged in size from 5,000 to 50,000 head. Rustling was prevalent throughout the state. This was because Florida was an open range. There was not a fenced pasture anywhere in the state and cattle roamed freely. The early cowboys would round cows up over miles and miles of open plains, in the hammocks, and by the rivers and streams. Then they would drive them to market. Florida's old-time cowboys had a unique way of herding cattle. They used 10- to 12-foot-long whips made of braided leather. Snapping these whips in the air made a loud "crack." That sound brought stray cattle back into line fast and earned cowboys the nickname of "crackers." Many rode rugged, rather small horses known as "cracker ponies." Cracker cowboys also counted on herd dogs to move cattle along the trail. Their tough dogs could help get a cow out of a marsh or work a hundred steers into a tidy group. For those rough riders of Florida's first ranges, a good dog, a horse, and whip were all the tools a true cracker needed. By the 1890s, cow camps were located in most sections of the state. One such camp was located near Lake Kissimmee. It was known as “Cow Town.” The area’s cattle were referred to as scrub cows, ridiculous in appearance. They were once described as “no bigger than donkeys, lacking quality as beef or milk producers.” They were valuable because the animals could survive in wilderness areas. By the 1920s, however, the quality of Florida cattle had improved greatly."" fcit.usf.edu/florida/lessons/cowboys/cowboys.htm
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