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Post by MsAli on Jan 19, 2018 23:23:20 GMT -5
That hurts my heart a bit. I pray they were already broken. Most likely depression glass. Cobalt blue probably Fenton😟 Black was actually called black amethyst. I know Indiana Glass Company made a lot of it as did some others. It is hard to find. Whole pieces would of brought more than $10.00 a piece. Yes, everything was broken pieces. I am an antique/Depression glass expert. Some pieces were Royal Ruby beer bottles. My Uncle and I had already taken about 60 intact bottles from one site, when I was about 12 years old. The person who was going there before us, without permission on our land, took over 100 intact bottles out. I have two perfect condition dark, slightly clear, black glass bottles we also found. One still has the intact wire and cork stopper mechanism. The other one has embossing that says, liniment some numbers and Minneapolis Minnesota . Would have had a cork stopper. The ceramics were Willow Blue. One of the translucent blue pieces was a Shirley Temple portrait pitcher, broken, but I immediately knew what it was. Some other blue bottle pieces and some Hairpin Depression blue pieces of glass. Forgot to mention that there were some pink depression pieces, Rose of Sharon pattern, plus unknowns and some 1940's or 50's Marigold Iris pattern. Also some purple carnival glass pieces. I have almost complete sets of Crystal and Marigold Iris. Also a close to complete Rose of Sharon, pink set. A few pieces of carnival glass that I inherited and others I purchased at yard sales, from unknowing sellers. I did not know you were a vintage glass lover. Something we have in common. I appreciate your concern about breaking intact, vintage glass for other uses. Me, I collect vintage glass saucers to use as trays beneath plants. Once something is gone, it is gone forever. REst assured, I would never destroy history. I find it crazy what people threw down the holes. Happy to hear they were broken already. Royal Ruby beer bottles were made by Anchor Hocking for Schlitz?? My dad has one he found helping a guy dig a well. Only thing found. I love that bottle. Of course he wont give it me😣 I am a huge vintage depression glass and a huge vintage Pyrex nut. Dont have as many pieces as id like. I have a couple Rose of Sharon pieces, somewhere in storage. Had a complete set I found at a yard sale. Ended up selling it. Something I regret. I'll never find another. I have one piece that I've never been able to identify the maker, maybe you can help me with that? I also collect Van Briggle pottery and of course the Murano. I love that you use the saucers for the plants. Great idea🤔
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 19, 2018 23:27:02 GMT -5
Drove 10 hour round trip to pick up a used glass kiln yesterday. Going to make glass tumbles. Another endeavor, slumping glass. Great find. Now you can really get into it. That would be fun.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 6:49:43 GMT -5
Darn vegasjames, wish I had been there to see the raw product of colored glass being produced. I had always wanted to build a large wood fired kiln(love burning wood) and mass produce colored glass for doing slump melt mixes and even stirred mixes. Looks like I am going to be the proud owner of a couple of tons of waste glass from the glass studios. I am picking the color out of it but will end up with a giant pile at the sorting table. The little electric kiln for making tumbles, but not content stopping there. Want to do some mass melts making colors from raw materials. Watching glass blowers at work is mesmerizing. it is one of those on-the-fly physical hands on skills that requires on the feet instantaneous art creation. Not many art pieces are created so fast with so much physical talent and the blower is with such limited time. one of the glass artists had worked at large studios where they made their own colored glass. Said it was dirty dusty work. sound like fun. I could burn fallen and leaning trees on this farm for years, and am constantly burning piles to get rid of them. No gain other than cleanup, a waste of BTU's. There is an oak close to the house leaning away thankfully. Must be 42 inches at chest height and 36 inches at 60 feet up. That tree alone would supply mega-heat fora kiln for a long time.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 6:58:46 GMT -5
Drove 10 hour round trip to pick up a used glass kiln yesterday. Going to make glass tumbles. Another endeavor, slumping glass. Great find. Now you can really get into it. Question toolnut Got a 9" X 9" X 9" fire box on this little kiln. Can I go four 7" X 7" X 7" shelves high ? That would give 1 inch air space on all sides, top and bottom with appropriate kiln posts. Heat elements on back, left and right side. None on top or door. will be melting these into blobs from glass blower. 12" X 12" tray for size ref: These are waste smalls and poorer color niblets from 1st generation imported glass purchases at discount stores lined up for final polish on a paper plate.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 7:29:33 GMT -5
MsAli and fernwoodThe local history of glass in your area is totally interesting. Glass becomes a permanent record in the ground after it is broken. That has always interested me. Just as Native man's chips from crafting spearheads from fine cherts and flints. The massive mineral rich water springs in Florida has been the target of bathers(Ponce de Leon and fountain of youth) and water bottlers dating way back in earliest of American history. There are many battles in Florida to this day by water bottling companies. Even a property I owned was sought after by Coca Cola for the water flowing out of wells artesian style. A 50 mile circle that was the target of 'designer water' due to the low sulfur content with over 15 listed minerals. Florida has outlawed collecting these vintage and antique bottles out of the bottle rich rivers created by these high volume springs. This concrete structure was a bath house a century old. It was filled by Sulphur Spring for bathing. It is on the bank of the Suwannee River where I collect fossil coral in the river. as the river level rises they had to move to a higher level. The concrete surround kept the river water out and the sulphur water in. so at high river level you basically had a swimming pool 4 stories deep. I find a lot of manganese glass bottle shards from the old adjacent bottling operation downstream on the river bottom. View of spring house from river today Not only bottles, but Native man's artifacts common here too.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 20, 2018 8:12:54 GMT -5
Darn vegasjames , wish I had been there to see the raw product of colored glass being produced. I had always wanted to build a large wood fired kiln(love burning wood) and mass produce colored glass for doing slump melt mixes and even stirred mixes. Looks like I am going to be the proud owner of a couple of tons of waste glass from the glass studios. I am picking the color out of it but will end up with a giant pile at the sorting table. The little electric kiln for making tumbles, but not content stopping there. Want to do some mass melts making colors from raw materials. Watching glass blowers at work is mesmerizing. it is one of those on-the-fly physical hands on skills that requires on the feet instantaneous art creation. Not many art pieces are created so fast with so much physical talent and the blower is with such limited time. one of the glass artists had worked at large studios where they made their own colored glass. Said it was dirty dusty work. sound like fun. I could burn fallen and leaning trees on this farm for years, and am constantly burning piles to get rid of them. No gain other than cleanup, a waste of BTU's. There is an oak close to the house leaning away thankfully. Must be 42 inches at chest height and 36 inches at 60 feet up. That tree alone would supply mega-heat fora kiln for a long time. Seems like an electric kiln would be cleaner keeping contaminates out of the glass. Or you could hook up a pipe to the outhouse and make a gas fired kiln. If you do go with wood keep the ashes. The ashes are a great source for potassium hydroxide, which can be used for fluxing. Not a whole lot though as hydroxide fluxed glasses are more water soluble. Also find out what kind of glass you are getting from the scrap. My brother worked with borosilicate, which was more expensive but more stable. A lot of glassblowers use cheaper flint glass. If a less stable flint glass you can add borax or boric acid to the melt, which is not only a flux but can also make the glass stronger. Again don't overdo it. Or some lead oxide to make a lead crystal with more brilliance. If you go with an electric kiln you can also grow crystals in the glass. To do this and for consistency the electric kiln is preferred because you have a narrow temperature range to form crystals in glass and you can control oxidation and reduction, which is also essential for this. Burning wood or gas you are going to be reducing as oxygen is used up during the burning and this can pose problems. The dirty, dusty part sounds like frit making, which is not fun. At least I did not enjoy it when I tried to make some lead frit since it is next to impossible to find anymore.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 9:22:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the info vegasjames. Cleanliness issues may be a big problem with the wood fired pipe dream. We have so much alumina based white clay and potters have been using it for years to build hot burning wood fired kilns here. So the temptation to make an old style kiln. I doubt the blowers are using borosilicate glass, I will find out. I know it is COE 96 if that means anything. I'll ask what composition it is. All COE 96 probably helps when doing simple melts and slumping. Interesting operation out your way in Utah. www.strategicmaterials.com/specialty/There is a Strategic Materials operation near my house that recycles bottles for the most part. But they get large batches of colored glass that they segregate. And reject large chunks of glass and set them aside. Their per ton price is ridiculously cheap. Over the years I could have simply purchased colors from them as they came in for remelt. But their is more to glass than simply remelting. Looked at borosilicate in scrap frit and scrap plate in mixed colors. Surprised, over $20/pound. I think I will continue dumpster diving at the glass studios.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 10:09:55 GMT -5
MsAliGot an appraisal for you. Found at a thrift store. Thick. Has about 6 BB sized air bubbles. Ground base. Looks machine made. Red with maybe a slight purple tint. Base is clear, red from bottom up. Stands with a lean, Tower of Pizza style. Thanks ahead
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Post by fernwood on Jan 20, 2018 10:28:56 GMT -5
jamesp very cool info. Love the vase and the blobs.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 11:00:53 GMT -5
MsAli Got an appraisal for you. Found at a thrift store. Thick. Has about 6 BB sized air bubbles. Ground base. Looks machine made. Red with maybe a slight purple tint. Base is clear, red from bottom up. Stands with a lean, Tower of Pizza style. Thanks ahead Need to see the bottom
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 11:05:57 GMT -5
jamesp very cool info. Love the vase and the blobs. Blobs Gotta love that description. Thanks fernwoodMaybe hemoglobins would be another lovable adjective ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 11:12:05 GMT -5
MsAli Got an appraisal for you. Found at a thrift store. Thick. Has about 6 BB sized air bubbles. Ground base. Looks machine made. Red with maybe a slight purple tint. Base is clear, red from bottom up. Stands with a lean, Tower of Pizza style. Thanks ahead Need to see the bottom Dang, you are TOO much work. The bottom. And another find that needs appraisal - with the bottom photo ! Not sure why they only ground the concave divot ?? Some kind of depression ? THE BOTTOM
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Post by toolnut on Jan 20, 2018 11:21:24 GMT -5
Great find. Now you can really get into it. Question toolnut Got a 9" X 9" X 9" fire box on this little kiln. Can I go four 7" X 7" X 7" shelves high ? That would give 1 inch air space on all sides, top and bottom with appropriate kiln posts. Heat elements on back, left and right side. None on top or door. will be melting these into blobs from glass blower. 12" X 12" tray for size ref: These are waste smalls and poorer color niblets from 1st generation imported glass purchases at discount stores lined up for final polish on a paper plate. No reason I can think of that would keep one from doing that. Does the kiln only have side elements or one on top that glass kilns do. If it has only side elements, you may want to slow down the initial ramp to allow all the glass to stabiliaze ot the same temperarure. That's about it. Looking forward to seeing the results. I want to do my first test melt later today or tomorrow. A glass kln will have heating elements in the top, a burnout kiln, pottery kiln, or general purpose front loader kiln, usually has just side elements
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 11:30:01 GMT -5
The bottom tells me if it's mold or hand blown. That looks hand blown and without seeing it in person, I can't immediately identify it. Give me a few and I'll have an answer for you. The bottom is Golden Harvest Indiana Glass Company in Marigold. It's in pretty rough shape. fernwood agree?
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 11:31:19 GMT -5
"Dang, you are TOO much work" I am a woman, do you expect anything less?Â
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 12:05:01 GMT -5
The bottom tells me if it's mold or hand blown. That looks hand blown and without seeing it in person, I can't immediately identify it. Give me a few and I'll have an answer for you. The bottom is Golden Harvest Indiana Glass Company in Marigold. It's in pretty rough shape. fernwood agree? No hurry. No hammers are going to touch it lest you tell me it is newly made or worthless. Guessing vintage as in searching "vintage red glass vases" it has similar shape to that era. My photo may not show the depression well Alison. The Golden Harvest is in perfect shape unless I am missing something. i looked close, figured it was brand new so requested the master appraisal . If I am missing something please educate me. Not breaking either, would rather trade it for some other new pieces or resell. I don't need to tear up old pieces. got too much new, self melt and scrap. No ma'am. I mean yes ma'am. I mean no ma'am. Well, in a positive manner, no, I expect nothing different from a lady. we need someone to keep us moving on the straight and narrow.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 12:18:46 GMT -5
3 inch Spiral Meningitis. China. Probably have to saw this guy in half to hammer out.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 14:36:42 GMT -5
3 inch Spiral Meningitis. China. Probably have to saw this guy in half to hammer out. That is pretty
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Post by fernwood on Jan 20, 2018 14:46:26 GMT -5
The bottom tells me if it's mold or hand blown. That looks hand blown and without seeing it in person, I can't immediately identify it. Give me a few and I'll have an answer for you. The bottom is Golden Harvest Indiana Glass Company in Marigold. It's in pretty rough shape. fernwood agree? Maybe, on the bottom one. The upper portion of the tray is similar to the Harvest Golden. The individual fruits are unique. The overall iridescence reminds me of 1970's repro carnival, that was improperly washed, ie put in a dishwasher, or scrubbed with metal. Much of the iridescence has worn off. They style is the traditional 1950's to 60's TV/serving trays. Anchor Hocking made many trays of this style, but most were clear, with a space and indent for a coffee cup. The purple one is a mystery. The grinding on the bottom indicates hand blown, but the thickness and overall appearance says molded. Many USA glass companies allowed employees to work on personal projects after work. This could be one of those. Maybe there was additional glass below the bottom, such as a stem. Something went wrong with that and it was ground off. Or, the bottom indent could be there for placing in or on top of something else. Many metal companies purchased custom made glass as adornments for their metal work. Some examples are ice buckets, heated buffet trays, vases, lamps. The glass manufacturer would alter their normal stock or create custom pieces to meet the needs. Most of the metal work was silver plated, sometimes chrome. It could also have been part of a table centerpiece or fireplace console unit. Metal was formed to hold multiple glass vases. To help keep the vases in place, the bottoms were sometimes ground concave to fit on the metal below. I am most familiar with USA made items. This might be Italian, based on color and appearance.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 14:52:18 GMT -5
Cannot find anything with that shape, but something is saying leave it as is, if no chips, scratches etc. Need to do some more research. Bottom is similar to some newer Blenko. But not their style
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