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Post by MrP on Jan 20, 2018 16:03:47 GMT -5
jamesp how about doing a video of how you hammer break plates, vases and other such items, as in chickens? Want to see how you make the great shapes..................................MrP
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Post by MsAli on Jan 20, 2018 16:10:14 GMT -5
The bottom tells me if it's mold or hand blown. That looks hand blown and without seeing it in person, I can't immediately identify it. Give me a few and I'll have an answer for you. The bottom is Golden Harvest Indiana Glass Company in Marigold. It's in pretty rough shape. fernwood agree? Maybe, on the bottom one. The upper portion of the tray is similar to the Harvest Golden. The individual fruits are unique. The overall iridescence reminds me of 1970's repro carnival, that was improperly washed, ie put in a dishwasher, or scrubbed with metal. Much of the iridescence has worn off. They style is the traditional 1950's to 60's TV/serving trays. Anchor Hocking made many trays of this style, but most were clear, with a space and indent for a coffee cup. The purple one is a mystery. The grinding on the bottom indicates hand blown, but the thickness and overall appearance says molded. Many USA glass companies allowed employees to work on personal projects after work. This could be one of those. Maybe there was additional glass below the bottom, such as a stem. Something went wrong with that and it was ground off. Or, the bottom indent could be there for placing in or on top of something else. Many metal companies purchased custom made glass as adornments for their metal work. Some examples are ice buckets, heated buffet trays, vases, lamps. The glass manufacturer would alter their normal stock or create custom pieces to meet the needs. Most of the metal work was silver plated, sometimes chrome. It could also have been part of a table centerpiece or fireplace console unit. Metal was formed to hold multiple glass vases. To help keep the vases in place, the bottoms were sometimes ground concave to fit on the metal below. I am most familiar with USA made items. This might be Italian, based on color and appearance. That's is what I ment about the top one being in bad shape. Someone didn' take care of it. Could be reproduction. With the iridescent the way it is, I would say safe to smash??? You maybe right about the bottom one, I'm confident it is hand blown. Interesting about it may being part of another piece. Didn't consider that. More research to be done.
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 20, 2018 16:54:43 GMT -5
3 inch Spiral Meningitis. China. Probably have to saw this guy in half to hammer out. Let me get this straight, you are going to take a perfectly good, highly polished, attractive glass sphere and break it up to make a bunch of smaller polished pieces. If the right people read this they are going to pass that crystal ball on to someone else!!!
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Post by oregon on Jan 20, 2018 20:35:34 GMT -5
Drove 10 hour round trip to pick up a used glass kiln yesterday. Going to make glass tumbles. Another endeavor, slumping glass. That looks like the model without the programmable controller? With glass, it's nice to have a programmable controller, so you can ramp temperatures up/down in a controlled way (annealing, devitrification). All pretty straightforward to build if this doesn't have that.... fun with glass. If you just melt the blobs on kiln shelves, you'll have one shiny side already. Though, layering, fusing, cutting and re-layering can make some interesting patterns.
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Post by toolnut on Jan 20, 2018 21:52:41 GMT -5
Did first pot melt today as a test. Just shut off the Glass kiln about an hour ago. At that Temperature, you can't see anything as to results until it cools down. Everything is one color, bright yellow. programmed 3 segments. Ramped to 500F at 500F per hour, held for 15 minutes, ramped to 1000F at 500F per hour, held for 15 minutes, then to 1600F at 1000F per hour, and hold for 2 hours, then Kiln shut off. Will be interesting tomorrow to see what kind of a mess I made. Various colors of scrap glass. cut up and stacked in layers.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 22:55:02 GMT -5
3 inch Spiral Meningitis. China. Probably have to saw this guy in half to hammer out. Let me get this straight, you are going to take a perfectly good, highly polished, attractive glass sphere and break it up to make a bunch of smaller polished pieces. If the right people read this they are going to pass that crystal ball on to someone else!!! Might be an improvement Henry. Let's see how it goes. It was only $2/pound.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 23:03:20 GMT -5
Drove 10 hour round trip to pick up a used glass kiln yesterday. Going to make glass tumbles. Another endeavor, slumping glass. That looks like the model without the programmable controller? With glass, it's nice to have a programmable controller, so you can ramp temperatures up/down in a controlled way (annealing, devitrification). All pretty straightforward to build if this doesn't have that.... fun with glass. If you just melt the blobs on kiln shelves, you'll have one shiny side already. Though, layering, fusing, cutting and re-layering can make some interesting patterns. It has ramp up/down controller oregon for those needed steps. Looking for different effects from fused glass such as tumbled slices going across or angularly thru a thick fusion. other combinations. Make sense ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 23:15:17 GMT -5
Did first pot melt today as a test. Just shut off the Glass kiln about an hour ago. At that Temperature, you can't see anything as to results until it cools down. Everything is one color, bright yellow. programmed 3 segments. Ramped to 500F at 500F per hour, held for 15 minutes, ramped to 1000F at 500F per hour, held for 15 minutes, then to 1600F at 1000F per hour, and hold for 2 hours, then Kiln shut off. Will be interesting tomorrow to see what kind of a mess I made. Various colors of scrap glass. cut up and stacked in layers. Looking forward to your creation toolnut. A mess ? Not, it will be a work of art. Please post photos. Why 1600F ? To drain pot well ? Did you use a terra cotta or ceramic pot ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 23:38:16 GMT -5
Maybe, on the bottom one. The upper portion of the tray is similar to the Harvest Golden. The individual fruits are unique. The overall iridescence reminds me of 1970's repro carnival, that was improperly washed, ie put in a dishwasher, or scrubbed with metal. Much of the iridescence has worn off. They style is the traditional 1950's to 60's TV/serving trays. Anchor Hocking made many trays of this style, but most were clear, with a space and indent for a coffee cup. The purple one is a mystery. The grinding on the bottom indicates hand blown, but the thickness and overall appearance says molded. Many USA glass companies allowed employees to work on personal projects after work. This could be one of those. Maybe there was additional glass below the bottom, such as a stem. Something went wrong with that and it was ground off. Or, the bottom indent could be there for placing in or on top of something else. Many metal companies purchased custom made glass as adornments for their metal work. Some examples are ice buckets, heated buffet trays, vases, lamps. The glass manufacturer would alter their normal stock or create custom pieces to meet the needs. Most of the metal work was silver plated, sometimes chrome. It could also have been part of a table centerpiece or fireplace console unit. Metal was formed to hold multiple glass vases. To help keep the vases in place, the bottoms were sometimes ground concave to fit on the metal below. I am most familiar with USA made items. This might be Italian, based on color and appearance. That's is what I ment about the top one being in bad shape. Someone didn' take care of it. Could be reproduction. With the iridescent the way it is, I would say safe to smash??? You maybe right about the bottom one, I'm confident it is hand blown. Interesting about it may being part of another piece. Didn't consider that. More research to be done. Scored big at Chamblee Antique Row. One of the thrift shops was about all glass. They have prices on a tag with a date but the price drops 10% per month. Most had been sitting on the shelf for a year, glass really not a hot item here. Well that place was loaded with a bunch(1000's) of pieces of glass. Bright colored vases for $2 to $5. Loaded up. Guessing the collectors had already picked thru the valuable ones since the place is a glass landmark. Most of them from an artist's guild. Can't remember name.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 20, 2018 23:43:50 GMT -5
jamesp how about doing a video of how you hammer break plates, vases and other such items, as in chickens? Want to see how you make the great shapes..................................MrP They about all break differently Michael. Some in long wedges, some jagged, etc. Some are full of stress and blow apart a bit. You have to get a feel for each one. I have to have my mind clear with no interruptions. The solid glass is like obsidian and is trickier.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jan 21, 2018 0:08:26 GMT -5
Bohemia (/boʊˈhiːmiə/ boh-HEE-mee-ə;[1] Czech: Čechy;[2] German: About this sound Böhmen (help·info); Polish: Czechy; French: Bohême; Latin: Bohemia; Italian: Boemia) is the westernmost and largest historical region of the Czech lands in the present-day Czech Republic. In a broader meaning, Bohemia sometimes refers to the entire Czech territory, including Moravia and Czech Silesia,[3] especially in a historical context, such as the Lands of the Bohemian Crown ruled by Bohemian kings.
Bohemia was a duchy of Great Moravia, later an independent principality, a kingdom in the Holy Roman Empire, and subsequently a part of the Habsburg Monarchy and the Austrian Empire.[4] After World War I and the establishment of an independent Czechoslovak state, Bohemia became a part of Czechoslovakia. Between 1938 and 1945, border regions with sizeable German-speaking minorities of all three Czech lands were joined to Nazi Germany as the Sudetenland.[5]
They were actually from Bohemia-hard getting family history, as they did not keep records. I would love to know more about them, but everyone is now long gone. I do know they travleld into Hungary and then eventually into England, then from there they came to Mn. (why I have no idea) She stood 4ft nothing, was quit a hoot and a a little scary at times (my mom said they were not actual gypsies, but witches)
MsAli - We share Bohemian/Polish ancestry. My mom's side was Bohemian and my dad's, Polish. No crystal ball that I know of in my family, but I do know we had some gypsies running around wreaking havoc. I have some Bohemian crystal from my mom and also Polish stoneware she collected.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 21, 2018 6:55:48 GMT -5
Comparing glass quality of glass artist's junk pile and a discount store. 40 pounds of new glass for $140 at Home Goods discount store. Colors OK. A quick bag of 10 pounds of glass from the local artist's junk pile for free. His specialty is pendant lamp shades. These are sawn off blown ends of large hand blown pendant shades. Stack is littered with all shapes and colors of shade cut-offs. Thick glass and requires a lot of grinding in coarse grit to reduce thickness. Heavily laminated. His pile is much more diverse in color. A real treasure trove and maybe 8 or 10 full pallets with a big thanks for hauling it off.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 21, 2018 7:28:42 GMT -5
MsAliI called the big thrift glass shop I scored so well at yesterday and talked to the shop owner after I left yesterday. Asked him about collectors coming in. He said they were regular and keep a close eye on his merchandise and even know his purchasing schedule to get first chance at new arrivals. That being said, I will be hammering what ever I get from his shop. A lot of it is Polish glass. And Atlanta Art Guild student made glass. The store next to it was a vast collection of glass pieces in locked glass cabinets. All costly, tagged with maker and date. Serious collection. It was an learning experience to see the difference of thrift store pieces and the collector's pieces. I do have a question about the base design of the unknown red piece. The round divot on the bottom was a common base design on the glass I was finding yesterday in the glass thrift store. Said divot has been ground. I took a better photo for you to look at if you don't mind describing the reason. Look familiar ?
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Post by jamesp on Jan 21, 2018 8:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by fernwood on Jan 21, 2018 9:21:12 GMT -5
That yellow vase could be tricky. Doubt it would delaminate, but will be challenging.
When in HS, I used broken bottles to make my own glazes for pottery pieces. I ground the glass to powder, then mixed with a "liquid composition" my teacher provided. Instant glaze. During the firing process, the red glass glaze went from clear to black, to finally red. We had to play around with the thickness of applied glaze, kiln temperature and firing times. I really liked the pieces with the mottled glaze finish, which contained all three colors. We were able to get some to be all red, or red and black. Red was very unique. I was able to get perfect glaze using green, blue and amber glass.
This was the 1970's, so most of the glazes we had, were actually made from crushed glass and plants/minerals. I was able to experiment a lot with mixing chips of glass into the standard clear glaze. The effect reminded me of a waterfall or downpour of rain with some drops present. The larger chips, often gave the pieces a 3D effect, as they did not completely melt. Used this process for pottery, clay beads and pendants.
We did run out of purchased clay for class, so I dug and brought in some of the red, orange, yellow and gray clay from our land. That worked very well, due to purity.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 21, 2018 9:50:08 GMT -5
That yellow vase could be tricky. Doubt it would delaminate, but will be challenging. When in HS, I used broken bottles to make my own glazes for pottery pieces. I ground the glass to powder, then mixed with a "liquid composition" my teacher provided. Instant glaze. During the firing process, the red glass glaze went from clear to black, to finally red. We had to play around with the thickness of applied glaze, kiln temperature and firing times. I really liked the pieces with the mottled glaze finish, which contained all three colors. We were able to get some to be all red, or red and black. Red was very unique. I was able to get perfect glaze using green, blue and amber glass. This was the 1970's, so most of the glazes we had, were actually made from crushed glass and plants/minerals. I was able to experiment a lot with mixing chips of glass into the standard clear glaze. The effect reminded me of a waterfall or downpour of rain with some drops present. The larger chips, often gave the pieces a 3D effect, as they did not completely melt. Used this process for pottery, clay beads and pendants. We did run out of purchased clay for class, so I dug and brought in some of the red, orange, yellow and gray clay from our land. That worked very well, due to purity. What did you use to grind the glass fernwood ? Noticed how red turns dark brown melted in my case and changes back to red at relatively low temperatures. In early times red glass was expensive since the only coloring agent known was a gold compound. Rarely used anymore except in the finest red glass and military optical filters. Modern red glass not as true red as the old. You had that many different clays ? Funny how pottery was popular in locations that have fine clay. Glazes can have enchanting textures. Old American pottery jugs with their glazes are eye catching. There is a lady here in Atlanta that wholesales Vietnamese pottery because they are some of the most skilled glazers known. Guessing they fire their giant kilns with the mass supply of jungle wood.
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Post by fernwood on Jan 21, 2018 10:27:41 GMT -5
The piece on the far right from the $3.00 dollar store, could use more investigating. It looks like either art glass or something much older. Would be a shame to break that up for tumbles. Ok, now you are making me think real hard. The 1970's glass grinding for glaze was done by my Uncle and me. As I remember, we first took the broken pieces, placed them between metal sheets, and hit them with a hammer or mini mall. Frequently sifted through a screen to remove the powder. Repeated process over and over. Wish I still had the photos of the clays. The red/orange/yellow, was similar to what is famous in the Dakota's. An amazing find in Wisconsin. Glacial deposit. I have always been a science/geology buff, so started using my knowledge and digging. The house I grew up in was located about 700' from a chain of lakes. Noticed that the land by the house was mostly clay mixed with other dirt. The land by the lake was sand. Bingo! There must be pure clay located between the house and the lake. There as a ridge in the area. That is where I initially found the Dakota type clay. In early 2000, I was having holes dug for horse pasture fencing. About 100 of 500 holes were lined with the same yellow/red/orange clay. Very pure. My Grandfather knew the locations of the reddish brown and gray clays, as he had used them in the past to make maple syrup arches, the walls of a community ice house and a storm shelter. All were very pure. After forming the bricks for construction, he fired them a little (basically threw them in a bon fire), let them cool and sealed them with something. Amazing process in the early to mid 1900's. I also remembered that my teacher told me to be sure to wear a mask and gloves when crushing the red beer bottles, as they contained things I should not breath in. This thread has brought so many fond memories for me. Thank you jamesp.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 21, 2018 11:01:18 GMT -5
The piece on the far right from the $3.00 dollar store, could use more investigating. It looks like either art glass or something much older. Would be a shame to break that up for tumbles. Ok, now you are making me think real hard. The 1970's glass grinding for glaze was done by my Uncle and me. As I remember, we first took the broken pieces, placed them between metal sheets, and hit them with a hammer or mini mall. Frequently sifted through a screen to remove the powder. Repeated process over and over. Wish I still had the photos of the clays. The red/orange/yellow, was similar to what is famous in the Dakota's. An amazing find in Wisconsin. Glacial deposit. I have always been a science/geology buff, so started using my knowledge and digging. The house I grew up in was located about 700' from a chain of lakes. Noticed that the land by the house was mostly clay mixed with other dirt. The land by the lake was sand. Bingo! There must be pure clay located between the house and the lake. There as a ridge in the area. That is where I initially found the Dakota type clay. In early 2000, I was having holes dug for horse pasture fencing. About 100 of 500 holes were lined with the same yellow/red/orange clay. Very pure. My Grandfather knew the locations of the reddish brown and gray clays, as he had used them in the past to make maple syrup arches, the walls of a community ice house and a storm shelter. All were very pure. After forming the bricks for construction, he fired them a little (basically threw them in a bon fire), let them cool and sealed them with something. Amazing process in the early to mid 1900's. I also remembered that my teacher told me to be sure to wear a mask and gloves when crushing the red beer bottles, as they contained things I should not breath in. This thread has brought so many fond memories for me. Thank you jamesp. I will set that vase aside. any that get flagged are set aside. I do know this store gets ravaged by collectors and the pieces I bought have been bypassed for months. They drop 10% per month. Most had been there 8 months or longer.... I used a rugged tumbler barrel 1/3 full of steel balls. Put the glass to be ground in say 3 or 4 pounds and let it roll(dry). Sealed and dust free. This would be ball milling and let me say that in a few hours time those steel balls slap destroy every piece of glass to a fine powder. No screen needed ! My business for 27 years was selling potted aquatic plants and clay was the soil of choice. A perfect sand/clay mix was the perfect medium. Usually half way down a ridge as many ridges around here are existent because of slow-to- erode clay. This 30 acres has been soil mapped by myself for use in potting mixes. Several types of clay on this 30 acres and some like yours pure. The biggest component is eroded felspar, so kaolin but often iron stained. Pure kaolin too, dead white in color. I find a lot of Native man's pottery shards, most if it incised w/interesting patterns. It held up for thousands of years and is obviously fired judging layers. The use of clay is way overlooked especially as building materials. many a home made brick on old farms in these parts. I never witnessed the manufacture. But is a piece of American history. You were fortunate to see this. I was curious to the use of plants in glazes. Can you elaborate ? (This was the 1970's, so most of the glazes we had, were actually made from crushed glass and plants/minerals.)
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Post by MsAli on Jan 21, 2018 13:01:17 GMT -5
Bohemia (/boʊˈhiːmiə/ boh-HEE-mee-ə;[1] Czech: Čechy;[2] German: About this sound Böhmen (help·info); Polish: Czechy; French: Bohême; Latin: Bohemia; Italian: Boemia) is the westernmost and largest historical region of the Czech lands in the present-day Czech Republic. In a broader meaning, Bohemia sometimes refers to the entire Czech territory, including Moravia and Czech Silesia,[3] especially in a historical context, such as the Lands of the Bohemian Crown ruled by Bohemian kings.
Bohemia was a duchy of Great Moravia, later an independent principality, a kingdom in the Holy Roman Empire, and subsequently a part of the Habsburg Monarchy and the Austrian Empire.[4] After World War I and the establishment of an independent Czechoslovak state, Bohemia became a part of Czechoslovakia. Between 1938 and 1945, border regions with sizeable German-speaking minorities of all three Czech lands were joined to Nazi Germany as the Sudetenland.[5]
They were actually from Bohemia-hard getting family history, as they did not keep records. I would love to know more about them, but everyone is now long gone. I do know they travleld into Hungary and then eventually into England, then from there they came to Mn. (why I have no idea) She stood 4ft nothing, was quit a hoot and a a little scary at times (my mom said they were not actual gypsies, but witches)
MsAli - We share Bohemian/Polish ancestry. My mom's side was Bohemian and my dad's, Polish. No crystal ball that I know of in my family, but I do know we had some gypsies running around wreaking havoc. I have some Bohemian crystal from my mom and also Polish stoneware she collected. That is awesome. Most people don't even know Bohemia ever existed. Very hard to do a family trace on them. Most of what we have traced back starts in England. Real colorful bunch, explains my oddness I guess. You're lucky to have some family pieces. A Lot of "fortune" telling stuff got lost or was dumped. The only items left are that ball and a very old set of tarot cards that will come to me as well. One day, I'll get them.
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Post by MsAli on Jan 21, 2018 13:28:41 GMT -5
jamesp it is hard for me to describe but this site might answers some questions. www.thespruce.com/faq-about-blown-glass-149094It is no doubt been hand blown. Most mold will be flat on the bottom. Even some highly collectable Fentons are actually molds. The shop you visited more than likely was picked thru by pickers and not collectors. They snatch up the pieces they can flip. Those left behind just don't have the resale value. Sometimes they miss things. The piece on the far right is an example of that. I would love to have a closer look at that. Set that white one with the colors aside as well. The red glass, is a toss up. It looks old and for now set it aside.
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